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john mccain has a plan. he's going to figure out which guys are good-guy rebels, which are bad-guy rebels and only arm the good guys. >> every single day, more and more extremists flow in. whether it be from iraq, whether it be from yemen, whether it be from libya, they're flowing in all tihe time, these extremist. but they still do not make up a sizable portion, so we can identify who these people are, we can help the right people. >> easy pizzi, pick out the right people, give them missiles and stuff. it might sound, what's the word, easier said than done, but that is actually the entire conceit behind the john mccain led arm the rebels movement. the idea you can step into this incredibly complicated, entre h entrenched, sectarianed fuels horrific civil war and pick out the good guys from the bad guys. that conceit is actually foundational to the bill that passed through the senate foreign relations committee last week. which calls for arming, i'm quoting, vetted opposition. as if there's some foolproof ve
john mccain has a plan. he's going to figure out which guys are good-guy rebels, which are bad-guy rebels and only arm the good guys. >> every single day, more and more extremists flow in. whether it be from iraq, whether it be from yemen, whether it be from libya, they're flowing in all tihe time, these extremist. but they still do not make up a sizable portion, so we can identify who these people are, we can help the right people. >> easy pizzi, pick out the right people, give...
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i know where mccain stands, whenever there's a war to be had, mccain's on that side.ho do we have to invade this week? syria? good i'm in, in fact he's in before anybody else is. give him credit on that one. i'm not sure what the so-called you liberal point is. i didn't get my talking points today. what's the liberal position? >> i don't know, my personal views have evolved. some of the things that mccain is calling for is loudable, no fly zone makes sense right now but mccain has a very bad track record. the last time he was kind of jetting off and meeting quietly with middle east interests to sell weapons was with goo gaddafi everything from wanting to stay in iraq for 100 years or more. it's skepticism for what mccain is really up to. we don't know who "they" is. there's a big new yorker piece about definitelying into the syrian army. it's al-qaeda types or folks who could be called socialists. it's interesting that mccain is now seen as a hero to the socialist secular left of the syrian rebels. cenk: it's a trippy world. that gaddafi thing, it was not that long a
i know where mccain stands, whenever there's a war to be had, mccain's on that side.ho do we have to invade this week? syria? good i'm in, in fact he's in before anybody else is. give him credit on that one. i'm not sure what the so-called you liberal point is. i didn't get my talking points today. what's the liberal position? >> i don't know, my personal views have evolved. some of the things that mccain is calling for is loudable, no fly zone makes sense right now but mccain has a very...
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john mccain has a plan. he's just going to figure out which rebels are good guy rebels, which rebels are bad guy rebels and only arm the good guys. >> every single day more and more extremists flow in, whether it be from iraq, whether it be from yemen, whether it be from libya. they're flowing in all the time, these extremists. but they still do not make up a sizeable portion, so we can identify who these people are, we can help the right people. >> easy peasy, just pick out the right people, give them missiles and stuff. it might sound, what's the right word, easier said than done. that's entirely the entirely skeet behind the john mccain-led arm the rebels movement. the idea that you can step into this sectarian fueled horrific civil war and pick out the good guys from the bad guys. now that con seat is foundational to the bill that passed through the foreign relations committee last week which calls for arm, and i'm quoting the bill, vetted oppositi opposition. as if there is some awesome foolproof vettin
john mccain has a plan. he's just going to figure out which rebels are good guy rebels, which rebels are bad guy rebels and only arm the good guys. >> every single day more and more extremists flow in, whether it be from iraq, whether it be from yemen, whether it be from libya. they're flowing in all the time, these extremists. but they still do not make up a sizeable portion, so we can identify who these people are, we can help the right people. >> easy peasy, just pick out the...
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mirrored the mccain levin package.ecifically avoided going to 51 votes and harry reid had been talking about revisiting it because things hadn't gotten better. surprisingly. there still have been a lot of use of the silent filibuster and just in general they can't get judicial nominees through. so i think mccain thinks, you know, that the actions of these senators give a lot more i guess momentum as much as i don't like that word to democrats to say we're going to go to 51 votes if we can't even get to debate on the budget. and it is his -- it is his deal. he was part of that final package with respect to the rules changes. so he has an interest in preserving that. >> it seems that we're sort of on an unavoidable collision course. with the mccain mentality and the tea party mentality. so sort of where do we go from here? are they just going to be able to coexist and sort of take jabs at each other all throughout the process or where do we go? >> if these guys can get re-elected, that's what they have to prove. the firs
mirrored the mccain levin package.ecifically avoided going to 51 votes and harry reid had been talking about revisiting it because things hadn't gotten better. surprisingly. there still have been a lot of use of the silent filibuster and just in general they can't get judicial nominees through. so i think mccain thinks, you know, that the actions of these senators give a lot more i guess momentum as much as i don't like that word to democrats to say we're going to go to 51 votes if we can't...
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mccain is pointing to this one man.e's going to have to convince the white house with president obama very cautious on whether or not he wants to commit americans to a place where most americans at this point aren't supportive of more intervention. >> we talk about that american commitment. so we've got really nobody including mccain in favor of putting boots on the ground there. a war weary america. so what are the options in terms of an intervention or the best options because basically it's a worse case scenario. it's the best of worst options. >> yeah, well, you saw in richard's piece that the u.s. is providing food and medicine to the opposition. they'd like the u.s. to go further and arm the rebels but they have to figure out who they would be giving the arms to and set up a no fly zone so you can't have the bombings. those are the things they want but we heard the white house wants to do this geneva convention or meeting with the russians next month and possibly have a negotiated settlement. >> thank you for your
mccain is pointing to this one man.e's going to have to convince the white house with president obama very cautious on whether or not he wants to commit americans to a place where most americans at this point aren't supportive of more intervention. >> we talk about that american commitment. so we've got really nobody including mccain in favor of putting boots on the ground there. a war weary america. so what are the options in terms of an intervention or the best options because basically...
