and andy mccabe is back with me.yn's exclusive reporting is about the efforts to overturn the 2020 election, separate from the mar-a-lago documents that we were talking about a moment ago. but, as she said, this pertains to a broader conspiracy and financial crimes. how significant is this? >> so, i do think it's significant in your description of it as a major escalation is right on in the sense that it means that the justice department is going after the former president's top personal attorney. we can remember in the russian investigation when michael cohen was the target, everybody understood they've just crossed a major line. and this seems to be a major line. you would think that they would only go to giuliani when they have sufficient enough evidence and if they're pretty late into their investigation. >> so, and director mccabe, then, what do you think this means for donald trump in this crucial line of the overturning the 2020 election for the special counsel? >> well, i think it's a really strong indicator

and former fbi deputy director, andrew mccabe.our chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller, former and ypg deputy commissioner of intelligence and counterterrorism. and cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney, joey jackson. thank you all for being here. john miller, first to you. what stands out to you about the charges announced today? you heard tyree nichols's family, the attorney there, pointing to that kidnapping charge. >> well, the kidnapping charges certainly unusual because officers have enormous power and that comes with responsibility. but among the powers are to use force, to take people into custody, to handcuff them. when you're charged with kidnapping, when you're an on-duty police officer, someone in that process, the prosecution, determines you're not acting under the color of law anymore, if you've taken someone into custody and your with holding them and or beating them at the same time, not acting as a police officer, which is extraordinarily unusual. and if you look at this against si

andrew mccabe, first to you.sed on the severity of the charges alone, the tone from david rausch, which chief ramsey was speaking about earlier, what do you expect to see on the video tomorrow night, given how they're talking about it in a way what must be on that video? >> well, john, i think the first thing that jumps out to me is the consistency of the charges against all five defendants are exactly the same. so that alone tells me that you're going see a high degree of participation, of kind of guilty action by all five people involved. that's not the typical thing that we see in these videos. there is usually one primary actor, one or two. and there are some who participate partially, and others who stand back and watch. here you have everybody charged the same way, suggests that they're all engaged in some very violent behavior. and secondly, it's just the profound reaction that we're hearing from some very experienced career law enforcement people. the police chief, the tbi chief. they're clearly affected

as andy mccabe said earlier, just going through his resume.g i think it's worth talking about, we have seen documents mishandled with both donald trump and now joe biden. but i went back to talk to sources who have worked with past presidents, vice presidents, also sources who are familiar with the national archives. this doesn't happen a lot. it is true that from time to time high-level officials will find a folder in the back of a closet. there are incidents where a widow of a high-level official found something. there's a story where a university was given papers for a high-level official and then going through them years later, they found documents. but if you go back, bush 41, this did not happen. bush 43, no. clinton, no. obama, no. dick cheney, no. so there are honest mistakes. there are situations like what happened with donald trump where it seems that he wanted to hold on to some things. he thought everything was his. but this is not usual for presidents and vice presidents. >> andy mccabe, if i could get you to respond to what you j

steve mccabe , thank interesting. steve mccabe, thank you very much indeed.constituents, that's what they were elected to do. and that's a very good thing. now, thought on this. the now, quick thought on this. the what moment, you may what the farage moment, you may have seen this story, but a trans in scotland has been convicted of raping two women. no, i'm not making any of this up. i'm really not any of this up. i'm really not any of this up and ahead of sentencing is being held in a female prison and. i make this point particularly because it is in scotland, where, of course nicola sturgeon's snp have changed the law. you know , 16 changed the law. you know, 16 years old without medical consultation, you can just, you know, define yourself to be a woman, to be a man. and there are many of us who think this may well pose a threat to females in all sorts of circumstances . this females in all sorts of circumstances. this is an appalling case . it's ridiculous. appalling case. it's ridiculous. i you want to laugh, but you can't because it's awful. well, we'v

steve mccabe , thank interesting. steve mccabe, thank you very much indeed.constituents, that's what they were elected to do. and that's a very good thing. now, thought on this. the now, quick thought on this. the what moment, you may what the farage moment, you may have seen this story, but a trans in scotland has been convicted of raping two women. no, i'm not making any of this up. i'm really not any of this up. i'm really not any of this up and ahead of sentencing is being held in a female prison and. i make this point particularly because it is in scotland, where, of course nicola sturgeon's snp have changed the law. you know , 16 changed the law. you know, 16 years old without medical consultation, you can just, you know, define yourself to be a woman, to be a man. and there are many of us who think this may well pose a threat to females in all sorts of circumstances . this females in all sorts of circumstances. this is an appalling case . it's ridiculous. appalling case. it's ridiculous. i you want to laugh, but you can't because it's awful. well, we'v

