mccabe: no. i do this specifically because people should understand, the fbi doesn't just open cases because we think, that is neat. we open cases when -- [inaudible] we think it is required to do so. that threshold level of information. we so clearly had the predication to initiate these investigations. not doing so would have been turning a blind eye to our responsibilities. there isn't a mystery behind it. more facts or secret information or something we got from malta -- carl: after it was reported by the press, it was justified. mr. mccabe: that is a good point. a2-year special counsel investigation resulted in, what, three dozen indictments, numerous russians, the report that lays out in detail what the russians did, so the results of the special counsel's effort, no matter how anti-climactic one might think they are, validated our concerns. carl: there is a good deal there. forget about the obstruction part of it, but the actual contacts between russians and aspects of the trump campaign.

days later, rosenstein calls andrew mccabe overcome andrew mccabe has become the acting fbi directorcomey was fired. i want to read a brief passage, they were talking about something relatively innocuous and a report as follows b& rosenstein gaze shifted toward the closed door to the room somewhere off in the distance. his eyes looked glassy, his voice wavering, his eyes tear up and he said he couldn't believe whato make it look as if it was his idea to fire true. the president had asked him to write the memo only after announcing he was firing comey. rosenstein was obviously struggling to keep his emotions in check. mccabe was shocked, Ãb they barely knew each other. he wanted to be compassionate. are you okay mccabe asked? no. are you getting any sleep? no. is your family okay? rosenstein said there were news trucks parked outside his house. his wife and family were upset. there was a pause. then rosenstein said, there is no one here i can talk to about this. there is no one i can trust. rosenstein seemed to be struggling to hold his emotions in check. after a pause he asked if mcc

after a pause he asked mccabe if he thought he should appoint special counsel and mccabe said yes. he said he always considered jim comey a friend and mentor someone he looked up to. the one person i wish i could talk to is jim comey. good luck with that, mccabe thought. this is the guy he just fired. there is a sequence of events where rosenstein offers to wear a wire and secretly record the president invoked the 25th amendment, all of which is true. but by the end of the mueller investigation he is a new person. he has survived. there were two occasions where the justice department was drafting press releases saying trump was going to fire him. he goes to the white house and needs along with trump and comes out his job is intact. as soon as the mueller report is delivered he and the new attorney general, bill bar rush to state that trump has been exonerated that there is no crime there is no obstruction of justice case to be made. this is not what the mueller report said. mueller wrote a letter to that effect as you probably know. the mueller report was far more damning than anyt

this is sister ellen mccabe. thank you for joining us. tell me the full name, you are one of the sisters of st. francis of penance and -- >> christian charity. >> penance and christian charity. we will talk about the vast universe of san franciscans. tell us where you are located and what you do. >> i am in red city california, that is the province offices for st. francis province. our congregation is an international congregation. we have preferences in 10 countries around the world. each province has missions in other countries. >> 10 countries around the world with provinces and sisters who populate them. >> right. we used to have in the heyday of the congregation, 5000 sisters worldwide. now, we are about 1200. >> that is pretty good numbers for the declining population of catholic religions. >> the most we have are in in indonesia, tanzania, and brazil. the european provinces and american provinces are slowly aging >> we understand that, it is a demographic fact they are aging out. you say there were 5000 in the heyday, when was your

he asked if mccabe thought he should appoint a special counsel. mccabe said yes. it would be a good idea. he always considered jim comey is a friend and mentor. someone he looked up to. the one person i wish i could talk to is jim comey. good luck with that. this is a guy he just fired. there is a sequence of events where rosenstein offers to wear a wire to secretly record the president. by the end of the molar investigation, he is the new person. he has survived. two occasions where the department said that he had fired him. he goes to the white house. he comes out. as soon as the molar report is delivered, he and the new attorney general rushed to his aid. trump has been exonerated. there is no crime. there is no obstruction of justice case to be made. this is not what the molar report said. the molar report was far more damning than anything that barring rosenstein was willing to say. this is a classic example of well-intentioned bureaucrats who get into the trump orbit. drawn into this web of falsehood of irresponsible, if not illegal behavior. and then asked

