and you were in the baltics and the ukraine and john mccain has always to that for me talking with maleeaders he always does she is the lead and she will go first. and he decided he would show the strong american might to russia and presented me first he went to mccain to give him a machine gun, true story gave lindsay graham a pistol and i thought what do i get? he gave me two daggers. that is a true story. but it reminded me again john mccain has been through everything in his life but he still sees the importance not just going with party but to reach out for country and that is what we have to think about. [applause] >> i imagine him to be a great traveling buddies. >> we have a lot of fun to make administration has maintained full funding to israel but it continues to look for big cuts in international affairs spending. how do you think congress will deal with the request for security? . . . . some of the bleakest times for foreign aid outside of israel. i think part of that is no one better than the community to make the case for refugees since israel was a haven for refugees out

. ♪ ♪ >>> meg han mccain is often the lone conservative voice on "the view."sident trump. here's 90 "nightline" co-anchor. >> when the sparks fly on "the view" -- >> you can be sure meghan mccain doesn't back down. >> i don't want to bed that just because i'm a republican, i'm offending you. >> she is holding her own against the veterans. >> i would like to have a real conversation about it. >> i don't know why you're saying you're offended by all republicans of the. >> the 33-year-old daughter of john mccain has emerged as a powerful republican voice in these tumultuous times. >>> people feel unheard by washington and underrepresented and there are a bunch of liberal elites judging them. and there are times i agree. i think people in the media are judging in a way that's not fair or accurate. >> at times, staking out lonely positions on the show. >> i am intensely pro-life. i am an nra member. >> do you feel that way? that you're the lone conservative in a field of nonconservatives? >> yeah, definitely. >> she's been in the political spotlight most of her lif

travelinglot of time with john mccain. he says to say hello, by the way. with senator mccain and graham, we spend the last new year's eve and we were in the baltics and john mccain has always stood up he would always say the club which are is the only democrat and she would go first. went tonted this and he lindsey graham and gave him a pistol. thought about what i would get and he gave me a couple of daggers. >> nice. no discrimination. >> john mccain has been through everything, but still sees the importance of not just going with party, but reaching out and thinking about country. what we have to think about we talk about this relationship. >> thank you. i imagine him to be a great traveling buddy. as you know, the administration has maintained full funding to israel, but looks for cuts in international affairs spending. how do you think congress deals , howa request for security do you -- thatthoroughly believe congress is going to stand up and fully fund the commitment to aid to israel. is the foreigng aid in general and i appreciated the jewish commu

with senator mccain and senator graham. we spent, not this last new year's eve but the one before that. we were in the baltics, something you've covered and ukraine. john mccain has always stood up for me. he always says senator klobuchar is the lead democrat. she will go first. first he went to mccain and gave him a machine gun. >> no discrimination. nothing at all. just reminded me again, john mccain has been through everything but he still sees this morning of not just going with party but reaching out and thinking of country. >> thank you. >> i imagine him to be a great traveling buddy. >> he is a lot of fun. i'll say that. it continues to look for big cuts in international foreign spending. how do you think congress will deal with the request for security, assistance to israel but overall foreign aids. how do you talk about the issue of maintaining spending on foreign affairs to your constituents at home. >> this is really timely question because we have the budget right before us coming up. i thoroughly believe that c

mccain. so i want to -- kind of say the other reason why i'm really proud is this is why i came to the united states senate. to work acrosso the aisle to address major issue ors and challenges to make a difference in the lives of some of the most vulnerable human beings in our country. we're here today on the cusp of passing bill that will provide victims a real opportunity to seek justice and recover damages from websites who profited on their pain of being sold for sex while also providing new tools to prosecutors including my former colleagues the state attorneys general to go after these sites and after their owners. again, i want to thank senator portman and senator blumenthal forhe tireless work in trying to fashion the right mix of diunderstanding of the importane of the communications decent city act to the development of this tool to make sure it is not used foroo tool for incredibly d actors who prey on most vulnerae among so driving this this bill and forging compromise was not eas

both mccain and his wife have taken on this issue of human trafficking through the mccain institute and through the work on the permanent subcommittee helping with this legislation. . . . .nd into on line trafficking led the investigation he would hear stories of on line sex trafficking and some of the injustices experienced by the survivors who have come to us back home in our states to testify here in the united states congress. you will hear about some of the calls from courts or in the country pass legislation to fix this p problem for the prosecuts and the u.s. attorneys and people back home who were eager to prosecute on these cases but can't because of the federal law. hear about the work of the commerce committee helping us, put common sense targets put through the regular order to be sure we would have not just the best legislative product that we would have by and for members of aisle. i want to commend senator john finn for doing that and appearing on this legislation last september.n to was supported in animus than the committee after making a few changes to the legislation