back with me now andrew mccabe and john dean.is case, they're facing nine counts, including conspiracy to obstruct and proceeding, of course, conspiracy charges against said addition, how worried should they be. >> i think if they take the oath keeper trial a month or so ago, as an indicator should be pretty worried in many ways this will be similar to the oath keeper trial in that it will come down to be essentially a battle of text messages, the government will put out a number of text messages exchanged between these alleged co conspirators, intentions before the event, standing for january 6, their actions on the 6th, and then the reaction to what actually happened and put those things together, looks like they accomplished their objective, which was to stop votes, stop the counting of the light to moderate votes and the defense will turn around and say no, text messaging are saying people were just having fun and the actual crowd and going along with events as they occurred and there was more actual agreement or plan to do a

john miller and joe jackson back with me, andrew mccabe also back. cnn law enforcement analyst michael fanone, who nearly lost his life defending the capitol on january 6th, and cnn legal analyst elliott williams, former deputy assistant attorney general. elliott, first off, you are new to this discussion here, and i think everyone who has seen this video has had the same visceral, human reaction. that is one thing. there is no legal case that will need to be made in a court of law with the changes that have now been filed against these former officers, which do include second-degree murder. based on what you have now seen on this video, and as someone who has prosecuted cases before, will that be easy to prove in court? >> what a wonderful question, john. thank you for asking that. starting with the visceral, it bears mentioning, and i have to say it, hearing someone calling for his mother, which is 80 yards away, or 100 yards away, and actually with the volume it's as if he thought he could get her there, i don't think i'll ever on here that. so at

back with me now, andrew mccabe, and john dean.rew, the defendants in this case, they're facing nine counts, including conspiracy to obstruct and obstructing of official proceeding, of course. it's the conspiracy charges again of sedition, how worried should they be? >> well, i think if they take the oath keepers trial, about a month or so ago, and then as any sort of indicator, i think we should be worried. in many ways, this trial will be similar in style, and that it will come down to essentially a battle of text messages. the government is going to put out a number of text messages or exchanges -- with these alleged coconspirators. that indicate their intentions, before the event the planning for january 6th. their actions on the sixth. and then their reactions to what actually happened. string those things together and it looks like they accomplished their objectives, which was to stop the vote, stop the counting of electoral votes. and the defense will then turn around and say, no, will show text messages say that people were

and former fbi director andy mccabe. good to see you all.few minutes away from this briefing, but can you give us an idea how officials might be prioritizing information? what will they choose? what kind of information do they feel is important to convey to the public? >> good morning, fredricka. there is a lot going on right now. when they first arrived at the scene, police will have a number of working theorys they will attempt to rub down in the hours immediately after the incident occurred. and there's a lot of information coming out recently about incidents that occurred nearby, the fact that the lunar new year event may have been over when the shootings took place, and the fact that the suspect was armed with a long rifle. that mitigates someone that would plan this event. however, it will be really critical to get information about what the suspect looks like. his description, and how he has fled the scene. did he have associates, someone assisting him that picked him up and drove him away? did he run away from the scene? did he drive

let's get perspective now from cnet senior law enforcement analyst and fbi director andrew mccabe. so, how worried should the american public before the safety and security of this country, with these classified documents in private homes of politicians? >> i think that everybody should be concerned. these are serious violations of pretty clear rules. how concerned you should be comes down to the damage assessment, which is always done by the fbi and the department of justice and other intelligence community partners after documents like this are recovered. they take a look at those things to see if those sources and methods are compromised, oftentimes the answer is no. if that's the case, it's not quite as serious as it could be. these are clear violations. >> according to report from the dni, director of national intelligence back in 2017, the potential for more than 1 million people have access to top secret information, with many more access to lower levels of classification. who is policing those people in realtime to be able to ensure that they will not take things home to th

andrew mccabe, thank you very much. >>> joining me now former republican congressman and chairman of the house intelligence committee mike rogers. mr. chairman, great to see you, as always. appreciate the time. as a former intelligence guy yourself, what does it say that we now have two presidents, one current, one former, under investigation by the special counsels for how they handled classified documents? and i guess that you can pick up if you want, off of what andrew mccabe was just saying a few moments ago, which is basically, you know, yes, this doesn't look all that great, to have additional documents surfacing on the biden side of things. but there's differences between the two cases. >> well, think of -- this is bad for a whole host of reasons, especially now that you have case officers all over the world telling people, we'll keep your secrets safe if you cooperate with us. you have to ask a question. this goes back to the sandy berger case. and you had classification of a server under hillary clinton. and the trump problem with classified documents in his home. there's a