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john mccain's one-man policy tour took in yemen today. mccain has pressed for military action against the assad regime and critical of the president's reluctance to intervene with that civil war. meanwhile, south carolina senator lindsey graham a close ally to mccain, tweeted this. best wishes to senator mccain if he doesn't come back, speaking dibs on his office. i thought that was kind of funny. mccain is the highest ranking official to be in syria since earlier this month. it turns out the real life cartoon villain koch brothers do not have the monopoly on dark money. just puppy ransom. and its like putting on your best tuxedo for the tractor pull. the clown college that passes as our house of representatives. and who will play hillary, vying for the chance to play ms. rodham in her younger years. they think this world isn't big enough for the both of them. but we assure you - it is. bites. little greatness. >> if you believe in state's rights but still support the drug war you must be high. >> "viewpoint" digs deep into the issues of
john mccain's one-man policy tour took in yemen today. mccain has pressed for military action against the assad regime and critical of the president's reluctance to intervene with that civil war. meanwhile, south carolina senator lindsey graham a close ally to mccain, tweeted this. best wishes to senator mccain if he doesn't come back, speaking dibs on his office. i thought that was kind of funny. mccain is the highest ranking official to be in syria since earlier this month. it turns out the...
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i love angry john mccain too. >> yeah, you love john mccain, let's be clear. >> i do. i have a shot of spot for him in my head. but we have to be careful for what we wish for. this is the deal, they want it have all eyes on the republicans to test that purity. and also, i mean, steve sort of alluded to this, the way that our elections run now, is that vitter -- or not vitter, but cruz and rubio will not be punished for this activity. you know, there's not going to be a seasoning period for them. they are actually going to be rewarded with donations for due doing this. as people like john mccain who might suffer, might actually get primaried, who knows. so they won't undergo the maturing process this sometimes happeneds in the senate, like after you've been there for a while. i'm curious how this will play out. you alluded to this as well. is this something that gets more and more extreme. that this fracture in the party that we already see in the last election will just widen into a gap? the republican party cannot hold. the weight of this now. >> it looked like it was
i love angry john mccain too. >> yeah, you love john mccain, let's be clear. >> i do. i have a shot of spot for him in my head. but we have to be careful for what we wish for. this is the deal, they want it have all eyes on the republicans to test that purity. and also, i mean, steve sort of alluded to this, the way that our elections run now, is that vitter -- or not vitter, but cruz and rubio will not be punished for this activity. you know, there's not going to be a seasoning...
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>>> john mccain is in syria. white house officials, by the way, said they knew about mccain's mission beforehand. you put it together. >>> finally let me finish tonight with this question. we get into a war in syria, what are we fighting for? exactly? and who? this is "hardball." the place for politics. [ larry ] you know throughout history, folks have suffered from frequent heartburn but now, thanks to treating with prilosec otc, we don't have to suffer like they used to. [ bell dings ] ♪ [ horse whinnies ] getting heartburn and then treating day after day is a thing of the past. block the acid with prilosec otc, and don't get heartburn in the first place. we've sure come a long way. ♪ [ male announcer ] one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. >>> wow, we have new polling data from up in massachusetts on that special election for the united states senate coming up in june. according to an emerson college poll, u.s. congressman ed markey opened up a 12-point lead over republican gabriel gomez. markey 45%
>>> john mccain is in syria. white house officials, by the way, said they knew about mccain's mission beforehand. you put it together. >>> finally let me finish tonight with this question. we get into a war in syria, what are we fighting for? exactly? and who? this is "hardball." the place for politics. [ larry ] you know throughout history, folks have suffered from frequent heartburn but now, thanks to treating with prilosec otc, we don't have to suffer like they...
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mccain slipped across the syrian border yesterday to meet with rebel leaders. tara mergener is in washington with details. >> reporter: mccain has been a strong advocate for u.s. action in syria. in contrast to the obama administration's more restrained approach, his visit could put pressure now on washington to intervene. senator john mccain crossed the border from turkey into syria to meet with military commanders waging war against the bashar al assad regime. the woman who helped set up the visit said mccain made the trip because he believes the u.s. has abandoned the rebel fighters. she says they wanted to show them the american people support their war. it's a sentiment mccain himself hinted at this weekend. >> right now bashar al assad is winning. that's because the united states is not leading or assisting. >> reporter: but the obama administration is looking for a diplomatic end to the war. secretary of state john kerry met with his russian counterpart in paris to discuss next month's syrian peace conference in geneva. >> we are committed to this. we bo
mccain slipped across the syrian border yesterday to meet with rebel leaders. tara mergener is in washington with details. >> reporter: mccain has been a strong advocate for u.s. action in syria. in contrast to the obama administration's more restrained approach, his visit could put pressure now on washington to intervene. senator john mccain crossed the border from turkey into syria to meet with military commanders waging war against the bashar al assad regime. the woman who helped set...
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>>> john mccain is in syria. white house officials, by the way, said they knew about mccain's mission beforehand. you put it together. >>> finally let me finish tonight with this question. we get into a war in syria, what are we fighting for? exactly? and who? this is "hardball." the place for politics. ♪ [ agent smith ] i've found software that intrigues me. it appears it's an agent of good. ♪ [ agent smith ] ge software connects patients to nurses to the right machines while dramatically reducing waiting time. [ telephone ringing ] now a waiting room is just a room. [ static warbles ] >>> wow, we have new polling data from up in massachusetts on that special election for the united states senate coming up in june. according to an emerson college poll, u.s. congressman ed markey opened up a 12-point lead over republican gabriel gomez. markey 45%, gomez 33%. the election is four weeks from today. it's a good one to show up for. and we'll be right back. who to e without going to angie's list first. you'll find rev
>>> john mccain is in syria. white house officials, by the way, said they knew about mccain's mission beforehand. you put it together. >>> finally let me finish tonight with this question. we get into a war in syria, what are we fighting for? exactly? and who? this is "hardball." the place for politics. ♪ [ agent smith ] i've found software that intrigues me. it appears it's an agent of good. ♪ [ agent smith ] ge software connects patients to nurses to the right...