mccabe, andrew mccabe, spoke out today you can kind of guess what he said. watch. >> why did the attorney general feel it is necessary to personally interact with those folks and make this introduction to prosecutor durham, and what is taking place in those m,conversations? what sort of assistance or objectives is he actually advocating for here? laura: we know they are there to hear the deposition of the man we discussed in "the angle," joseph mifsud, who sparked the russia hoax early on. that is why they were there, and they don't want them to find out any more about mifsud or what he did or how he was complicit. they don't want that coming out. >> it's rich, coming from mccabe, we just got a memo from the fbi, laura, documenting thae talking about wearing a wire on the president of the united states in the oval office, and talking about the 25th amendment to overthrow him, and to hear him complain about the attorney general beginning to ask questions about the genesis of that illicit investigation, is just rich. even as he faces potential criminal investi

that's true of both rod rosenstein and andrew mccabe. but to answer your initial question, but the people he surrounded himself with, were sycophants. they were all on the same page. not that they are qualified to do what they are doing but people who believed in james comey and were willing to do anything, even undermined the rule of law and subvert the democratic process which is what they did. >> so you go forward in this process and donald trump is struggling to get the whole idea of collusion with russia behind him. must be bedeviling to have this come forward. so tell the story of the reemergence of bob mueller from my understanding after having conversations with people who would know, some would say he was in the hunt to be donald trump's director fbi after comey is let go. >> i wrote a column recently that poses the question did mueller lie to congress when he denied he was interviewing to be fbi director again with president trump in the oval office the very day before he become special counsel. documents show that rosenstein a

more portly i don't think andrew mccabe even knows what the inspector general knows. he hasn't seen all the evidence. he hasn't talked all the witnesses. i think under mccain probably has a very narrow self-serving view of the world in the way tht the inspector general does not. he has more information at his disposal. >> harris: inspector general horowitz is giving an update on the forthcoming pfizer report. do we need a fisa court anymore? do we need a secret court? our guest bill mcgurn said i'm not sure if we need the court anymore. >> my take on it i think you need some sort of independent check, i don't think any of us would want a system in which any fbi agent, any doj employee could simply obtain wiretaps and conduct surveillance. you need some sort of independent party, whether it's a judge, someone else, to look at it and make sure the evidence is there. can it be reformed? absolutely. are there problems with the fisa system as it currently exists? absolutely. >> harris: should it be secret? >> i think it should be secret to the extent that it needs to be se

when you see brennan and mccabe really ramping up the i'm innocent phase of their life when they go onlk about this is not really happening, but the best one is when mr. comey, the one who has trouble with the truth, who has a superman syndrome is out there saying, oh, i wish that this was just go away. then he says all i want to do is get rid of this president. this report going to show what happened in that time frame, and i believe from what we're seeing from their reaction, it's not going to be very good. my only question is will the democrats have an integrity bone in their body to call mr. horowitz to our committee to have to answer about this report. maria: yeah. last weekend on this program we had george papadopoulos on the program, and we've been following this, obviously, for the last couple of years, and we put together this timeline of what looks like entrapment given the fact that he got all of this outreach from these internationalist, quote-unquote, ambassadors and people who invited him to conferences like steven hall per or alexander downer or from australia or joseph

the fbi, james comey and andrew mccabe didn't care. you know, the fisa warrant application has at the top verified information -- >> host: right. >> guest: yet they relied on the dossier which was unverified. now, that's -- last time i checked, lying to a judge is a fraud on the court. and as i explain in "witch hunt," it's also five other different potential felonies. when the inspector general report comes out, i expect it to be a damning indictment of the actions of these people especially with the deception to the fisa court. >> host: i worked for president george w. bush, i was involved with some of the meetings around selecting bob mueller to be the fbi director for the president. i went to bob mueller's swearing in on the, in the rose garden. i brought my mother -- >> guest: really? >> host: and one of her wonderful friends from wichita, mary lou tinker. i remember the meetings, i'm not saying anything inappropriate here, but i remember when they were looking for candidates, the one thing you heard over and over again about bob

goes out and hires andrew mccabe if you have indicted who was fired for a lot. lying under oath 3 times about leaking to the press it's a quid pro quo what do you think mccabe was leaking to i'm going to get c.n.n. because they hired him as a big you giving us everson for mention that turned out to be false anyway i wonder would make cable look like when he's on set in an orange jumpsuit maybe i'm getting ahead of my skis here ok tom i mean it's can't continue with this here no no no go arrest him while he's on so that would i wish him all these odds that i would be the 1st time and if i if i got wind of the 1st time i'd watch the end live for years ok send me a tweet ok if you hear anything ok let me go to tom here i mean state t.v. this is what joe said but tom in many ways in the same vein that we're talking about it's kind of like deep state t.v. to me because what they what they want to do is they want to form the narrative and you know outlets like c.n.n. and m.s.n. b.c. are more than happy to do their work for them they've been doing it a long time anyway