i want to get information from charles ram see, and andrew mccabe. i want to talk about the mass shootings nationally. first, a lot has been revealed about the ammunition the california suspect had, 42 shell casings, a large capacity magazine recovered from the scene. there was a hand gun in the cargo van, a rifle with hundred of rounds of ammunition found in his home according to police, not to mention the weapon used in the shooting which was a mack 10 pistol extended large capacity magazine. what does all that tell you? >> it tells you the perpetrator of this latest -- maybe not the latest since we seem to have another one in the last few minutes. but in this weekend's shooting in california is someone who is deeply involved in gun ownership. that's not a crime. it's certainly consistent with the second amendment rights in this country. but it tells you something when you see a video of the perpetrator of a mass shooting walk into a potential second location with a mack 10 pistol, which appears to be outfitted with a suppressor on the end of it. s

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. >> i want to pick up back there, senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe and sanjay gupta. what they were talking about, the two sheriff's deputies put on leave now, after the video was released, shamone and done you have possible answers. >> i'll tell you exactly the story almost tells itself you have the elected sheriff of shelby county watching on our air for some other show this video play, and realizes for the first time watching this video on live television that two deputy sheriffs from his agency are on scene. that triggers a bunch of questions, which is what were they doing there on the scene? when did they get there? what part of this did they see? witness, take part in? stand by for? do they have an implication in this failure to intervene question. more than any of that, john, is why am i finding out about this boy watching it on live television. they should have told their inspector, hey, that thing that everybody is talking about, we were there, we heard it on the radio, backup whatever that should have gone from their sergeant to their lieutenant to the senio

. >> thank you >>> with me in the studio, senior law enforcement analyst and fbi director drew mccabe, justin, an executive director of thurgood marshal civil rights center and rayshon ray a senior fellow is with us. i want you to get a sense, turn to you first, dr. ray about this because you in the work you've done as a sociologist and beyond you work with police officers and training. and for every instance where you have fourth amendment constitutional violations that have been alleged and excessive force and duty to intervene and not doing so, it becomes an opportunity for training as well. tell me when you hear about this case, what is your reaction? three minutes, allegedly, of a sustained beating following a traffic stop. >> i think the first thing people have to think about the length of that. as you were saying before, that is like the length of the time that a person would be in the ring and have five people beating on you people have to think about that. the research we've done at the university of maryland, one of the things we found black officers have similar attitudes a

andy mccabe, thank you very much. i'm sure we'll be talking about this some more. >>> the suspect arrested in connection with the killing of four idaho college students expected to waive his extradition from pennsylvania to idaho tomorrow. this 28-year-old, bryan kohberger who is charged with four counts of first-degree murder murder. >> jean casarez is in stroudsburg, pennsylvania, outside the correctional facility where kohberger is being held. what more are we learning about him and for folks coming back from vacation, how investigators found their way to him. >> well, what we're learning about him personally is he just graduated -- this is his home, northeastern pennsylvania, he graduated in may from the area. he got his masters degree in criminal justice. we also know he just completed his first semester at washington state university, clear across the country, right next to idaho, where he is a criminal justice and criminology major. we also know he participated as an active -- an active participant in a researc

and they could come to very different results. >> andrew mccabe, appreciate it.o talk now about the political fallout, which could be considerable and unwelcome to the administration. as phil mattingly mentioned with inflation cooling, gas prices dropping, and the president's approval numbers growing in the polls at least before this, joining us is cnn's senior political analyst david gergen, white house insider for republican and democrats alike dating back to the nixon years. and former republican congressman charlie dent, and also a washington bureau chief for the boston globe. david gergen, let's start with you. how big a mess is this for the biden administration? >> it's very, very big. not legally but politically that's is a very big deal. this was a president marching upward. for the first time in his presidency his numbers up, people feeling better about the economy. there were all sorts of reasons to believe he could not present himself -- the fears people like me have about can he govern well, those fears would be dissipated if he were able to stay on t