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you had the trip by john mccain, much like what he did in 2011. combine that with the decision to lift the arms embargo. could this sway the decision either to arm the rebels or even just commit some use of u.s. forces to enforce a no fly zone. >> there are two very, very important developments here apart from the mccain trip. the active overengagement of hezbollah and number two, the potential use of chemical weapons at an increasing magnitude. at the same time, i am strongly opposed to american involvement with boots on the ground or troops as i think a majority of americans are and the administration as well. so i think the trend is toward providing more arms. the foreign relations committee voting overwhelmingly in favor of that resolution last week. all but three voted with it and those arms have to be clearly tracked once they reach the opposition and the opposition forces have to be vetted so that we're arming only the good guys, not the bad guys. i think the mccain trip is very helpful because having travelled twice with him to that part o
you had the trip by john mccain, much like what he did in 2011. combine that with the decision to lift the arms embargo. could this sway the decision either to arm the rebels or even just commit some use of u.s. forces to enforce a no fly zone. >> there are two very, very important developments here apart from the mccain trip. the active overengagement of hezbollah and number two, the potential use of chemical weapons at an increasing magnitude. at the same time, i am strongly opposed to...
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coming your way all conflicts still rages in syria the nation received a surprise visit senator john mccain made a quick trip to the war in torn country meeting with rebel fighters with the assad regime so will the u.s. soon arm the rebels look at this issue later. well it's tuesday may twenty eighth eight pm in washington d.c. i'm margaret how are you watching r t. and information content used to emerge regarding the department of justice keeping tabs on journalist and just who approved of those investigations into who journalists communicate with via phone and email well more than three weeks ago news broke that the department of justice seized phone records of the associated press reporters to find out who had leaked national security information then it came to light that fox white house correspondent james rosen was facing charges as a coconspirator under the espionage act for obtaining classified information from a state department source back in two thousand and nine president obama said that he would he was in trusting attorney general eric holder to look into the matter take a list
coming your way all conflicts still rages in syria the nation received a surprise visit senator john mccain made a quick trip to the war in torn country meeting with rebel fighters with the assad regime so will the u.s. soon arm the rebels look at this issue later. well it's tuesday may twenty eighth eight pm in washington d.c. i'm margaret how are you watching r t. and information content used to emerge regarding the department of justice keeping tabs on journalist and just who approved of...
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best wishes to john mccain in syria today. make it it back, c calling dibs on his office. >> that begs the question. sometimes you find out about your family and friends on social media. you may have seen this. everyone got done with memorial weekend. this was a picnic that went wrong in iceland. five american tourists set up chairs and a table near a lagoon. then the winds changed. the ice broke off. they literally had to be res kud on this mini iceberg with freezing water. they are safe, but dumb americans unfortunately. >> thankfully they're safe. >>> this is "first look" on msnbc. "way too early" starts right now. >>> this time next year, we will mark the final memorial day of our war in afghanistan. and so as i said last week, america stands at a cross roads. but even as we turn a page on the decade of conflict, even as we look forward, let us never forget as we gather here today that our nation is still at war. >> paying homage. the president's memorial day message at arlington national cemetery as the war winds down in
best wishes to john mccain in syria today. make it it back, c calling dibs on his office. >> that begs the question. sometimes you find out about your family and friends on social media. you may have seen this. everyone got done with memorial weekend. this was a picnic that went wrong in iceland. five american tourists set up chairs and a table near a lagoon. then the winds changed. the ice broke off. they literally had to be res kud on this mini iceberg with freezing water. they are...
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let's talk about syria and john mccain. elizabeth mueller is here who has covered all the foreign policy beats and is now the deputy bureau chief for "the new york times" and chris celizza as well. >> elizabeth, the president now facing john mccain, sliding across the border, slipping across the border with the rebel groups into syria. a dangerous mission, no doubt. even though he was on the ground only a fewer hours as richard eng engel pointed out. on the very day that the e.u. lifts its arms embargo, we knew that was going to happen. it reinforces the sense that the administration is behind the curve. john kerry meeting in paris with the russians to try to talk them into another round of negotiations. yet the russians are still arming the syrian regime. >> well, the word, i mean what we know from the white house and from the great white house correspondents and the bureau is that the president is really adamantly opposed to any kind of intervention. he's leading this policy. and mccain has been out there for a year at le
let's talk about syria and john mccain. elizabeth mueller is here who has covered all the foreign policy beats and is now the deputy bureau chief for "the new york times" and chris celizza as well. >> elizabeth, the president now facing john mccain, sliding across the border, slipping across the border with the rebel groups into syria. a dangerous mission, no doubt. even though he was on the ground only a fewer hours as richard eng engel pointed out. on the very day that the...
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have you interrupted speeches by graham and mccain? >> we do protests in the offices of just the people that you have mentioned. on a regular basis. whether it is about guantanamo or it's about the drones. and we also have discussions with their chiefs of staff and sit down and have long talks with them. so we certainly do that. but it is much easier to talk to our elected officials in congress than it is to reach the president. we sent in 300,000 signatures to the president just last week around the guantanamo issue and you never hear a response even to that kind of overwhelming number of signatures. and on the drones issues, we have been out there in front of the white house on a regular basis doing protests. so it is very hard to reach the president but i think you're right. it is important for people to know that we are constantly trying to put pressure on the republicans in congress who are obstructionists on this issue as well as the democrats because let's remember, when the vote came for confirming john brennan as head of the c
have you interrupted speeches by graham and mccain? >> we do protests in the offices of just the people that you have mentioned. on a regular basis. whether it is about guantanamo or it's about the drones. and we also have discussions with their chiefs of staff and sit down and have long talks with them. so we certainly do that. but it is much easier to talk to our elected officials in congress than it is to reach the president. we sent in 300,000 signatures to the president just last...
