our panel joining me kit darby, mary schiavo, rob mccallum.his ship is on the scene, what is the process, how do they coordinate with the ship. rob, it would seem this is apples and oranges, the chinese ship using a hydrophone placed below the surface and this british ship having technology that can detect sounds 20,000 feet deep. how do they work together or conflict with one another? >> that's a question for the search commander to determine how they will be deployed. the most important thing for both vessels to keep in mind is to keep the area as quiet as possible. once the pinger locater she will need absolute silence to troll along and listen carefully for pinger noises from the black boxes. i don't think that's a lot from haixun, she's using a small pinger locater from the surface. >> mary, is it your opinion there's more to it than that. could that chinese vessel only be using the hydrophone or something else they are not revolleying. >> if they are just using hydrophone, they would have some theories, intelligence, number crunching why

david mccallum is one of those people.e are trying to do our small part to affect his. >> while david mccallum confessed, there was no physical evidence against him. >> the two teenagers had no chance with professional integrators. >> experts say there's evidence that his confession was forced. >> this is before d.n.a. evidence. one thing established is people falsely confess to cops. particularly young teenagers. >> they since uncovered d.n.a. from another person, but none from mccallum, giving him and his family new reason to hope. >> i just hope that my sop is able to come out and relate back into the world like, you know, mr carter did. >> one of the carter's lasts acts as he lay dying of prostate cancer was to write a letter to the brooklyn district attorney to reopen the case. >>> the brooklyn attorney will not open the case other than to say it's underreview. legally it's an uphill battle. the fact it it's getting a second look is enough to keep hope alive. >>> now, let's get the weather with everton. you'll have pe

also rob mccallum joins us an ocean search specialist. mary talk to me about the cell phone being on and getting a ping there whether or not he was trying to make a call. we don't have any indication. what does that dit you about altitude, about course, about direction? >> well, it can indicate a lot of things, or it can just pose a lot more questions and the first question of course what other information is out there. we have heard unequivocally no one tried make a phone call, no pings. i want does say at some point after the plane had made the turn that if it was down low enough for that plane and the cell phone on the plane to make contact with a cell phone tower it poses many possibilities not the least of which is that they descended to try to intentionally get a cell phone tower signal because something was wrong. that's one of the possibilities that comes up again, you know, in that scenario. you can think of nefarious scenarios too. we don't have any more information once again from the malaysian authorities. >> rob, do you think

mccallum, cnn analyst and ocean search specialist.ng to play examples of the sounds they're now listening for. the first is called a chirp pulse. listen. [ chirp pulse ] >> the other is called a pure pulse. [ pulsing ] >> all right? so those are the two things. those were played -- those were provided to us by paul ginsberg here. richard quest, come on in here. we want you to weigh in on this. we have been listening to the information that paul has been providing us about the search. and about the differences in how these black boxes could be programmed. their frequencies. obviously it's the same frequency, but they can be programmed so that you distinguish between one black box or another from different airplanes. >> well, they can be programmed so that they repeat every second. >> right. >> every second and a half. every half second. and that the burst duration can be programmed to different times. the frequency can be programmed. and whether or not it's a pure tone or a chirp so that each one can have a different -- a combination t

cnn analyst rob mccallum joins us from seattle.e is an ocean search specialist and professional expert digs leader with three decades of experience. really great to have you back on the program with me, rob. let's talk about this initial dive ending so abruptly on the bluefin. it begs the question is its capability enough for this missio mission? >> well, what we are seeing is it's right on the very edge of its operational parameters. you know, the machine is rated to 4500 meters. and, you know, it's limited by weather and because it operates autonomously, it is programmed if it has any issues, that it has to return back to the support ship. and these are some of the draw backs of operating with auvs. so, if we have good weather and if we don't go below 4500 meters and we can accept that it's, you know, a relatively tight search area, then the bluefin will be okay. >> all right. use your three decades of knowledge and tell me what you would do. are we using a technology, is there other technology or other devices that could be used