let's discuss with cnn senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. good to see you.sed how election denying is dangerous for our democracy. we saw on january 6th and several times since how it's dangerous to life and limb. when you see this suspect, solomon pena targeting these lawmakers, going to their homes, i mean, what does that tell you about our climate and this suspect specifically? >> vehictor, it tells me the concerns we have and law enforcement and intelligence leaders had, that we may be entering a period of political violence has happened. we are there. this is no longer kind of a strategic discussion about the next threat that might be over the horizon. it's here. we've become a country which people resort to violence to express frustration over politics and obviously, january 6th, the best example of that as you said, we have had many other examples in the last few years. cesar who began mailing pipe bombs to people he thought were political enemies and ricky who tried to attack the fbi cincinnati field office with an ar-15 acting out on, you know, anot

andrew mccabe, and legal analyst, elliott williams. i'm glad you are all here.have similar questions as to who, what, when, who knew what when y. that and the segment today, thank you for watching cnn -- no, but seriously, i'm trying to wrap my mind around what has come in over the next 24 hours. even the statement in mexico city. there were 40 boxes that were handed over in an abundance of caution from the first batch that we learned about. it doesn't necessarily add up, but the ten classified documents are not at whatever level they were. but are these new batches, is this from a different location or is that part of those boxes that were handed over? >> a different location, and let's just call it an undisclosed location at the moment. the first location was his office, part of the biden pen center that had been sitting there for several years. these boxes were locked up. my understanding is 99% of what was in that office was personal. it included things like the burial arrangement documents for bo biden's funeral. documents of condolence letters that have be

andrew mccabe. from what you just heard from natasha, 72-year-old walks into the ballroom where this say they is familiar. timeline, second ball broom, heard top of the show brandon inte intervened. a day goes by before they find this van reportedly leaving the scene and from a law enforcement the question now, the goonman obviously is dead. police believe he acted alone but you heard natasha talk about the search warrant. what are you looking for and what are the biggest questions? >> they're looking for evidence that would lead them to a motive. i mean, it's starting to kind of shape up now. look at his age. age of the victims. re frequented that place in the past. he's even alleged to have made comments that he doesn't think people there treat him very well. this is starting to look more like a personal-type of issue as oh pposed to what originally wa speculated, thats it was a hate crime because it occurred during the lunar new year. i think they'll eventually get to a motive, but they're going

so action, in terms of what action, we're not really sure. >> and i want to note, andrew mccabe, the idea here that within a month of the killing of george floyd, memphis actually change part of its policies among the police and law enforcement about the duty to render care, the duty to intervene, which is of course one of the issues that we've been talking about. as the professor noted, the attorney's office in tennessee is now involved. you have the local dent memphis dea, shelby county, and you have the dea, moore and of course the fbi is now involved in the case about this. you mentioned the idea of the color of the officers, they talk about the color of law, the badge itself could be enough. what could the fbi be doing in a case like this in order to either support or buttress the local investigations? >> those investigations from your local prosecutors and detectives, and the u.s. attorneys supported by fbi agents, kind of going on at the same time at parallel tracks. they can result in very different results. you might see charges on the local level like things like homicide,

let's talk about it now with juliette kayyem and andrew mccabe.y concerning, not just from a consumer traveler perspective, but the idea of what is your reaction to the fact that this even happened? >> right. well, you're talking to two people who are here, but we had flights today so we were from the front lines, as we say we were both delayed but got here. this is serious in the sense -- we have not had a nationwide grounding since 9/11, so this does not happen often. you do not close down the airport system. and this wasn't just any system that broke down. it's called the notam system, it's notice to the pilots of what's going on on the ground, is there something on the runway, is there a disruption at the airport, and it's communicating with the pilots. so without it, you have no communication with the pilots. so to call it a system didn't work. it's actually a very relevant system. it's a safety and security system. so none of it is good. the faa i will say took too long to tell us what was going on. they knew from yesterday midday there were

perspective from senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe., given everything you know so far about president biden's recovered classified documents, if you were leading the investigation, where would you start? what questions need to be answered immediately? >> the most fundamental piece of any investigation into the spill of classified is what we refer to as classified information ends up someplace it's not supposed to be is first to conduct an assessment as to have we created a national security threat here. so, they want to look at exactly what was outside of that authorized space and determine if sources and method versus been placed in jeopardy. after that, you get to the how did this happen part of the investigation. that starts with day one. who packed this stuff up? who transported it? how was it transport snd how was it stored when it got to its ultimate location? who access to that space? walk through the logical progression of who could possibly have been exposed to this stuff and when. >> the biden administration says they're coop