and that's senator john mccain. both senator mccain and his wife cindy mccain have taken on this issue of human trafficking through the mccain institute and senator mccain, through our work on the permanent subcommittee on investigations and also in helping us with this legislation. we wish they could be here for the final vote on this bill because i know john mccain is watching right now and wishing he could be here with us. and we look forward to his return here to this chamber. but i want to thank them on behalf of all of us for their hard work on this issue over the years. you'll hear from my colleagues today, mr. president, on a number of things we've done in this congress in this process of putting together the right legislative fix to be able to take away an immune itty unbelievably that some of these evil websites have under federal law to be able to sell people online. you'll hear about the 18-month investigation into online trafficking and into backpage.com. you'll hear about stories of online sex traffick

senator mccain and i were shivering. senator mccain said i need cheap prescription drugs because i have pneumonia now. [laughter] sen. flake: as we were standing there some guy rides by on a bike. it is the most surreal thing i have ever seen. cheryl and i were looking for the perfect place for a quiet getaway weekend and we are glad all of you could join us for that quiet time. i stand before you today the rarest of species -- the american conservative. americanus never trumpus. subgenus rino. there is a rumor we are endangered. i do not believe it. when the conservative party loses its grasp on the meaning of basic terms like the word conservative, that could be assigned we have taken a wrong turn somewhere. such as the conservative dilemma. say, hypothetically, in 2018 we have a libertine budget busting president who exudes chaos and dotes on authoritarians, who has replaced the state department with twitter, who lives in a golden palace when he is not in the white house, and he is the conservative. just for argument

john and i come i can't imagine a washington without john mccain.i sat with him for a couple of hours just a few weeks ago and reminisced about our time campaigning here and working in the senate. i managed in all of my time in the house, 12 years come to know have a confrontation with john mccain. he has a famous temper as we all know and hear about. i got to the senate and the very first vote i cast he came over and -- he was actually right, i was wrong but i got it. my colleagues said you had been initiated. but the very next day he was right there with his arm around me, and that i will miss. i will miss the, rotter he, not just from the senate but from friends that i knew in house , roderick. mike pence and i were elected to give it. we both ran think tanks, conservative think tanks during the 1990s. we knew each other than and then we were elected together. i spent a lot of time, , the 12 years in the house before he ran for governor and i ran for the senate, sitting with mike in virtually every state of the union address. one of them i rememb

you can -- >> john mccain is right now -- >> let me finish.you can respect what john mccain did and his service. he is still a politician that is a leader. you can criticize his policies. i'm sure he would want you to do that. >> john mccain right now is fighting for his life. >> absolutely. >> he has had bad health as of late. he served our country, is an american hero. this high school kid is basically trolling him on twitter at this moment. i don't think -- >> he shouldn't do that. john mccain got it wrong on gun control, that's another issue. he shouldn't be trolling john mccain. i understand what you are saying. he said, why do you take so many money from the nra. >> it was -- >> he didn't say, i only respect people when they are not captured. he said, why did you take so much money from the nra. >> when people apologize -- >> if the apology -- if it's an honest, real apology, yes. if it's not a real apology -- >> i tell you what the lesson is. >> just say i'm sorry, i was wrong. >> the people that i fight on the right, the people that i

david, back to john mccain, ana brought it up., he, too, expressed his real concerns about haspel because of interrogation methods used during another, george w. bush administration. how influential might he be? he is still undergoing his medical challenges, while in arizona, but he has already proven to be influential even from afar. >> what john mccain has to say about national security matters in particular carries a lot of weight and the administration has to work to get haspel confirmed simply because the republicans have a very thin 51-49 majority and they cannot count on all of their members to vote for haspel's confirmation, and i think you're going to see a lot of democrats join with some republicans that are concerned about her role in enhanced interrogation techniques or torture, depending on how you want to look at it. i think on mike pompeo that rand paul will be someone on an island unto himself, because if you look at pompeo's record, he is an internationalist. he's a hawk on russia. he understands the threat coming