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and that senator mccain disputed. if the president said it was an act of terror, why didn't that appear on the talking points? can the white house really have it both ways? that they say, he said act of terror. but a few days later, they take out the references. they felt confident about it if they sent the president out to say that. >> they created, through process, a document that everyone could agree upon. that's almost by definition in washington, something that is not as specific or conclusive. >> so, what they did is acceptable to you? >> what they did, i think, was try in a very chaotic situation, to come up with points that they felt confident of. they didn't want to go too far in two concepts. one, our intelligence resources or assets you might not want to disclose. second, the ongoing investigation was just beginning. those two factors also frame the response. i think again, when you talk about this sort of political dynamic, when the president comes out and says quite quickly, with the authority of his offi
and that senator mccain disputed. if the president said it was an act of terror, why didn't that appear on the talking points? can the white house really have it both ways? that they say, he said act of terror. but a few days later, they take out the references. they felt confident about it if they sent the president out to say that. >> they created, through process, a document that everyone could agree upon. that's almost by definition in washington, something that is not as specific or...
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has one solution, draft john mccain.is an one man seal team six or keating 5 which makes him an one man seal keating 11. if you believe dropping more bombs on mid eastern heads can be it, then you know this is the time to draft mccain. it takes a warmonger to guarantee all the safety of u.s. civil troops and mccain is such a bad ass he has a new action movie coming out "fast and furious 7 the turn signal never stops." what is important, he is the only man who can solve this and we know it because the morning news shows keep letting him tell us week after week after week after week. so send him "n" mccain, and lindsey graham will bravely volunteer to be his police one. that's "viewpoint" for tonight. i want to thank my panel. elo james white and a paul mecurio, and dean obeidallah. have a great evening good night, mom. >> joy: tonight barbara walters made her big announce amount that she is retiring. i have my own big announcement. there are mice in this building. who said al gore left us with nothing. and i'll sit down w
has one solution, draft john mccain.is an one man seal team six or keating 5 which makes him an one man seal keating 11. if you believe dropping more bombs on mid eastern heads can be it, then you know this is the time to draft mccain. it takes a warmonger to guarantee all the safety of u.s. civil troops and mccain is such a bad ass he has a new action movie coming out "fast and furious 7 the turn signal never stops." what is important, he is the only man who can solve this and we...
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you're looking at pictures of john mccain in syria.ossed the border from turkey and stayed in syria for several hours where he met with leaders of the free syrian rebel group. all part of a plan he apparently did not share with his daughter ahead of time. meghan mccain tweeting, quote, nothing quite like finding out via twitter my father secretly snuck into syria and met with rebel leaders. he has been the advocate, which makes sense given his history as the arm the rebels guy. >> we need to get a sanctuary for the free syrian army. we need to get them supplies, we need to get them weapons. >> i do believe as we have in the past, we can help facilitate weapons to get to the hands of the libyan military, those who are fighting against qadhafi. >> congress passed a law a couple of years ago, the administration has done nothing. we should help them with arms. >> if it's not a viable option, what if any military option would you think realistic and plausible? >> arming the bosnians, recognizing training has got to be a part of that. >> joh
you're looking at pictures of john mccain in syria.ossed the border from turkey and stayed in syria for several hours where he met with leaders of the free syrian rebel group. all part of a plan he apparently did not share with his daughter ahead of time. meghan mccain tweeting, quote, nothing quite like finding out via twitter my father secretly snuck into syria and met with rebel leaders. he has been the advocate, which makes sense given his history as the arm the rebels guy. >> we need...
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if it's sunday, you know john mccain is running his mouth about benghazi. congressman darrell issa wants to take everything behind closed doors now all of a sudden. and a former bush secretary of defense sets the record straight and comes forward and has some interesting words to say about hillary clinton. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> look at the mouth on this one. >> no kidding. >> i would call it a cover-up. >> i think that's nonsense. >> it just doesn't seem like there is a cover-up. >> and i think the american people will think it's nonsense. >> i would call it a cover-up in the extent that there was willful removal of information. >> our intelligence committee will have a report and i hope we will put some of these things to rest. >> it's really about one thing and one thing only. >> secretary clinton -- >> secretary clinton -- >> secretary clinton -- >> and my concern is, when hillary clinton's name is mentioned 32 times in a hearing -- >> secretary clinton. >> secretary clinton. >> everyone knows this is just a partisan witch hunt. >>
if it's sunday, you know john mccain is running his mouth about benghazi. congressman darrell issa wants to take everything behind closed doors now all of a sudden. and a former bush secretary of defense sets the record straight and comes forward and has some interesting words to say about hillary clinton. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> look at the mouth on this one. >> no kidding. >> i would call it a cover-up. >> i think that's nonsense....
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john mccain, back in a moment. stay with us. adam grant is here. at age 3-d 1 he is the youngest tenured and highest rated professor at wharton. his subject is organizational psychology. it is the study of behavior in business and industry. google, goldman sachs and the u.s. military have sought his help to enhance their performance. in a recent cover story for the "new york times" magazine susan dominus writes "in some sense he has built a career of professional motivation by trying to unpack the puzzle of his own success." he has a new book called "give and take: a revolutionary approach to success." i'm pleased to have adam grant at this table for the first time. welcome. >> thank you, i'm honored to be here. >> >> rose: here's the book. give and take. and here is the cover story. is giving the secret to getting ahead? make the case for giving. >> well, i think the first thing to do is divide the world into givers, takers, and matchers. the takers are those people that a lot of us love to hate, who try to get as
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nick, what do we know about senator mccain's trip to syria? >> reporter: it seems to be reasonably brief, crossing over from turkey heading it seems about a kilometer inside syria. i've been there myself, it's mostly refugees on the other side of the border and quite a distance until you get to the first major heavily bombarded city. he appears to have met the heads of the supreme military council, the governing body. they clearly spoke, had meetings with other activists from the other cities around syria, too. but one of the main ngos that took him in, the syrian emergency task force, declared that part of the purpose was to show it's possible to get inside syria, that it's not too dangerous, that it's not overrun by extremists. of course this visit putting clear pressure, though, on the obama administration, wolf. >> how significant is it for a major united states senator to show up with the rebels in syria? >> reporter: well, it gives a degree of credibility. it gives the idea that perhaps there's a rebel-held area in the north that can be
nick, what do we know about senator mccain's trip to syria? >> reporter: it seems to be reasonably brief, crossing over from turkey heading it seems about a kilometer inside syria. i've been there myself, it's mostly refugees on the other side of the border and quite a distance until you get to the first major heavily bombarded city. he appears to have met the heads of the supreme military council, the governing body. they clearly spoke, had meetings with other activists from the other...