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rob mccallum and mary schiavo are joining me. rob, the bluefin-21 is expected to complete its search in the next few days. i don't know how to take this news. is it that there's a third left to search and, good news, we're going to find it there in the one-third that is left or is it, boy, they are almost done and they are coming up snake eyes, maybe this was the wrong place the whole time? >> well t. could be the wrong place altogether but we don't know that yet and we have to allow them to search the last 30% before we can make any sort of definitive decision on that. but it is becoming clear that the area is going to have to widen and it's going to have to widen to include all of the pinger locations or places where pingers were thought to be heard and then back along the arc of the aircraft track heading northward. >> was there too much optimism that the pings came from the black boxes? >> well, i think just the length of time that they have searched and not found anything would naturally put doubt on things but with the ping

let's bring in rob mccallum, david soucie, author of "why planes crash."ob, let's start with the bluefin-21, this underwater drone of sorts. even with a narrow search area, this is not going to be quick. explain how the bluefin mission will work and if it captures something that could be the wreckage, how that data gets to those above the water. let's ask that to david soucie. >> well, i'm not sure i'm qualified to answer that with rob sitting here next to me. he seems more qualified to answer that question but as far as how it goes, it's supposed to get down and get a swath but i understand that rob might have some questions about it. he knows something about the depth ability of that bluefin-21 and we've been talking about some concerns we have about the ability to reach that depth. >> let me ask you this, then, david. do you think they waited too long to switch to the bluefin? >> you know, i was thinking that at first because i was real certain that that battery wasn't going to last more than 35 days and they kept going on day after day and i felt so em

. >>> i want to bring in dave soucie and rob mccallum. the royal navy just withdrew the submarine from the search. does this mean that investigators are giving up entirely? >> no. i think it's a distribution of assets. it indicates to me that they are taking a little bit of time to regroup, make sure they understand where they are with it and then move forward again. i don't see something that it's something that they are giving up. i don't see it as anything giving up at all. >> the tireless submarine is giving up and the "echo" is going back to port to restock and refuel. do you believe that there's a waning sense of urgency in this search? >> yes, i do. there's always a sense of urgency in the beginning of a search, first to look for survivors or try to capture any debris or in this case pinger signals. but once those chances are gone, then there needs to be a tempo shift, if you like, and it's about accuracy rather than speed. whatever is done from now on, we need to make sure that once an area is being searched it can be ruled out of

i interviewed rob mccallum just a couple of days ago on this.d again, we were going with the knowledge that there was no confirmed wreckage, which there still isn't. and rob then told me this is what he called a big ask of this device. asking it to do something that it may not be quite equipped to do. it has the capability to do it. but it is a shot in the dark. and if this is indeed that kind of a discovery, it is extraordinary. and i think it's unprecedented. >> i'm wondering, do we still have matthew chance who is in perth? no matthew chance. thank you very much, brian. we appreciate that i'll get back now to my panel of experts here. so, again, this is miraculous if it is. maybe those who believe obviously are more so in mathematics than miracles will say it all has to do with the calculations that have been brought about by the malaysians, which angus houston said in the press conference that gave them that area, at least an area that was what, about 300 kilometers or so from top to bottom where the plane may have impacted the water. >> at

i'm joined by aviation analyst miles o'brien, ocean search specialist rob mccallum. gentlemen. >> hello. >> miles, is it time? malaysia put together this special team including people from the united states. why not then take the lead? >> i've been saying this all along that in the case of an incident like this, you need a nation that has demonstrated expertise in this particular kind of investigation. if you look the world over, there aren't many nations that have, and certainly no nation has more experience than the united states of america. i think probably it would be better if it was couched in terms of an international investigation, drawing on all the resources of places like australia, great britain, france, that all had very competent, similar structures than the u.s. does to investigate crashes. the bottom line is just because you can buy a 777 doesn't mean you have the expertise sitting in your country to investigate why it might have gone down. that's something i wish the malaysians recognized earlier. >> rob, i want to run down this team malaysia has ann