and john mccain is fired the dismissal comes just before mccain was due to retire was his removal politically motivated we'll have a full analysis also coming up the standoff russia says it's to expel twenty three british diplomats this image fury inside the kremlin after the u.k. personally blamed president putin over the poisoning of a former russian double agent and his daughter on british soil. hi michelle henery thanks for joining me. another high level firing by the trumpet ministration former f.b.i. deputy director engine mccabe has been dismissed just before he was he to qualify for retirement became to work for the agency for over twenty years we'll get full analysis in a few moments but first here's a look at what happened. work as deputy director of the f.b.i. and drew mccabe played a key role in investigations into hillary clinton's e-mail affair and alleged russian involvement in the twenty sixteen election he stepped down in january but remained on the f.b.i.'s payroll he was fired twenty six hours before he would have become eligible for retirement the justice department acted

correspondent claire which is and joins us now from washington clear entry mccain had been only from the f.b.i. since january and he was fired just over a day before he was due to retire why get rid of the now well for the very reason you said the timing certainly looks like the point of firing him a day before he was meant to receive a full pension is meant to be a callous act he stepped aside earlier this year and letting him go have an impact on whether he receives his pension now it's important to see this in the wider context of what's been going on in washington this week the city's been abuzz about who's going to be the next to go from trump's cabinet we've seen a string of high levels of partners most recently of course with secretary of state rex tillerson who was unceremoniously fired earlier this week by tweets and so everybody's been asking who is going to be the next one and it looks like it's an john mccain would you say that his firing was justified or as some people allege is it part of a strategy by donald trump to silence his critics. well trump certainly sees it as

important anniversary for an exceptional american. 45 years ago yesterday our friend and colleague john mccain was released after more than five and a half years as a prisoner of war in vietnam. the hanoi hilton was a site of unspeakable brutality, but it was also a crucible of character where a brave patriot was tested and grew into a generational leader. here in the senate, we're not only grateful that john mccain was welcomed home, we are especially grateful that he answered yet another call to serve, bringing that leadership to this body for more than 30 years. his leadership, his example are as important today as they have ever been. now, mr. president, on another matter, yesterday the president named larry cudlow as the next head of the economic council. larry is well known as a happy warrior for pro-growth economics and widely respected for his expertise in fiscal policy. the country will be lucky to have larry serving in this role. i look forward to continued engagement with the white house team. it will now benefit from his insight. speaking of highly qualified personnel, here in the

very, very strong words from senator john mccain.eff zeleny, our senior white house correspondent, is with us joining the panel as well. the president issued a relatively positive statement about putin and that deeply angered senator mccain. >> it certainly did. when you listen to the president's words there, it's so clear what he's not talking about. he's not talking about the sanctions issued by his own treasury department just last week. he's not talking about the attack that happened in the united kingdom there. he's talking as though he is a leader of a democracy somewhere else not given the context of russia. again, it falls on senator john mccain to recount the conversation. it reminds me of sarah sanders being asked the question was putin a friend or foe, and she really had a hard time answering that. he has never, or seldom, done any scolding at all for the bad things he's done. >> and the kremlin put out a phone conversation that the president had with president putin. the president never mentioned the poisoning of this ex-

to which meghan mccain, daughter of john mccain replied "my father doesn't need torture explained tohim." >> it's tough and personal and one of the most poignant and intense debates, policy debates i've covered was when i was on the hill and cover iing the pushback of his fellow republicans in the white house and the enhanced interrogation techniques dick cheney, liz cha cha cheney's father, was a big proponent of that. having said that, having followed john mccain particularly and knowing some of the details about the way he was tortured when he was in the hanoi hilton when he was held prisoner for five and a half years he says over and over it doesn't work and he knows as megan eluded to firsthand so at the end of the day this is going to be revisited because we are 17 years after -- almost 17 years after 9/11. people are looking at it from a little bit more perspective and without the innate fear that everybody had post-9/11 and gina haspel, the new nominee to be cia director, is going to have to answer important questions and how she answers those questions could make or break wh

twitter account always hyper sensitive to all things putin blew up it was mccain teed off president trump insulted every russian citizen he was denied the right to vote in a free and fair election to determine the country's future probably best not to show mccain the margin by which putin won he's old and frail but twitter o'boy twitter do not can gradually.