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mccain is an advocate for strong or u.s.els forces and their fight against syrrian president bashar al assad . the united nations estimates that more than 70,000 syrians have been killed in the civil war. mccain is the highest-ranking elected officials from the u.s. to visit the war-torn country. >> the european union has said its arms embargo is serious outgunned rebels. just as top u.s. and russian diplomats try to persuade syria's opposition and president bashar assas regime to attend peace talks in geneva. the diplomatics move, accompanied by an unannounced visit to senator john mccain to rebel forces and syria and to put more pressure on him to seek a negotiated settlement in serious two years old civil war. >> a maureen wanted and attacks a shooting spree was killed in a shootout with state law-enforcement. the parties say to a trio est aban smith killed a woman and injured eight concho county sheriff's and four others in texas. they say smith shot one person in eden at 4:30 a.m., two people in brady, then went back to
mccain is an advocate for strong or u.s.els forces and their fight against syrrian president bashar al assad . the united nations estimates that more than 70,000 syrians have been killed in the civil war. mccain is the highest-ranking elected officials from the u.s. to visit the war-torn country. >> the european union has said its arms embargo is serious outgunned rebels. just as top u.s. and russian diplomats try to persuade syria's opposition and president bashar assas regime to attend...
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mccain: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from arizona. mr. mccain: mr. president, just briefly, we've been through it before. in a nutshell, what the senator from utah has just said, that is if we pass legislation, if the house passes legislation that we will not go to conference unless certain conditions are imposed on those conferees that happen to be important to a group, a small group of the united states senators. obviously that will paralyze the process here. obviously you can predict the outcome. the senator from utah keeps talking about backroom closed-door deals, it's the process of the senate to appoint conferees and the house to appoint conferees, and those conferees come to agreement and then subject their agreement to an overall vote of both bodies. if the -- if the senator from utah wants to get rid of the -- quote -- "backroom" all of the other adjectives and adverbs that he used, then what is -- what is the process? what is the process? how do we reconcile legisla
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senator john mccain made a surprise visit to the region in order to speak with syrian rebel forces well as many on capitol hill continue to struggle with how to tackle this conflict artie's political commentator sam sachs explores how looking at the past may give us an insight on how to handle the future. senator john mccain snuck into syria over the weekend to meet with rebel commanders he talked about providing them heavy arms in air support in their civil war against president assad but these aren't just empty promises since february mccain and his buddies senator lindsey graham have been pushing plans to arm the syrian rebels and last week thanks to mccain's efforts the senate foreign relations committee overwhelmingly approved legislation to do just that to arm the rebels you see mccain has taken the role of charlie wilson in this war you remember charlie wilson right here is the congressman from texas who arm twisted congress to approve billions of dollars in military support back in the one nine hundred eighty s. for the afghan mujahedeen in their fight against the soviet union h
senator john mccain made a surprise visit to the region in order to speak with syrian rebel forces well as many on capitol hill continue to struggle with how to tackle this conflict artie's political commentator sam sachs explores how looking at the past may give us an insight on how to handle the future. senator john mccain snuck into syria over the weekend to meet with rebel commanders he talked about providing them heavy arms in air support in their civil war against president assad but...
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i want to get to in john mccain's visit to the serious. jen, did president obama know about this visit? did john mccain make him aware of it? and did the president sign off on it? >> he made him generally aware of his trip and something completed, we look forward to hearing from him, a follow-up as to the developments he saw on his trip. when you say generally aware, how many days' notice did senator mccain give? >> that i'm not aware of, but something the state department and the white house were both aware of. you know, like i said, we look forward to hearing from him about what he learned on the trip. >> senator mccain met with opposition forces, they want president obama to get more engaged in syria, they want him to send weapons to opposition forces, possibly to create a no-fly zone. does senator mccain's trip put pressure on president obama to take some of those actions? >> i don't believe his trip puts more pressure on us. all of the options you described are what the administration is considering in terms of how we deal with syria
i want to get to in john mccain's visit to the serious. jen, did president obama know about this visit? did john mccain make him aware of it? and did the president sign off on it? >> he made him generally aware of his trip and something completed, we look forward to hearing from him, a follow-up as to the developments he saw on his trip. when you say generally aware, how many days' notice did senator mccain give? >> that i'm not aware of, but something the state department and the...
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you know while one of the strongest american supporters of the syrian opposition senator john mccain has made an announcement made an unannounced rather visit to the country to meet with rebel officials mccain has been calling on washington to arm the rebels and even intervene in syria with air power raising doubts that u.s. leaders really want to see a diplomatic solution. all these agitations against assad started in two thousand and three at least what's known to us openly and that there was if lived an article written in the time magazine in december of two thousand and six which mentioned there had been secret meetings going on and they cited some secret documents in which it was stated that the opposition was being new to it in europe was that and i could support so this next we know that at the same time we know that john mccain senator mccain is always he went to syria to meet with the free syrian that gratian army whatever they like to call them the opposition so america is involved in all this i don't believe america wants a peaceful resolution to the conflict america's sta
you know while one of the strongest american supporters of the syrian opposition senator john mccain has made an announcement made an unannounced rather visit to the country to meet with rebel officials mccain has been calling on washington to arm the rebels and even intervene in syria with air power raising doubts that u.s. leaders really want to see a diplomatic solution. all these agitations against assad started in two thousand and three at least what's known to us openly and that there was...