i just spoke to one of our experts, rob mccallum, an ocean search specialist.ieve that it would cost that much, but this gentleman in australia, mr. dolan, one of the search investigators, said this was maybe a ballpark rough estimate. it's hard to really imagine exactly how much the costs are going to be when all is said and done, but investigators do seem to be at a point where they may be taking stock of where they are right now. malaysia's transportation manager said if the search of the indian ocean doesn't find debris from the plane, he said there will come a time when we need to regroup and reconsider, but then he said the search will always continue. meanwhile, we do have some new information on the cost of this particular phase of the search. getting this from sources close to the operation. an official with naval sea systems command says the u.s. navy has budgeted about $3.6 million just for its portion of this particular operation. now, that $3.6 million covers the deployment of the blue fin, of the towed pinger locator, which found those underwater

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. >> let's bring in rob mccallum who helped in the search for air france flight 447 and david funk, a retired pilot for northwest airlines. welcome to both of you. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> australia's prime minister says they very much narrowed down the search area to within a few miles. i'm a little confused about that. seriously? have they narrowed it that much. >> the prime minister is privy to a lot more information than i am. that does sound a trifle overconfident. we're moving now into a world that's incredibly dark. working on a slope, working at incredible depths. we still have a little ways to go. he has room for confidence, but not exact confidence. >> room for confidence. the entire search area still the size of -- maybe a little smaller than new mexico now. then the prime minister seemed to intimate that the search area for the black boxes themselves is much smaller than that. is that what he meant, rob? >> he's saying -- he's implying that the pinger location is an area of high probability within the overall search area. again, we're not dealing in an exact en

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. >> and rob mccallum, cnn analyst and ocean search specialist.> morning. >> so michael, every hope dashed. the bluefin 21 is 90% done searching in that area. it's mind boggling, right? >> yeah, i think the whole time line that you've just described, carol, describes it beautifully. it's an incredibly unorthodox situation we've got here. it's unprecedented. we've never seen anything like it in aviation history. and i think what we've got just doesn't align to the norms of the way that accident investigations are conducted. i mane, if we just look at where we've got to, the inmarsat analysis is the center of gravity of this whole investigation. if we take the inmarsat analysis away, we don't have a lot. we've got very little, in fact. in fact, we've got a few radar traces which are uncorroborated from malaysia. we've got a little bit from thailand, nothing from indonesia. in the absence of inmarsat, we really are shooting in the dark here. i think inmarsat is the key. i think we really do have to go back and look at the southern arcs and the northe

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. >> ron mccallum helped lead the search for air france 447.ning. >> good morning. >> okay. so they shifted the search zone a little north, but not much. at this point, does it matter? >> oh, yes, i think it does matter. it shows that there's a willingness to take into account the latest information that they'll be getting from reinterpretation, or reanalysis of the handshake data. but also they are building on from the search efforts that have been undertaken to date. so it shows responsiveness. and it shows a willingness to try something new. >> you heard what the prime minister said. we're slowly getting pieces of this jigsaw puzzle to put together. then he said on the other hand, this is the most difficult search in human history. what are we to take from that? >> just that. that it's a vast body of water that we're dealing with. and there wasn't a lot of information to go on right from the beginning. in the case of air france, we had the information from the aircraft right up to the moment that it impacted the water which gave us a very go

miles o'brien, an ocean search specialist and rob mccallum. rob, let me start with you.underwater missions, what next? >> jake, that's a great question because there were a lot of hopes pinned on these pinger locations. the next logical state would be to rethink all of the information that we have at hand and then probably to do the last 370-odd miles of the flight path of the aircraft, perhaps 15 miles on either side of that. and you've seen the australians recently hinted a search area 370 miles by 30 miles. that's what that is all about. >> how large of a search area are we talking about in total, if it expands outside the original search arc? >> well, if it goes to that 370 by 30 miles, you're looking at just over 11,000 square miles. and there's two things that need to change. the first is that we need to go to deep towed sonar because it has gone from 15 miles a day and a towed will do a little more than that. people are starting to talk about cost structure and so we need more cost effective means of doing a broad scale search. >> miles, if the bluefin-21 missions

