that is what we have to orchestrate with mccain-feingold that was my provision that was struck down with citizens united but it was even-handed. if bull's-eyes had to do it, that is one less level of financing of raising money. think about it. in the house of representatives overwhelming the majority has a leadership pac but it is another avenue to get money to candidates at a much higher level than the individual with the point* being not only raising money for their own campaign, they also have to raise this money for the leadership pac because it is expected that you will raise some much money and. >> if you want to be in power than you are expected. >> guest: it takes so much time and is another huge distraction. years ago when members of congress would be paid for speeches and so the whole schedule would revolve around the days they would give speeches on monday to friday battle to man they came to the conclusion that we could stop these and had an impact because then they had the people back in town. doing what they were supposed to do. that was one less level of raising money. bec

reform has to be a level playing field on both sides and that is so we had to orchestrate and mccain-feingold because of his start on the supreme court citizens united enemies the evenhandedness, so both sides had to do it. that's one less level of raising finance team. i think the majority have leadership pacs, but another avenue to get money to candidates in a much higher level than you can as an individual. the point being is not only raising money for their own can pain, they also have to raise this money for the leadership pac as it is expected that you'll raise so much money. >> if you want to be a power broker -- you are expected to deliver. >> guest: it takes so much time. it's another huge distraction. reminded me of the honorary issue years ago when members of the paper speeches and the whole schedule would revolve around the days to give speeches mondays and fridays. ultimately came to the conclusion we should be in the senate have been typed because people back in town. it's one less level of raising money because that is a huge time-consuming effort and not to a distraction. >> a

the best chance we have to start to chisel away at this was mccain feingold, the legislation on campaign finance reform. wasn't perfect but would have been supported the gwen obama of the out of public funding and went nuclear with the private cash it destroyed it. mccain was forced to go toe to toe with the private money fund raising against obama and that crushed it. i do think some segments of our society has to make it their business to try to change that aspect of how politics are done because all the rest of it is just speeches we are giving and pressure begins writing letters to members of congress seldom move them in any way. money talks and money runs the system and it is the bleak outlook and i don't mean to be passing out razor blades but it is a bleak situation. let's switch back and forth. go-ahead, whichever. >> you talk about the military drones but there are also end drones being used in this country like the fort dix which is one of the most egregious cases of these 500 muslim men in prison now where they use undercover agents provocateurs, use a lot of legal secret test

although it's kind of a sticky one when you get into campaign finance because every time we had mccain-feingold and now we have superpacs, and i'm not sure it was all that great to have something that says, okay, we want to control campaign funding but on the other hand now we have soup or pacs. -- super pacs. i do my job just fine. like congressman walker said, it's what your expertise is, what your reputation is. he wouldn't be practicing this long, none of the people here would be in this business more than a couple of years if we didn't have trustworthiness and be honesty and all the other things that members of congress rely on. so i think the more people that we can bring under that umbrella, the more people we can get to register the better off. and whenever we have to dangle -- whatever we have to dabbing l them, whether it's a stick or a carrot, i would like to see that done. >> okay. i'm going to open it up to the full q&a and ask anybody else if they have questions. yes. please say your name and who you're with. be. >> hello, everyone, my name is china dickerson, and i am a rising th

the best chance was mccain-feingold, and it was not perfect, but a step towards it. en obama opted out of public funding and went nuclear with the private cash, it basically destroyed it, and then mccain was forced to then go toe-to he toe with the private money fundraising gebs obama which crushed it. i do think that some segment of our society has to make it their business to try to change that aspect of how politics are done because all the rest of it is just speeches giving and pressure because writing letters to members of congress on the issues seldom tilts them in any way. it's money that talks and money runs the system, and so it is a beak jut look, and i don't mean to pass out razor blades, but it's a bleak situation. go ahead, whenever. >> you toxed about the military drones, but there's also legal drones used against our men in this country, like the -- probably one of the most egregious cases of the 500 muslim men in prison now, where they use undercover agent provocateurs, using a lot of legal or secret testimony, and these are kangaroo courts here in the

i take us back to campaign- finance reform, mccain-feingold, when they destroyed the power of the political parties. then at the house took away the to do earmarks. this is not a john boehner issue. this is the ability of the leadership to exert discipline. if you're going to have a speaker of the house and a house majority that has to work its will, and the way to be successful is by exerting discipline, you need to give the leadership those tools. they do not have them from a fund-raising or earmarked standpoint. host: based on that point, let me share with you the point from dana milbank on darrell issa's scandals -- guest: i think darrell issa has been very aggressive. host: too aggressive? guest: i think he has been fine. his job is the oversight chairman is to overdo oversight and to aggressively find out where there is wrongdoing. what i have always said about this irs thing, the problem was never the president calling the commissioner and saying, go investigate these people. what is at issue is a tax code that is unwieldy, too big, and it has too much power over people's lives. it i

i take us back to campaign- finance reform, mccain-feingold, when they destroyed the power of the politicalarties. at the house took away the to do earmarks. this is not a john boehner issue. this is the ability of the leadership to exert discipline. if you're going to have a speaker of the house and a house majority that has to work its bel, and the way to successful is by exerting discipline, you need to give the leadership those tools. they do not have them from a fund-raising or earmarked standpoint. host: based on that point, let me share with you the point from dana milbank on darrell issa's scandals guest: i think darrell issa has been very aggressive. host: two aggressive? guest: i think he has been fine. his job is the oversight chairman is to overdo oversight and to aggressively find out where there is wrongdoing. what i have always said about this iressa thing, the problem was never the -- this irs thing, the problem was never the president: the commissioner and saying, though investor -- go investigate these people. what is at issue is a tax code that is unwieldy, too big, and i