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senator mccain is always he went to syria to meet with the free syrian aggression army whatever they like to call them the opposition so america is involved in all of this and i think russia is probably finding homes itself without a partner and a reputable reliable partner to discuss syria with. indeed and the u.k. and france push for an end to the arms embargo didn't they but what should the governments be wary of weapons falling into the wrong hands. oh well it depends in fact a former israeli intelligence chief in february this months in this year i'm sorry did say the israeli policy for i'm going to we have syria exactly where we want it not in so many words but the fact that the syrian military is in templating and they're no longer a force to reckon with is a great it's to their advantage and and they're aware of al qaeda. and i would actually being in syria but they reckon that this is far easier for them to deal with than the might of the syrian army and i think there should be no doubt why the uprising in syria started many would like to push the narrative that it was to we
senator mccain is always he went to syria to meet with the free syrian aggression army whatever they like to call them the opposition so america is involved in all of this and i think russia is probably finding homes itself without a partner and a reputable reliable partner to discuss syria with. indeed and the u.k. and france push for an end to the arms embargo didn't they but what should the governments be wary of weapons falling into the wrong hands. oh well it depends in fact a former...
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mccain is one of the most outspoken supporters of arming syrian rebels.clear to him they are not happy with the lack of u.s. support. alex marquardt, abc news, beirut. >>> even though it was memorial day, there was no rest for those working to clean oklahoma's tornado zone, including members of the military. some of them are in the thick of things, removing debris from devastated neighborhoods, passing out supplies to volunteers and said it's all part of their mission. >> i joined the military to serve, i didn't join to sit on the couch on memorial day. >> great attitude. obviously plenty to keep them busy. last week's storm caused more than $2 billion in damage. it destroyed 1,200 homes and damaged ten times that many. >>> there were some scary moments in central illinois as a powerful thunderstorm roars through. it damaged dozens of homes. and brought down trees and power lines. thousands were left without power. utility workers say they just don't know when the power will be fully restored because the damage is just so widespread. >> as for today's wea
mccain is one of the most outspoken supporters of arming syrian rebels.clear to him they are not happy with the lack of u.s. support. alex marquardt, abc news, beirut. >>> even though it was memorial day, there was no rest for those working to clean oklahoma's tornado zone, including members of the military. some of them are in the thick of things, removing debris from devastated neighborhoods, passing out supplies to volunteers and said it's all part of their mission. >> i...
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while russians attempt to negotiate. >> but mccain wants the u.s. to implement a no fly zone to change the situation on the ground. >> unless asad is convinced that the battlefield situation will not be in his favor, in other words, if he believes he can survive, i do not believe he will seriously negotiate. >> the fighters could soon have more support. late last night the european union voted to ship weapons to syria's out gunned rebels. cbs news, washington. >> we're going to go back to our breaking news at the top of the hour here in san francisco. >> three people wounded in a drive by shooting in the mission district. elissa harrington just arrived in the bay view district where a suspect is apparently in custody. and also an officer was injured. >> reporter: that's right. good morning. we're on the 1200 block right by candle stick park. where we learned an officer was injured in a vehicle accident. the officer was chasing the suspect when the collision occurred. an ambulance did get to the scene and they are being transported. police say they d
while russians attempt to negotiate. >> but mccain wants the u.s. to implement a no fly zone to change the situation on the ground. >> unless asad is convinced that the battlefield situation will not be in his favor, in other words, if he believes he can survive, i do not believe he will seriously negotiate. >> the fighters could soon have more support. late last night the european union voted to ship weapons to syria's out gunned rebels. cbs news, washington. >> we're...
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senator mccain wants more to be done for the rebels. senator mccain specifically wants weapons to start flowing to the rebels and today that may look a little bit more likely after the european union announced it's lifting an arms embargo on syria making it legal for european nations to give or sell weapons. to the syrian opposition. richard engel, nbc news, beirut. >>> in the wake of controversy plaguing the white house, president obama is taking a detour to the jersey shore today. he'll survey of progress of rebuilding along the coastline with governor chris christie. it's a replay of a scene we saw right after hurricane sandy and just days before the president's re-election in november. nbc's tracie potts is in washington with a preview. tracie, good morning. >> reporter: good morning. think about the impact that picture had days before the election, a democratic president getting a pat on the back from a republican governor who's been touted as a possible 2016 presidential candidate. that seems to have a bit of a boost for president
senator mccain wants more to be done for the rebels. senator mccain specifically wants weapons to start flowing to the rebels and today that may look a little bit more likely after the european union announced it's lifting an arms embargo on syria making it legal for european nations to give or sell weapons. to the syrian opposition. richard engel, nbc news, beirut. >>> in the wake of controversy plaguing the white house, president obama is taking a detour to the jersey shore today....
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senator john mccain believes president obama should do more.or mccain says he was provided security for the visit by the state department, as well as some opposition forces. senator mccain, former presidential candidate and senior senator from arizona joins us tonight. >> the first u.s. senator to travel to syria since this conflict began more than two years ago. what was it like, first of all, to be there? >> it was a very moving experience to meet these fighters who have been struggling now for over two years, and they're very aware of the battlefield situation, and they're very disturbed about the traumatic influx of hezbollah fighters, more iranians, and of course, stepped up activities of bashar al-assad. >> which rebel groups did you meet with and what was their message to you? >> the overall commander of the syrian resistance was my escort, and i had a long meeting. they selected the people that we met with, which was a group of battalion commanders, who were fighting as far away as aleppo and around syria. their message was, to be frank
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most of them were harsh on mccain, when mccain talked about his belief that -- not even defensively, just sort of aggressively that marriage is between a man and a woman, the entire room applauded. when these people got up and thanked him on the background check vote, the entire room applauded. it didn't seem in line with the polling that republicans didn't quite believe saying that all the members who voted against background checks saw their popularity decrease. something more important than what i saw is mary landrieu in louisiana and kay hagan in north carolina voted for the bill and were immediately attacked by republicans, just kind of knee-jerk assuming this would be bad for them. both of them have inched up in the polls. so democrats lost this vote because of -- for procedural reasons. they got 55 or 56 ayes for it but the way they framed it was popular. they just have not convinced enough republicans and enough red state democrats that it's in their interest to support it politically. they might have inched a little closer to that this week. >> dave weigel, slate political r
most of them were harsh on mccain, when mccain talked about his belief that -- not even defensively, just sort of aggressively that marriage is between a man and a woman, the entire room applauded. when these people got up and thanked him on the background check vote, the entire room applauded. it didn't seem in line with the polling that republicans didn't quite believe saying that all the members who voted against background checks saw their popularity decrease. something more important than...
