as jeff said you can say that about pretty much any as you and i want to like go back to mccain feingold john mccain had a great idea twenty five hundred dollars from ground zero that does it if you don't know sort of what i mean that's the argument against that of the corporation is it doesn't pass the constitutional muster and i don't think speech is money i think it's property i see the money i don't think money is speech i think it's probably will the supreme court i called the industries with you i'm not sure that's that's what you're about to make a right. if you agree you both agree with this record yes i do think that i'm not matter yes corporations should be people and who want to do many i mean a new and sort of ideological and philosophical discussion on this but who makes that corporations i mean what is a corporation and corporations are authorized by the was an individual states they are oh yeah your question is the way they are distracted but what is the who creates somewhere where does that come from secretary of state's office so it's clearly going to visit her but it's money that c

>> john mccain and i worked on mccain-feingold for so many years that a lot of people in wisconsin bought my first name was mccain. maybe that is true. it is interesting, tavis, that you said something that a lot of people believe, that mccain- feingold is gone. here is the thing. mccain-feingold is the only thing that is left. tavis: it is not gone. but it was to gut it? >> to gut the entire system. you build a foundation, put bricks on it, and then you put mccain-feingold on top of it, and then somebody comes and destroys all of the bricks under it, and that is all you have left is that one. we passed a law that said you cannot give unlimited campaign contributions to the political parties. it used to be called soft money, and members of congress were raising that money. we turned that into a federal crime. if anybody knows anyone doing that, that bunker that duke cunningham was in is ready. there was the system that was a place for many, many years. in fact, we had a system in 2006 and 2008 that was much better because mccain-feingold was in place. there were not these contributions, a

john mccain recently described these events. he said, "i predicted when the united states supreme court, with their absolute ignorance of what happens in politics, struck down the mccain-feingold campaign finance law, that there would be a flood of money into campaigns, not transparent, unaccounted for, and this is exactly what is happening." if you look at the 2006 and 2010 congressional elections where there wang a presidential race going on -- there wasn't a presidential race going on, after citizens united, in 2010 there was a fourfold increase in expenditures from super pacs and other outside groups compared to what occurred in 2006. with nearly three-quarters of that political advertising coming from sources that were prohibited from spending money in 2006 -- three-quarters of it. also in 2010, those 501-c-4 and 501-c-6 organizations spent more thank $135 million in unlimited and secret contributions. anonymous spending rose from 1% of outside spending in 2006 to 47% of outside spending in 2010, nearly half of the money spent through these outside organizations is anonymous and secret. if you look at the 2012 race that we're in right now, a presidential race, and compare