you begin by saying, i, andrew mccabe -- of course you wouldn't say andrew mccabe your you would say your own names. don't get hung up on that. do solemnly swear that i will support and defend thetu constitution of the united states against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and that i will bear true faith and allegiance to the same. that is the phrase that gets me the most. everybody thinks about the first clause, the i will defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, which is strike an important and powerful, but it's the second clause that really defines what you do as an fbi agent. i will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, to the same constitution, that binds us all to the principles of freedom,ri fairness, and justic. that is the source, that's what you become loyal to when you make that both. notably -- oath. notably, there is no, president in that oath. there is no a little cool party in that oath. there is no race, no gender, no debt shoe orientation. it is simply the pledge of loyalty to the document that binds us together as americans. it is

of course, mccabe was fired for lyingcc about leaks. here you've got peter strzok.hat's actually in my book and the other leaks. of course, the most prolific leaker and damaging leaker of all was james comey. who stole government documents and leaked them to the media in order to damage trump and trigger the appointment of his longtime friend, ally, and mentor, bob mueller, who was actually appointed, not based on facts, evidence in law, but in an act of vengeance, as i recount in my book, by rodn rosenstein. when rosenstein did it that very day, he was confronted about his abuse of power in violation regulations. he cowers behind his desk and blubbers, am i gonna get fired? which is consciousness of guilt. he knew what he had done was a violation of regulation. >> jason: i want to thank you both for your expertise. it's unbelievable. i really dovivi appreciate it. let's keep in mind, the inspector general has already made referrals toin the departmt of justice on the director, thea deputy director, and the deputy assistant director, and in the deputy assistant dire

mccabe seemed completely serious as he said this. dare the justice department not accept my word at face value despite the fact i was fired for lying? you would have to be lacking a certain, what's the term here, self awareness, to make a case like that on television but mccabe was happy to carry it out. by the way, cnn seemed to agree with him wholeheartedly. certainly a common view in washington. the story of this morning's "washington post" claimed unnamed federal bureaucrats grousing that they may be subject to the same oversight the rest of us could expect if we ever stepped out of line. here's a direct quote. current and former intelligence and law enforcement officials expressed frustration and alarm monday that the head of the justice department was taking such a direct role in re-examining what they view as conspiracy theories and baseless allegations of misconduct. got that? the allegations against me are "baseless." i am claiming from behind the cloak of anonymity. how dare you how investigate this? did you hear what i sai

mccabe, clapper, brennan, comey? >> all of the above. were committed, they were authorized and agents were instructed to commit certain acts. here everything was being done by senior leadership of the fbi. the agent on the streets were exclude from doing the operations they are trained to do. trish: it was a tight-knit group. the former national security advisor michael flynn is accusing agents of lying about his interview with them. it's quite an accusation. what are your thoughts on this? >> again, we are talking the same people doing that investigation. flynn refers to the 302. the 302 is not a form you fill out. it's a blank sheet of paper agents write the report on. the question is do the notes the agents took match what was said and reported in the interview? this is a significant interview. was it recorded? if we are talking of somebody who is just a witness, they don't record. but if we are talking to somebody who we are looking at as a possible subject, we record that to insure the accuracy. trish: george papadopoulos was on the

mccabe: thank you for inviting me to speak to you here tonight. it is truly an honor to a address a group as engaged and quite frankly has large and as terrifying as hello you are now, but to do it on the hunddt

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at one point he says to andrew mccabe there is nobody i can talk, to there's no one i can trust. all alone here, can i talk to jim comb snaechl i really admire the guy. he just wrote a memo that was being used to fire him. and people were staggered by that. so then he starts getting into this stuff, well, i could wear a wire in the white house. i could get evidence against the president obstructing. then he brought up this twenty-fifth amendment. he must have been talking about it because he said he had sessions and kelly already lined up to support it. the fbi people again, again trump says the fbi was out to get him. they went back to the fbi headquarters and said whoa here, wait a minute, this is completely out of bounds. so they went back to a second meeting. rosenstein again talks about wearing the wire. at this point he didn't say anything more about the twenty-fifth amendment. but i think the important thing here is even within the trump justice department, his actions were viewed with such alarm, these extreme measures were being banded. >> having gone as deep as you did,