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then today, senator john mccain put himself right in the eye of the storm. a brief secret trip into syria. he crossed in from turkey. he was accompanied by a free syrian army commander. he just stayed on the ground for a few hours. senator mccain wants more done to help the opposition. he wants a no-fly zone. he wants the rebels to be armed. today that looked a little more possible. the european union announced it was lifting an arms embargo making it legal for european nations to give or sell weapons to the syrian opposition. natalie? >> richard engel covering it on all fronts in beirut. thank you. >>> tonight, wide open spaces and worrying signs at the most popular vacation spots for american families. >>> later, making a difference with high honors and a time to reflect for our nation's greatest generation. >>> memorial day signals the kick-off for tourist season in the national park system. but from the shenandoah in the east to the haleakala in hawaii, visitors may discover the nation's parks are showing signs of wear and tear and are in real need of mo
then today, senator john mccain put himself right in the eye of the storm. a brief secret trip into syria. he crossed in from turkey. he was accompanied by a free syrian army commander. he just stayed on the ground for a few hours. senator mccain wants more done to help the opposition. he wants a no-fly zone. he wants the rebels to be armed. today that looked a little more possible. the european union announced it was lifting an arms embargo making it legal for european nations to give or sell...
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they're with snore mccain.rean fashion they're looking at things and drawing attention to a very good cause, a cause his mother championed before her death and had for a long time. it's his first visit to the united states in a year or, and i know you guys are big buddies, at least when he was in the military and you used to party together. >> we did used to party together. told him to keep his clothes on during the entirety of his visit. remember the trouble he got in vegas a year ago. >> shepard: peter is live in washington. i think you can take him in a fight. my money would be on you, peter. >> he has 0 -- 40 or 50 more bodyguards -- >> shepard: one-on-one, man, my bet is on you. >> thank you. i'm going tell him that. you'll get a kick out of this. right now prince harry is working around the rotunda, going station-to-station to these big murals with these photographs on it with senator mccain, and there are hundreds of young female staffers lining the hallways, and everytime he moves to a different picture
they're with snore mccain.rean fashion they're looking at things and drawing attention to a very good cause, a cause his mother championed before her death and had for a long time. it's his first visit to the united states in a year or, and i know you guys are big buddies, at least when he was in the military and you used to party together. >> we did used to party together. told him to keep his clothes on during the entirety of his visit. remember the trouble he got in vegas a year ago....
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is up sxort mccain is in favor of arming them. the obama administration is trying to negotiate a diplomatic resolution to the two year long battle. >> russia, the united states are deeply committed and remain committed trying to implement the geneva 1. but mutual consent. >> kerry says that would pave the way to decide the future of their country. >> a casting challenge here. which actress would you pick to play hillary clinton. >> more trouble on the high seas. >> i was terrified though. a lot of people are crying and freaking out. >> this time a fire breaks out on board. what's happening to the 2,000 plus passengers today? >> and a penguin on the loose. how this guy managed to escape his exhibit in sea world in orlando. it's all coming your way. >> closed captioning brought to you by visitors at seaworld in orl got some extra excitement this weekend when a penguin jump >>> visitors at sea world in orlando got some extra excitement when a penguin got out of the water and took off. sea world employees surrounding the animal and ke
is up sxort mccain is in favor of arming them. the obama administration is trying to negotiate a diplomatic resolution to the two year long battle. >> russia, the united states are deeply committed and remain committed trying to implement the geneva 1. but mutual consent. >> kerry says that would pave the way to decide the future of their country. >> a casting challenge here. which actress would you pick to play hillary clinton. >> more trouble on the high seas. >>...
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mccain: mr.president, i ask unanimous consent that senators -- myself, senator levin, senator menendez, senator graham be allowed to speak in a colloquy for up to 40 minutes. the presiding officer: without objection, so ordered. mr. mccain: and if it's greebl - agreeable to senator levin, i say to my colleague from south carolina, if we could each make a brief opening statement, or maybe a six-, seven-minute opening statement, and then have a colloquy amongst us, would that be agreeable to the senator from michigan? mr. levin: mr. president, it is agreeable to me. my statement will probably be about seven or eight minutes. i think -- i don't know how long senator menendez -- was he the fourth senator who i think is glgoing to participate -- how lg his statement will be, i think 40 minutes will be enough. mr. mccain: i thank my colleagues and i want to thank my dear friend from south carolina whose efforts on another issue -- that of benghazi -- has brought the attention of the american people to
mccain: mr.president, i ask unanimous consent that senators -- myself, senator levin, senator menendez, senator graham be allowed to speak in a colloquy for up to 40 minutes. the presiding officer: without objection, so ordered. mr. mccain: and if it's greebl - agreeable to senator levin, i say to my colleague from south carolina, if we could each make a brief opening statement, or maybe a six-, seven-minute opening statement, and then have a colloquy amongst us, would that be agreeable to the...
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bush did john mccain was on a winning streak and if he had won south carolina he would have beat george every bush but in south carolina apparently karl rove engineer a push poll john mccain has a dark skinned daughter and they adopted from bangladesh and the photos she lacked and so there's a push poll that was run in south carolina the week before the primary and became was way ahead in the primary the said if you knew that john mccain had an out of wedlock daughter with a black woman would you still vote for him and they made sure those pictures got the newspapers and suddenly mccain drops a point ga. bush became the nominee and went on to become president that same kind of thing in the exact same state is happening right now the push poll happening would you vote for elizabeth colbert busch if you knew that she'd had an abortion she'd never had abortion would you know would you vote for her if you knew she was caught running up to begin to charge you know would you vote for if you judge held in contempt of divorce but it never had stuff that never happened what about the stuff that
bush did john mccain was on a winning streak and if he had won south carolina he would have beat george every bush but in south carolina apparently karl rove engineer a push poll john mccain has a dark skinned daughter and they adopted from bangladesh and the photos she lacked and so there's a push poll that was run in south carolina the week before the primary and became was way ahead in the primary the said if you knew that john mccain had an out of wedlock daughter with a black woman would...