let's bring in senior cnn law enforcement analyst and former deputy director of the fbi andrew mccabe and julia kayyem, former assistant secretary at the department of homeland security. welcome to you both. andrew,ly start with you. of course the glaring reality is that monterey park is an asian majority city and that this shooting happened just as monterey park, the city's lunar new year celebrations was wrapping at around 9:00 p.m. the shooting happening around 10:22 in the evening. do you believe investigators are operating on the assumption that this was possibly a hate crime? >> well, i don't know that operating on the assumption is the right way to characterize it. i think as your reporter mentioned in the segment we just listened to, i would expect that investigators are considering that as a possibility in the same way they're considering every other possibility, like a domestic violence issue that could have spilled over into the community, all kinds of potential motives and narratives behind this horrific act, but because it seems to have been perpetrated in an area where y

i want to bring in andrew m mccabe. parallels will be drawn between what's happened here and what happened with former president trump. the president's personal attorney made it clear in his statement that this was all done through coordination, that they were made aware of this in advance, they told doj they could search the property. that is different than a search warrant and showing up and surprising the person at the house. >> oh, very, very different. the end result is the same. the fbi and doj attorneys participating get to go in and do the kind of search the fbi and the department rely upon to be sure there's no more material in any given location. the way we got here is very, very, very different. in this case, for whatever public relations or political missteps they have had, you have to give the president's team credit for at least being incredibly proactive and i would say proactively cooperative from the very beginning. even last week when we heard there were documents found in the wilmington residence, you

senior law enforcement analyst andy mccabe. cnn political commentator and top obama adviser david axelrod. andrew, you know special counsel robert hur. you worked with him. what should we know about him? >> well, i think jamie summed it up well. rob has an extraordinary background. he is a hardworking guy, a straight shooter. i knew him when he was the assistant, the principle assistant deputy attorney general, as we refer to them, as the pay-dag for rod rosenstein. he was a key member of that leadership team at the department at the time. attorney general jeff session and rod rosenstein being his bosses. yeah, he is a straight forward guy with the right background and the right reputation. obviously, deeply connected on the republican side of things, which should protect him for a very short period of time. >> andrew, this large issue now encompasses the sitting president and his immediate predecessor. do you think there would be interesting inside the justice department of finding out whether there are classified documents th

mccabe come speak here. mr. mccabe lied, lied to the american people. director comey lied, lied to the american people. and they are still running around telling stories as if the problems that was president trump and his actions before he took office is not true. zeenat: so i want to talk about afghanistan. now, you were involved with negotiating with the taliban and looking at the situation in the country right now, particularly women can't go to school, can't go to work, how would you define the legacy of our mission in afghanistan? sec. pompeo: oh, goodness. it's mixed for sure. for any of you who served in afghanistan, some of us -- i met countless folks who did, bless you for what you did. as c.i.a. director, i saw the work that was done. we saved scores of american lives by our presence in in afghanistan for -- in afghanistan for 20 years so i want to personally thank you all for the work you did to keep us all so safe. i can't talk about the terror plots taken down. all of you should know there were dozens and dozens and dozens that were taken d

. >> andrew mccabe is, back special agent profiler mary ellen o'tool, mary ellen, when you heard more about the details of the shooting in half moon bay california, did it strike you that there are certain similarities to the shooting, that it just happened days earlier in monterey park, showing the age and race of the gunman? >> i thought it was very striking, i'll tell you why, because the age of both gunman, 67, 68, and 72, those are tremendous outliers. the average age of the shooters, of shooters we see nowadays, is the early 30s. >> look at it this way -- for six, seven 68 years, 72 years, and the monterrey park case, these two men were able to navigate their way through life, how doses, or maybe not particularly well -- handle being upset, maybe angry at the workplace, but they did have coping behaviors, and now all of a sudden those coping behaviors are not what they should be. they are not relying on them. so i found it very interesting when both of these were back to back. and also made me wonder about the copycat, or the contagion effect in the shootings that we have seen i

mccabe come speak here. mr. mccabe lied, lied to the american people. director comey lied, lied to the american people. and they are still running around telling stories as if the problems that was president trump and his actions before he took office is not true. zeenat: so i want to talk about afghanistan. now, you were involved with negotiating with the taliban and looking at the situation in the country right now, particularly women can't go to school, can't go to work, how would you define the legacy of our mission in afghanistan? sec. pompeo: oh, goodness. it's mixed for sure. for any of you who served in afghanistan, some of us -- i met countless folks who did, bless you for what you did. as c.i.a. director, i saw t work that was done. we saved scores of american lives by our presence in in afghanistan for -- in afghanistan for 20 years so i want to personally thank you all for the work you did to keep us all so safe. i can't talk about the terror plots taken down. all of you should know there were dozens and dozens and dozens that were taken dow