. >> to republican senator john mccain, that was unacceptable. mccain said in a statement today, "an american president does not lead the free world by congratulating dictators on winning sham elections and by doing so," mccain says "with vladimir putin, president trump insulted every russian citizen, including the countless russian patriots who risked so much to protest and resist putin's regime." there is a lot the president did not say to putin. in his own description of that phone call, president trump makes no mention of russia's assault on the united states or that recent alleged poisoning of a former russian spy in the uk. so just to be sure reporters at the white house ask eed press secretary sarah huckabee sanders if president trump held putin accountable for anything. >> did the president not raise the issue of russian next meddling in that phone call? >> i don't believe it came up on the specific call. >> i'm curious, did the recent poisoning in the united kingdom come up in the call? >> i don't believe that was discussed in today's ca

i'm not sure they took on john mccain again there. bottom line, the president not willing to go there. >> what's so interesting, too, brooke, this used to be a party that confronted the russians and but for john mccain and a few other sometimes, lindsey graham tweeted yesterday about it being a sham election. something, actually, pretty aggressive. but for just a handful of them really, who in the republican party stands up at moments like this and confronts vladimir putin anymore? they've gone silent in the face of trump's silence. that is a huge turnaround, the early vetting trump's cabinet in the hearings for rex tillerson and others they took a tough line on this. in the months and year that's followed they've got pretty mute on it. >> at least those who aren't leaving president they've got mute especially the president taking on bob mueller, the special counsel. the briefing was on this mueller probe and sarah sanders was asked about trump's tweets over the weekend where really for the first time he took on bob mueller, calling h

megan mccain. >> sen.cain recently urged folks to take a look at gina hassell's record after she was nominated to head the cia. the daughter of dick cheney countered that on twitter saying the enhanced interrogation program saves lives, prevented attacks and produced until that led to usama bin laden. sen. john mccain was tortured as a prisoner of war during the vietnam war causing megan mccain to say on twitter my father doesn't need torture explained to him. the daughters of two prominent politicians getting to it on twitter. >> nancy pelosi doesn't like the idea of the wall. >> house minority leader nancy pelosi questioned the height of the proposed border wall calling it uncivilized. >> did you see how high it is? really. in a civilized society we do something like that. >> he called the height of the wall of noxious, nancy pelosi complaining the wall is too high it must between 10 feet too low. and other twitter user says how tall is the wall around nancy pelosi's house, retire, nancy, your time is pa

breaking news this afternoon on senator john mccain.esident trump on blast after the president congratulated vladimir putin on his election victory. that russian election widely considered a sham. why is the president congratulating the man who meddled in the u.s. election? we'll go there next. liberty mutual saved us almost $800 when we switched our auto and home insurance. liberty did what? yeah, they saved us a ton, which gave us a little wiggle room in our budget. i wish our insurance did that. then we could get a real babysitter instead of your brother. hey, welcome back. this guy, right? (laughs) yes. ellen. that's my robe. you could save $782 when liberty stands with you. liberty mutual insurance. my healthy routine helps me feel my best. so i add activia yogurt to my day. with its billions of live and active probiotics, activia may help support my digestive health, so i can take on my day. activia. now in probiotic dailies. the dual adjustability of the sleep number bed allows each of you to adjust to your ideal level of firmnes

megan mccain, daughter of senator john in mccain says she is cautiously operattimistic wi her fatherng to the senate. he was originally expected to return to the senate in january. he was unable to do so in order to continue his chemotherapy treatment in arizona. but a according to his daughter, the 81-year-old has made strides if his recovery. >> do you think he'll be back in the summer? maybe? >> i really hope so. you know, i mean, he's doing really well and i'm not just giving you lip service. but i mean, as everyone knows, he is doing really good, much better than i think people anticipated. i wish i had an exact date. but with all of it, i just don't. i am very, very cautiously optimistic about the summer, yes. >> good to have some optimism for john mccain and his feel. >>> switching goeears here, a n study on the long-term effects of space travel on the body. this involved the twins. upon returning, scientists found that scott was no longer identical to his brother in that 7% of his genes experienced a, quote, ub expected change, what they call space change thought to result fr

friend mccain is a great . i've known him since 1978. tease him all the time because when i go to hanoi, if you drive to the west like you will see that memorializes were john mccain went into the lake. i like to tease john that he is the only american that has a memorial to him inside vietnam. morrison the guy who tried to kill mcnamara, also has a plaque. >> that does not surprise me. down, igetting shot guess there are reasons the micro plaque there. -- they might put a plaque there. host: explain that story. >> i don't want to much about it. i saw the plaque of that, of an american who tried to kill mcnamara. considered a hero in parts of vietnam. host: let's get back your phone calls. fred from austin, texas. where and when did you serve? caller: i served in 1970-71. of combat infantryman out carried the m-16 machine gun in the bush, the mountains and the rice patties. who iscombat infantryman over there and suffer through all of that, the one thing that really irked me, the politicians were making the rules of engagement. toward th