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mccabe noted.person made allegations against the president of the united states, they appear to be a criminal conspiracy, and that's something i hope mr. schiff, to be blunt with you, is a newcomer to caring about whistle-blower issues. i hope he and his staff actually take these things seriously and run it to ground with a level of detail senator feinstein did with poor cher investigations or the church committee did with allegations about government spying 40 years ago. >> you have been excellent. patrick eddington, thank you for shedding light on what you and your wife went through. and 30 years married? what you said? >> it will be 29 this october, yes. assume she didn't kill me between now and then. >> happy anniversary and thank you for coming on. >> thank you. >>> just in to us here at cnn, rudy giuliani has lawyered up hiring a former watergate prosecutor as his attorney. stand by. behr presents: tough as walls. that's some great paint. ♪ that's some great paint. behr ultra, ranked #1 in cu

and that is true both rod rosenstein and andrew mccabe. but to made it through your initial question, people of comey surrounded himself with, where is i see, sick of fans, they are all the same page. not their terribly qualified to do with they are doing, but these are people who believe in james comey and we're wheeling to do anything even undermine the rule of law and subvert the democratic process which is what they did. you go forward in this process and donald trump is struggling to get this whole idea of collusion with russia behind h him. must be to have to keep this from being forwarded all of the stories every thing else, tell the story of the reemergence of bob muller for my understanding of having conversations with people who would know, was actually maybe some would see in the hunt, to be donald trump his director of the fbi after james comey is let go. >> i wrote a column recently because the question did muller live to congress when he denied that he was interviewing to be fbi director again with president trump in the oval

information act request for documents in the investigation into mccabe.till investigation how this is related to all the other breaking deep state news this week. any new you bomb the michael flynn case lays out more about the deep state abuse of power against the former national security advisor. as flynn attorney sidney powell alleges, the fbi's lisa page and peter strzok actually manipulated the original flynn 302 to make it appear more damning as it related to flynn's answers with the russian ambassador. now powell also references a purported conversation between former dni director james clapper and "the washington post" reporter where clapper instructs him to take the kill shot on flynn, a claim that clapper denies. joining me now with reaction to these big developments is the attorney for michael flynn, sidney powell. sidney, thank you so much. i want to go back to that point which is made here. in your filing, to say that somebody is taking a "kill shot" is dramatic. in the filing it says the defense has requested the phone records of james clappe

thank you very much, andrew mccabe and jim baker, appreciate it. important night to have you. >> that he cannk, chris. >> those are the facts we see them from mr. taylor. what is the argument for the president? you see me making it to these two big shot investigators. we'll see it made to you bay member of congress. how do you see that nothing wrong happened here? how do you see this as not just a question of consequence? what is the best defense? next. (amber jagger) if we don't give students from an underserved background the technology that they need in school, they're not going to be competitive in the workforce that's waiting for them. since verizon innovative learning, students have hardware, connectivity, and quality curriculum. the jobs of tomorrow will involve technology. now students are truly hopeful for what they may achieve. performance comes in lots of flavors. ♪ (dramatic orchestra) there's the amped-up, over-tuned, feeding-frenzy-of sheet-metal-kind. and then there's performance that just leaves you feeling better as a result. that'

deputy cia directors john mclaughlin and michael morel, and former deputy director of the fbi andrew mccabe. a.m., the at 10:00 house homeland security committee hears testimony on global terror threats with fbi director chris wray. at three clock p.m., we joined house rules committee as it considers an impeachment investigation resolution, laying the groundwork for how the inquiry will proceed. sunday, live at noon eastern on in-depth, princeton joinssity professor perry us to talk about african-american history and racial inequality. >> my mother came of age in alabama. youthher lived her through white nationalists society, and it has -- >> open officially white nationalists society? >> yes, and it has reared its head again. book, "ast recent letter to my sons." other books include "may we forever stand." join the conversation with phone calls, tweets, and facebook messages. afterwards,ern on the author of "it shouldn't be this hard to serve your country," recounts his time as the. secretary of veterans affairs in the cup administration. . he is interviewed by -- in the trump administrati