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naming names, prominent dc reporters, revelations include secret new york times meetings with mccabe, a hotline with peter struck. now the files also reveal more evidence of the close ties between federal intel agencies and twitter. efforts by the federal government to influence the platform's context moderation policies to go after conservatives. here with reaction former chairman of the house intel committee david nunes and former florida attorney general. i will start with you, devin, we look at you, you knew the whole time adam sheuf was a liar. we have learned the fbi leading up to the 2020 election warned all big tech about disinformation maybe even about the bidens might be coming out. you won't want to print it. is that the reason why and the 3.5 million the fbi paid according to fox news.com and twitter? did that go a long way to buy their silence and supression of information? >> well, sean, think we always knew there was the freak show at twitter. look likely at facebook and instagram also did shadow banning. we didn't know we had members of con greens who were to did you f

the end of october, mccabe said the bulk of information without the dirty dossier, no fisa applications and yet this guy working on this case was the one involved in colluding with the russians? >> right, sean. the same fbi that spied on president trump's campaign that altered evidence in front of the fisa court, lied to the fisa court has an agent that helped launch the trump investigation is now under indictment from taking money from russia. this is the special agent in charge of counter intelligence in the new york division. it's not just any russian. it's the man that christopher steele was working for. that is the lay of the land here. that is why matt and i have sent this letter to get more answers on what was this. this guy worked 20 years at the fbi. this mcgonical. this pattern that we've seen and the political nature that exists based on what whistle-blowers have told us and what we have seen has to end. >> sean: what are the whistle-blowers saying matt gaetz and what will the american people likely learn in these hearings? >> there's two critical vectors that we're investiga

. >> cnn senior law enforcement analyst and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe said investigators will pour over the suspect's life to figure out his motivations. >> they're going to go back with help from people like the fbi and others and they're going to try to look through this person's life and piece together what led to this awful moment, going to look at his writings, they're going to look at his social media if he has anything, his electronics devices to see if he's communicated with friends, anything that go would indicate a grievance or world view, whatever it might be that led to this. the and then they'll be able to offer that up to the community as some sort of tragic explanation as to what happened. at the end of that process we'll probably have to move on to another one. >> and california governor gavin newsom says he'll no longer attend events for the national governor's association scheduled for tuesday. >> i know exactly what they're going through. as i was watching the press conference it was an eerie deja vu and i can imagine in their community life in monterey

senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe. you're a former deputy director of the fbi.al to you about the dealings behind the scenes between the department of justice and biden team? >> you know, wolf, it's a little surprising. i think that sources in the justice department would engage in this kind of -- these kind of off the record statements, of course the justice department and the fbi were prepared to seek a search warrant. that's what they do. it's a bit like saying the fireman was prepared to spray water on the house until they got there and saw there was no fire. the important thing is we know there wasn't a search warrant and now from evan's reporting it sounds like they weren't really threatened with one. it's not clear to me from the public record they would have been able to get one because you need probable cause to convince a judge there is a problem in that location. >> let me get elie's thoughts. >> this tells me the justice department was not fully comfortable with joe biden's team doing the search on its own and prepared to take whatever steps necessar

andrew mccabe says republicans have a point. >> i agree with the republicans. there should absolutely be a special counsel appointed to review this matter. so let's think about it. the special counsel, there's nothing magical about a special counsel's legal authority. they have the authority to investigate and look at crimes. the whole reason to put a special counsel in is when the public would be reasonably concerned that an investigation had been -- might be, could be, possibly was tainted by politics. there is certainly that concern here with the attorney general making investigative decisions over the guy who appointed him, president biden. so, you know, it absolutely calls out for a special counsel and i think it goes a long way to addressing some of that criticism that the ag's receiving right now from the republican side. i think they should handle each investigation in as similar a manner as possible acknowledging the fact that the facts this each situation are very, very diff different. >> meanwhile, george santos says he has no plans to step down desp