friend mccain is a great . i've known him since 1978.ease him all the time because when i go to hanoi, if you drive to the west like you will see that memorializes were john mccain went into the lake. i like to tease john that he is the only american that has a memorial to him inside vietnam. morrison the guy who tried to kill mcnamara, also has a plaque. >> that does not surprise me. down, igetting shot guess there are reasons the micro plaque there. -- they might put a plaque there. host: explain that story. >> i don't want to much about it. i saw the plaque of that, of an american who tried to kill mcnamara. considered a hero in parts of vietnam. host: let's get back your phone calls. fred from austin, texas. where and when did you serve? caller: i served in 1970-71. of combat infantryman out carried the m-16 machine gun in the bush, the mountains and the rice patties. who iscombat infantryman over there and suffer through all of that, the one thing that really irked me, the politicians were making the rules of engagement. toward the

mccain himself came out in a very lengthy statement a pretty extraordinary rebuttal against the trump administration saying that he was being targeted because of his involvement with what this administration always seems to circle back to the firing of former and. the i directed james komi last summer we know that feels like it was centuries ago but the this is a theme that you know i mean up in this administration and i'll just read out a little bit of the his statement here he said that he was being attacked on his credibility and it's part of a larger effort to slander me personally taint the f.b.i. and law enforcement and intelligence professionals more generally and we know that trump has been attacking the f.b.i. are a lot since this investigation led by special counsel robert mueller started up after james comey was fired again a lot of letters to settle these. as russia investigation komi they do attract from the trumpet ministration and mckay has said that he's his firing is part of an ongoing i mean quite an ongoing war against the f.b.i. has he said anything else exactly wh

to all things putin blew up it was mccain teed off president trump insulted every russian citizen who was denied the right to vote in a free and fair election to determine their country's future probably best not to show mccain the margin by which putin won he's old and frail but twitter o'boy twitter do not congratulate actually trended and they came up with some pretty funny stuff do not stare into the sun followed by a picture of donald trump apparently staring into the sun that silly and not good for you then a picture of mike pence touching something that clearly has a do not touch sign on it funny because he shouldn't be doing that and this guy has do not congratulate on his organ donor card so if he dies don't congratulate him get it come to think of it i've seen funniest stuff but it's trump they'll take it and. force any opportunity to bash him even if he does something normal that's called protocol and there are many countries from around the world that when someone. wins if you will an election that you pick up the phone and you place that phone call angle of merkel and ema

to vote in a free and fair election to determine their country's future probably best not to show mccain the margin by which putin won he's old and frail but twitter o'boy twitter do not congratulate actually trended and they came up with some pretty funny stuff do not stare into the sun followed by a picture of donald trump apparently staring into the sun that silly and not good for you then a picture of mike pence touching something that clearly has a do not touch sign on it funny because he shouldn't be doing that and this guy has do not congratulate on his organ donor card so if he dies don't congratulate him get it come to think of it i've seen funniest stuff but it's trump they'll take it and for. force any opportunity to bash him even if he does something normal that's called protocol and there are many countries from around the world that when someone. wins if you will an election that you pick up the phone and you place that phone call angle of merkel and emanuel macro also congratulated putin many others did too some god like for it some didn't it's nothing personal but thing t

for torture camps, megan mccain shot back and said, my father doesn't need torture explained to him.uch. >> you know, snapchat is in more hot water after rihanna urged followers to trash the app, after it had a game called would you rather, and they asked if you would rather slap her or bunch chris brown. bad taste. they noted that it was insensitive because rihanna was assaulted by brown. and chelsea clinton weighed in, it was awful that any company would approve of this. the shares of the parent company went down by 4.7%. the company has apologized and removed the ad, but it's been getting a lot of bad press. >> this does not help at all. >> still ahead, the seven places women earn more money than men and the buzzer beating bracket butters. we have the upsets from day one of the ncaa tournament, next, you are watching "early today." at walgreens, how we care will change over time, but why we care remains the same treating everyone with the care and attention they deserve. walgreens. trusted since 1901. the smoother the skin, the more comfortable you are in it. and now there's a new