cnn contributor andrew mccabe served at deputy director with the fbi until being fire fld 2018 and is now. pleasure. thank you for coming by. do you think especially given all the testimony that members of congress have heard thus far, do you thinks that this whistle-blower needs to testify? >> doesn't seem that way. right? we are far beyond the whistle-blower's kind of secondhand account of what happened. we have direct witnesses who are able to step in front of the committee say here's exactly what i saw and what i heard, what i meant in the text messages and what was replied to me. it doesn't seem necessary. it's also important to point out that as much as people like to compare it to a federal criminal trial, this is not a federal criminal trial. there's normal rules about being able to confront a witness accusing you don't really apply in this situation. >> adding to that, just given the scene on capitol hill yesterday with republicans storming that deposition in a secure room. does that also give you pause that if this whistle-blower in fact was in a skiff, that that person's id

jon: andrew mccabe did face charges. he did lie to fbi agents, he lied to his boss. >> we have flown that for a year and there are no criminal charges. it's unclear what the criminal investigation by durham is about. jon: now we know at least a judge has said that the democrats who are investigating, want to impeach president trump should be allowed to see the unredacted portions of the muller report. it's likely that decision will be appealed. but if the intel commit eat gets that report unredacted. what are they going to see? >> there are about a thousand redactions in the mueller report. one surprising thing people might not appreciate is all of the redactions aren't necessarily going to damage president trump. one of the reactions i was able to unredact through reporting, it concerns an allegation that the russians intercepted a phone sex conversation of president clinton when he was in office potentially making him vulnerable to blackmail. there may be surprises in there. jon: tom mcclintock says the ruling on the m

andrew mccabe, jim baker, fbi vets are here.ndrew, what do you see in that statement that ends the analysis for you? >> well, chris, as you mentioned, they don't need proof of a quid pro quo. we are not trying to show the elements of an offense here. it's not a legal case, but the hurdle that the democrats have to get over here is presenting a convincing case, a convincing argument about the malfeasance and the bad acts that the president and his supporters were engaged in. taylor helps them enormously. his statement is incredibly detailed. it's got dates. it's got phone calmls. >> what else do they need? >> it's hard to imagine what else they need. every witness they have had now has kind of outdone the witness before, but taylor takes them to a new level, and he obliterates a lot of the defenses we have seen coming from the republicans about, well, there was no real quid pro quo and that sort of thing. taylor eviscerates those defenses. >> would you ask for an indictment on these facts if they were delivered to you? >> confide

he can't to mccabe or sessions or underlings in the justice department. and after co left everyone kind of wish iey,i flabbergasted. he then proposes wiring himself to secretly record trump, invoking the 25tendment-- >> he has denied that, that hee atam.ny of thh >> he said that the wiring thing was joke. it's not aan joke, as youee in context. and he denied the 25th amendment thing, but there are witnesses to that. i'm amply persuadedhat that did happen. i think he was somewhat-- he was unnerved by what was happening to him and the position he was thrust into. and you then see he manageto keep his job, what he had to promise trump to do, that i don't really know. werdon't really know. his defenders havld me that he was solely focused on helping mueller over the finish ine. but what compromisees were made? why didn't mueller rach a conclusion on obstruction? why didn't mueller include thess evbout rosenstein in his report? why in the end did rosenstein g alth barr's characterization of the report, which was a btant mischaracterization,his mueller elf said

>> i don't trust andrew mccabe.on't trust james comey, peter strzok, i don't trust john brennan. >> joining me now is one of those men he doesn't trust, andrew mccabe, the former deputy director of the fbi. thank you so much for joining us. >> sure. >> your reaction to what you just heard? >> i think it's important to put those comments in context of the revelation that "the wall street journal" made about the senator last friday, and that was, of course, that he, following a conversation with ambassador sondland, was so concerned about the president's linking the issues of military defense to ukraine, with -- and withholding that support with starting an investigation of his political rival, that the senator called the president to have a conversation about that. i tell you what, i share his concern about that. it's an incredibly horrible idea and one at the center of the impeachment inquiry. i think his comments yesterday are a pretty obvious attempt to work himself back into the president's good favor. it's just