let's bring in our chief intelligence analyst john miller and andrew mccabe. let's begin with the idaho killings. police say more information will be unsealed once the suspect is actually back in idaho. we're also hearing from his family for the first time. what do you make of these new details emerging now? >> well, wolf, we're about to learn a lot more about exactly what law enforcement knows about this suspect. according to idaho law, they're not allowed to share those details until the affidavit that accompanies the indictment is unsealed. that happens when the suspect is presented in court in idaho and the charges are read to him. that will happen after he completes his hearing in pennsylvania and is transported back to idaho. the hearing in pennsylvania is tomorrow. he could be back in idaho tomorrow night or first thing wednesday morning. that's when we'll learn all the facts they put into the affidavit to convince a judge to give them an arrest warrant. that will be an important moment. >> john, do you think we'll learn the motive behind these killings

back with us now, discussing, michael fanone, shingle and andrew mccabe. shanley. because the doj's first successes with the roads conviction, many were wondering if there would never be a charge that would be successful to something like that, a very rare instance. did that give some level of affirmation to continue with the new case, which i note, was separated because of considerations of trying them altogether? >> i think it did, i mean a lot of, times prosecutors are very concerned about beyond a reasonable bold out standard. but sometimes a little bit of cold from being a little bit timid and this is not a charge which has been used very much thankfully because it doesn't happen that much in the country. and, honestly, i think some of the concern was saying that this is a really rare charge, making it really difficult. just because it's where it doesn't asylee mean it's difficult. i, mean i've tried cases in d.c. for over a decade. i have a lot of confidence that they can see their work -- and i think it's been proven. >> it's true, andrew i want to

let's continue the discussion with andrew mccabe. how do you interpret this signal from the u.s.>> i think it was absolutely predictable, wolf. so if you read the letter, the five-page letter that the department sent over in response to chairman jordan's request, it's interesting. it is three pages of going through the basics how the committee is expected to interact with the department, which is really interesting, because jordan certainly knows these details. but they're kind of covering all the background data. then they get to the last part of the letter where they make it clear that they are going to stand on long-established doj precedent and not share material and reports and information from ongoing criminal investigations with congress. they cite president going back as early as 1941. several quotes and decisions from the reagan administration. so this is not a new position from the doj . >> from your perspective, i'm wondering why you believe the attorney general is draw thing line in the sand right now? >> wolf, this goes to the heart of everything that the justice dep

jim comey and andrew mccabe, 18 months apart. no time to look for their enforcement division to look into these potential crimes. what do you -- i mean, i know from being in the government, the conspiracies are sometimes unlikely. what do you make as a potential explanation for why no charges were brought from sdmy, enforcement action from the irs, what's a working theory for why there's been nothing? >> usually when you're a federal agency or federal prosecutor and somebody gift wraps a prosecution and hands it to you, you're real happy to open the presence. i think that makes the tax situation here difficult to understand but typically when prosecutors decide not to move forward in one of these high profile cases, they do it because they see a problem with the case. they believe that there's insufficient evidence to obtain a verdict, to convince a jury of guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. maybe they think there's a legal component. it's very tough to assess these from the outside. i find it very easy particularly in this situati

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i want to bring in cnn senior law enforcement analyst, andrew mccabe.ica in the age of terror in trump. also here with us, cnn chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller. who's joining me now, you've got some new reporting tonight on the suspect, john, what are you learning? >> what we've learned from sources who are briefed on what the surveillance teams made of the pennsylvania -- saw when they set up on kohberger's house in pennsylvania, number one, he left washington state university about four days before the semester break started. so, it seems that he was in a hurry to get out of there and get home. that, of course, is about seven days after police announced that they're looking for a white elantra, or any information about someone driving one in the area. when he gets there, what we're told, is the surveillance team sees him cleaning that elantra from top to bottom, inside and out, not skipping a single spot. to get it spick and span, wearing surgical gloves as he moves things in and out of the car. at one point, he comes out at

andrew mccabe, let's start with new cnn reporting that it's possible there will be yet more searches for classified documents at other locations connected to the president. what does that tell you? >> well, wolf, it tells us we are firmly in the very first part of what is the typical practice in these sorts of investigations, and that is to recover all of the material that's being stored someplace where it's not supposed to be. so in a situation like this where you already have materials showing up at two different locations, i would expect that both the president's team of lawyers and the government investigators are going to want to make sure that they have collected up all of that stuff, no matter where it might be. it's not uncommon for searches to take place at this phase of the investigation in a kind of consensual manner, so i could imagine a possibility in which fbi agents and prosecutors would be accompanied by attorneys to conduct those searches. the presidentia's attorneys. that's possible in this case because the two sides are working cooperatively. that was never really