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why is mccain freelancing like that? >> a good question.e right back at you, larry, this the presidential campaign of 2008 again? are we reviewing, bomb, bomb, bomb, iran? i can't explain the senator. he's a hero, a famous senator. he's one man. the national policy of the united states is far more important. it's incoherent, larry, i want to emphasize that, what i am told waiting to speak to you tonight from sources is fa moscow and jerusalem are of iagreement. washington is the outlier here. moscow and walk want the assad regime weakened and survived. the alternative is unacceptable. it's the jihad. it is washington reading the headlines. there is the quandary of russia's threat to ship the s-300s. there is no evidence they have been shipped. >> all i can say is i'm an amateur at this i adore john mccain. he's a great american. i think senator mccain should be working with the state department or president obama to physical out what the american policy is going to be. it sounds like the european union has a policy. it sounds like russia ha
why is mccain freelancing like that? >> a good question.e right back at you, larry, this the presidential campaign of 2008 again? are we reviewing, bomb, bomb, bomb, iran? i can't explain the senator. he's a hero, a famous senator. he's one man. the national policy of the united states is far more important. it's incoherent, larry, i want to emphasize that, what i am told waiting to speak to you tonight from sources is fa moscow and jerusalem are of iagreement. washington is the outlier...
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. >>> also, what senator john mccain saw inside his trip inside syria and the action he thinks americahould take right now. it's his first interview since leaving syria. he joins us in a "360" exclusive. mine was earned in djibouti, africa. 2004. vietnam in 1972. [ all ] fort benning, georgia in 1999. [ male announcer ] usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection and because usaa's commitment to serve military members, veterans, and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote. usaa. we know what it means to serve. ♪ even if it's so wrong ♪ i wanna scream out loud ♪ boy, but i just bite my tongue ♪ ♪ this one's for the girls messin' with boys ♪ ♪ like he's the melody and she's background noise ♪ [ volume decreases ] thanks, mom! have fun! you too. ♪ ♪ >>> minnesota congresswoman michele bachmann announced she is not going to seek re-election in 2014. a nearly nine-minute video on her website, bachmann said her decision was not impacted by her 2012 presidential campaign and sh
. >>> also, what senator john mccain saw inside his trip inside syria and the action he thinks americahould take right now. it's his first interview since leaving syria. he joins us in a "360" exclusive. mine was earned in djibouti, africa. 2004. vietnam in 1972. [ all ] fort benning, georgia in 1999. [ male announcer ] usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection and because usaa's commitment to...
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well, john mccain's not afraid of anybody.ut clearly ted cruz is ascendant at this moment and that speaks rather frightening things for the party and dole is justifiably worried. >> indeed he is. >> since you invoked sigmund freud. they want to work with a man who has enough common sense to reach out to the other side of the aisle. >> professor michael eric dyson has completed the freudian. dana milbank. thank you so much. >>> we have brightening images of a train derailment outside baltimore this afternoon. a csx train derailed causing a fire and the collapse of several nearby buildingses. no fatalities are being reported at this time, but of course we'll keep you up to date as this story develops. >>> coming up, the senator in syria. is it a wise move? we'll take on that delicate story next. stay with us. to angie's list first. you'll find reviews on home repair to healthcare written by people just like you. with angie's list, i know who to call, and i know the results will be fantastic. angie's list -- reviews you can trust
well, john mccain's not afraid of anybody.ut clearly ted cruz is ascendant at this moment and that speaks rather frightening things for the party and dole is justifiably worried. >> indeed he is. >> since you invoked sigmund freud. they want to work with a man who has enough common sense to reach out to the other side of the aisle. >> professor michael eric dyson has completed the freudian. dana milbank. thank you so much. >>> we have brightening images of a train...
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meanwhile one of the strongest you is advocates of the syrian opposition senator john mccain has made a surprise visit to syria for talks with the rebel leader with psoriasis can independent research and write to says washington is not entirely sincere when it calls whole peace talks. all these are you against assad started in two thousand and three at least what's known to us openly and there was if lived an article written in the time magazine in december of two thousand and six which mentioned there had been secret meetings going on and they cited some secret documents in which it was stated that the opposition was being nurtured in europe with the american support so this much we know at the same time we know that john mccain senator mccain is always he went to syria to meet with the free syrian abberation army whatever they like to call them the opposition so america is involved in all this i don't believe america wants a peaceful resolution to the conflict america's started it i don't think that senator mccain would take it upon himself to go to syria and research with the oppos
meanwhile one of the strongest you is advocates of the syrian opposition senator john mccain has made a surprise visit to syria for talks with the rebel leader with psoriasis can independent research and write to says washington is not entirely sincere when it calls whole peace talks. all these are you against assad started in two thousand and three at least what's known to us openly and there was if lived an article written in the time magazine in december of two thousand and six which...
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follow your line of thinking if it coincided with john mccain. war he wants you know what he wants a fly low fly zone we learn from libya what a no fly zone means it means twenty two thousand aerial attacks nine thousand of them targeting every target a kid on a motorcycle if necessary so mccain wants an all out war israel would like all out war but i think the russians and the iranians and the americans and the eventually be e.u. and the u.n. i looking at this different way and you know if you come to syria you'll see it's a little more complex and those who say they understand it all i think they don't i think there's plenty of confusion so i thought i'd bet on the only bright spot i see are the iranians the americans and the the russians are pushing with arab or he may be the others are peace program and plan and remember ball on the foreign minister said that the syrians will show up when they don't come to the table let al their short come let john mccain come they're all calm that's better than what's going on now it's got to be preceded by
follow your line of thinking if it coincided with john mccain. war he wants you know what he wants a fly low fly zone we learn from libya what a no fly zone means it means twenty two thousand aerial attacks nine thousand of them targeting every target a kid on a motorcycle if necessary so mccain wants an all out war israel would like all out war but i think the russians and the iranians and the americans and the eventually be e.u. and the u.n. i looking at this different way and you know if you...