. >> charging acting fbi director andrew mccabe.y november 15th, he will order the release of fbi records, authorizing the start of the russia investigation after taking over for fired fbi director james comey, fired for lack of candor. a lot of pieces in this. former dallas police officer found guilty of murder. a jury will hear new testimony to determine a sentence. amber guyger shot and killed john last year, she claimed she mistake his apartment for her own. his emotional of this elevated the verdict. the family describing the impact of his death. >> my life is not been the same. it has been a roller coaster. i can't sleep. i cannot eat. the most terrible time for me. i want my brother back. >> she faces 19 years in prison. and illegal immigrant deported 7 times pleads guilty to reentering the us for an eighth time. josÉ lopez appearing in court after being arrested in tennessee. he has five dui convictions with another pending. he faces two years in prison when sentenced next year. virginia police officer suspended for turning

here with me now is one of the people who could be a target of this, andrew mccabe. he was deputy director of the fbi during this time. he then ran the fbi after james comey was fired by president trump. thanks for taking the time this morning. >> sure. >> we don't yet know the bounds of this, and it's cnn's reporting that it could be that they've discovered evidence of something criminal central to the investigation or possibly tangential to it, for instance, false statements connected to it or possibly leaking information, so let's stipulate that. but as you know, john durham, who's leading the investigation, respected by democrats and republicans. he led the cia interrogations investigation. >> he did. >> is it your concern that that investigation is now targeting you and your work? >> no. here's my concern, jim. so, if the investigation is conducted with integrity, with impartiality, if there aren't preconceived theories or judgments brought into it, then i have no concerns about it whatsoever, whether it's an internal investigation or conducted as a criminal pro

andy mccabe sent e spentspent a time at the doj.ent to publicly state their -- these foreign companies want an adversary should investigate my legal opponent? >> what a departure this is from everything we've experienced to this date. the president is primarily responsible for protecting american citizens. so to hear the president suggesting, exhorting a foreign nation, one that doesn't have the rule of law and democratic protections to people under investigations pushing that country to investigate a u.s. citizen is a remarkable departure than anything wur used to. >> on the legal front which jim asked that question, let me read you what we just heard. a reporter asked, mr. president, what exactly did you hope zelensky would be able to do about the bidens? represent peting the jeff mason question he wouldn't answer yesterday. quote from the president, i thought, hoped if they were honest about it they would start an investigation into the bide pents there's that on ukraine. there's what i just read about this ask of china now. the

the fbi and james comey and andrew mccabe didn't care, the fisa warrant application has verified information yet they relied on the dossier which was unverified, now, you know, that's -- last time i checked lying to a check is a fraud on the court and as i explain in witch hunt, it's also 5 other different potential felonies, when the inspector general report comes out i expected to be a damming indictment of the actions of these people especially with the deception it was fisa court. >> you can watch this entire program with gregg jarrett by visiting our website, booktv.org and after words tab at the top of the page. >> here is a look at some of the events book tv will be covering this week, on monday we will be at la miria book in jackson, mississippi, final year of the civil war, then on tuesday look for us at the center in new york city, eric cay washington's talk on james williams, chief porter of the grand central terminal in early 1900's who was face of african-american workforce and champion upward mobility on wednesday in new heaven, connecticut, yale lecturer barber will report on

and he admits in statements he has give to the fbi earlier that he and mccabe had a number of meetings flynn on this pretext. and there was a high-level group meeting of the fbi to make strategic decisions about how to interview him, to keep him relaxed and unaware of the regular full meaning of the interview he was about to participate in. mccabe makes the call to him to encourage him to have it uncounseled and proceed to talk to the agents as if nothing was going on at all. he had no idea he was under criminal investigation when he had the interview. when they came out of it, they knew he didn't lie. that was their firm belief. lou: baker leaking confidential classified information all again designed to undercut general flynn. >> and that's a different baker. the retired colonel baker. lou: at the pentagon. >> james baker at the fbi was in on the premeeting to decide to interview general flynn without warnings of any kind and to keep it all casual. lou: this has gone on and on and on. the american people, i have to believe, are so frustrated with this entire process that i think ther

for his part former deputy director of the fbi andrew mccabe on cnn thought to shift the focus of theondo. >> it there seems to be with the president and attorney general as well underlying lack of trust. if those decision-makers are not convinced that that they are not taking the russian threat from 2020 elections as seriously as they should. >> remember mckay visit guy who himself is under investigation. perhaps is himself a former obama security official and might have thought about disclosing that in the conversation. and finally did nbc hire alex jones? >> this bizarro treasure hunt for dirt on our own intelligence services to try to set up russia's interference is a false flag operation. according to the conspiracy, russia didn't do that, russia didn't intervene. what happened is the obama administration that was setting this all up as a frame job. >> i actually felt bad for the folks over at the other networks last night. the news came late and they didn't have time to fully process it or and marinate in it. at some tinfoil hats might have been on a little too tight. the same p