and he did it so many times, i believe it was confiscated by adam mccabe. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: is that yeah, he got in trouble. >> jimmy: methane is a big part of the climate crisis. >> correct. [ laughter and applause ] >> jimmy: meryl streep is sitting there and he's making fart noises come out of her? >> yes, he is. >> jimmy: eddie murphy is one of your costars. eddie murphy is -- listen, i meet famous people all time. >> yeah. >> jimmy: eddie murphy is a guy almost mythological in a lot of ways. >> totally, totally. >> jimmy: you, however, have known him since 1982, i believe, photograph was taken. incredibl- >> yeah. >> jimmy: now, this is a "little rascals" sketch, right? >> yeah. >> jimmy: are you playing darla from "the little rascals"? >> i am. >> jimmy: eddie murphy playing buckwheat. then we've got robert blake. >> that's right, robert blake. >> jimmy: what do you remember about robert on this evening? >> remember what i told you about my psychic memory? [ laughter ] >> jimmy: yes? nothing? >> nothing. i remember nothing. i'm -- it's lucky i remember that that was darla i wa

now is cnn's senior law enforcement analyst charles ramsey and cnn law enforcement analyst andrew mccabethe memphis police department permanently deactivated this conserv scorpion unit. how common are these teams? >> they're pretty common, pam. i don't think the move to eradicate the scorpion unit in memphis necessarily means every other unit has to go. this one absolutely had to go. there's no way any citizen in memphis could have the requisite level of trust and faith in officered deployed under that banner having seen this video. my bigger concern is there could be systemic problems, problems of failures of leadership, training, toxic culture within that unit that go beyond the five officers we saw on the video. that is a problem that you see coming up in different similar units around the country. the best example i can think of is the baltimore gun crimes task force, another unit that had really legendary leadership and toxic culture issues. other departments would be well guided to review the performance of similar units to take steps to make sure that they don't have a unit with o

. >> eddie, brad rafsen berger, liz cheney, andrew mccabe, rod rosenstein, the other reason they do it is because it works. none of those people are in their jobs anymore. none of those people are working to protect or advance the rule of law in the way they were before trumpcorroded and created this structure for republicans to make it their mission to dismantle the rule of law in this country. >> absolutely. andrew put it nicely that it's the kind of legalized obstruction. it's political intimidation in a clear and effective way. i come at it from a different direction. this is kind of bizarre-o world. everything gets flipped. what i mean by that is, you know, the church commission, the church committee was trying to address the abuses of fbi and cia in terms of the surveillance of black communities, martin king, black activists and the like, as well as some other things. here we have the flipping of the script. white supremacist are now the heroes and the patriots, right? the folks who are anti-democratic are the ones being subject to presentation. what we see here very clearly is e

. >> perspective now from cnn senior law enforcement analyst andrew mccabe, former deputy director ofbi. and you, it's pathetic, sad that this is happening, and i think a sign of the times. >> it's pathetic inside but it's also really alarming. it's another indicator that >> in american political life and political culture. we are becoming a country where people resort to violence to settle political disputes -- we've had on the margins political groups engaged in violence in our history -- really need to rethink how they are assessing the current state of threats, internal and domestic threats, to this country and where they are coming from. this is a different place than the domestic terrorism environment we thought about and try to mitigate when i was in the fbi over the course of my career. >> what would that look? like what can the branch of the law enforcement due to respond? not just respond after the fact, to try to prevent these kinds of things from happening. >> this isn't a situation in the fbi or any law enforcement entity can completely solve. from their perspective, ther

. >>> andrew mccabe is joining us. fbi profiler mary ellen o'toole.n you heard more about the details of the shooting that happened in half moon bay , california, did it strike you there were similarities to the shooting? certainly the age, race of the gunman? >> i thought it was very striking. i tell you why. because the age of both gunmen, 67, 67, and 72, those are tremendous outliars because the average age of the shooters, of shooters we see nowadays is the early 30s. so look at it this way. so for 67, 68 years, 72 years in the monterey park case. these men were able to navigate through life, handle stressors, maybe not particularly well, handle being upset, maybe angry at the workplace, but they did have coping behaviors and then now all of a sudden those coping behaviors are not what they should be, they are not relying on them. i found it very interesting when both were back to back and it also made me wonder about the copycater, the contagion effect in the shootings that we see in younger shooters. >> andrew, from a law enforcement perspective