now, meghan mccain is sharing the view from her side of the desk. that's next on "world news now."t's next on "world news now." but zzzquil is different have pain medicine because why would you take a pain medicine when all you want is good sleep? zzzquil: a non-habit forming sleep-aid that's not for pain, just for sleep. >>> live look as the storm begins to barrel down in the early morning hours here on the east coast. many cities are in the target zone. >>> it would be easy for meghan mccain to use that famous last name, her dad's connections to get by in life, but the 33-year-old is making a name of her own on daytime tvs fight club, "the view." >> here is juju chan. >> i am offended. >> reporter: when the sparks fly on "the view," you can bet meghan mccain is isn't about to back down. the 33-year-old daughter of arizona senator, john mccain has emerged as a powerful republican voice in these tumultuous political times. >> people feel unheard by washington and underrepresented and there's a bunch of liberal media elites sitting back and judging them and quite frankly, there are

very strong words from senator mccain. >> senator mccain is ill and frail but he is not holding backn it comes to speaking out about this president and what he sees as egregious behavior. john brennan, i want to ask you a couple quick questions. first of all, you thought it was possible that the russians had something on donald trump. director of the c.i.a. until 2017, is that speculation or are you talking with information? >> no. i'm saying that perhaps the russians have something and that's why mr. trump is concerned. mr. trump knows better than any one of us whether or not the russians may have something on him. so, i think it's very difficult to try to explain his behavior and why he has taken this position vis-a-vis vladimir putin personally, so one can again speculate that maybe there's something there. >> you've worked for six american presidents, both republican and democrat. have you ever spoken out in the way that you are doing now against one of your former bosses? >> no. this is the second time that i've retired. the first time i didn't speak out at all. i said some thin

ron paul, also john mccain. john mccain says, the torture of detainees in u.s.ustody is one of the darkest chapters in american history. ms. haspel needs to explain the nature and extent of her involvement in the cia's interrogation program during this confirmation process. i know the senate will do its job and examining her record and her beliefs about torture and her approach to current law." i should note that today is actually 45 years ago today john mccain was released from imprisonment by the north the north vietnamese. he is somebody who knows something about torture. >> and i think those questions are fine. anything on her record is fair game to ask. but i think people who are going to focus on one aspect and not look at all of make her whole record, that is not how i would approach this. particularly because she has served with such distinction just in the last ten or 15 years since all of this has happened. >> ed: we talked about maybe bigger changes, but let's start with rex tillerson, somebody very keen on national security issues. what do you think

to all things putin blew up it was mccain teed off president trump insulted every russian citizen who was denied the right to vote in a free and fair election to determine their country's future probably best not to show mccain the margin by which putin won he's old and frail but twitter o'boy twitter do not congratulate actually trended and they came up with some pretty funny stuff do not stare into the sun followed by a picture of donald trump apparently staring into the sun that silly and not good for you then a picture of mike pence touching something that clearly has a do not touch sign on it funny because he shouldn't be doing that and this guy has do not congratulate on his organ donor card so if he dies don't congratulate him get it come to think of it i've seen funniest stuff but it's trump they'll take it and for. any opportunity to bash him even if he does something normal that's called protocol and there are many countries from around the world that when someone. wins if you will an election that you pick up the phone and you place that phone call angle of merkel and emanu

senator and chair richard burr has given haspel his support and senator john mccain who was tortured in vietnam says her confirmation should include a pledge to block any plan to reintroduce harsh interrogations. martha? >> martha: trace, thank you very much. my next guest sits on the house intelligence committee where he worked closely with mike pompeo before he became cia director. congressman pete king joins us now. good to see you this evening. obviously, one of the biggest reactions today. i think everybody sort of saw this coming. rex tillerson has even said in interviews, you know, i'm still here. but it felt in recent weeks as if he felt he was settling in. and yesterday he said, you know, word was out that he felt that he was going to be an integral part of the north korean talks. he appeared to be somewhat blind sided by this. >> apparently he was. again, i'm not familiar with what went on behind the scenes. i know for the last six or seven months. there was really this constant talk that rex tillerson was going to be stepping down and leaving the state department. he is ve

. >> john mccain is a war hero and he's on the same side of this. he says, there are things you do and things you don't do if you have a moral conscious. >> exactly, i agree 100%. and also at the same time, if you look at the cia's own inspector general report, not one single eminent threat was stopped because of the so-called enhanced interrogation techniques. >> because you believe when you interrogate someone, you might want them to say -- >> firsthand, a lot of the investigations came up to the same conclusion. so they came to the same conclusion. the the issue that we have today is an issue of, it's a moral issue. and it's also a legal issue. you know, maybe people had to do what they had to do at a very difficult time. that's a question, but also at the same time, we have to know from her what she feels about that. >> so if she did this while she was an employee of the cia and it was legal, that's a different story. >> there are a few issues that you just mentioned today. there's the issue of torture. but also the issue of the destruction of v