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rob mccallum, cnn analyst and ocean search specialist and miles o'brien, cnn analyst, pilot, science. you're skeptical about this information from the australian firm, but to play devil's advocate, any harm in having bangladesh send everybody two frigates just to check it out? >> no, there's no harm. high concerns they were going to redirect assets in the more important area where we have evidence in the southern indian ocean into the other zone. bangladesh isn't involved in the search. if they want to do a training mission, why not? it's in the public realm, families needan an answer. there's little basis in fact for it but worth running down. >> rob, any technology that you're aware of that could detect the plane the way that this firm is claiming they were able to? >> no, none at all. and you know, you have to think if there was the ability to detect metals and gold and tie tamium by this methodology, they've been doing a brisk sil indeed. the claim they found gold, copper, titanium in the area is just too hard to believe. hard to work out how you identify an aircraft, the aircraf

senior manager of met tron, scientific solutions and retired oceanographer and specialist rob mccallum. it seems the use of the technology has completely changed the pace of this investigation. >> that's correct. you know, whenever you're using auvs, because there's a daily cycle of launch ascend, search ascend, recovery you don't know what you found that day until you do the download. so it's a cyclical pattern. you're using deep towed sonar, you have real-time data coming up. for those that have active interest in the mh370 it's a frustrating time because we've got to wait to the end of the mission. >> frustrating pace and because of the technical issues that we've seen with the bluefin going down and coming up earlier than expected. it's happened now twice. does that surprise you at all? >> it doesn't, jake. we're using really extreme technology in a really extreme environment. one of the things that people forget, not only the pressure at the bottom, but it's a fact that that bluefin's got to operate completely on its own. no real-time data link with the wide band width. if anythin

[everyone laughter,crying] >>> back now with rob mccallum, specialist in ocean searches and andy pazstor put you in charge of the search tomorrow, what would you do, andy? >> yes. i couldn't hear your question. >> okay. let me try it again. rob, can you hear me? rob can't hear me. andy, what information do you think -- you know, the cell phone ping that we got earlier. a u.s. official telling cnn it tried to make contact. that the co-pilot's cell phone ping seems like such incomplete information. >> hard to tell what it means. we have to -- let's look at what the investigators are saying. angus houston, who's coordinating the search says the data we have got is the data we have a got and we will act on the basis of that. he is realistic. he thinks they have the necessary information to find the wreckage and black box. if this doesn't work out f. the estimates, tweaking of the data, revisions and fine tuning turn out not to be correct, we are in for a long, difficult search way beyond anything we are talking about now. >> strange. rob, if i could give you the power to take over the search

. >> david soucie, rob mccallum, thank you. >>> cold and running out of air, nearly 300 passengers areen their ship rolled over in the cold waters. about 12 miles off the coast of jindon. the coast guard found five more bodies in the that some of the passengers like this little boy seen here with his 5-year-old sister. let's show that picture. the girl was rescued but there has been no sign of the boy or their parents who were also on board. the coast guard is also investigating whether the ship's captain, who made the initial order for everyone to stay put, whether he may have been among the first to abandon ship. cnn's kyung lah is joining us by phone from jindon. >> it is very much a rescue operation still. the rescuers here who we can see here at the dock, they are still operating under the assumption that there are survivors on this capsized ship. there has been horrific weather, high swells, at times the tide has been too dangerous for the divers for a few minutes there were divers lost. they were eventually recovered but -- and found safe but it certainly has been very, very dif

rod mccallum has extensive experience searching under water. rob is here with us right now.ifficult of a mission is this, since they're not even sure, as i've been saying, they're looking in the right place? but now all of this high-tech underwater equipment has been put in place, and it's moving around. trying to hear that pinger. >> yeah. it is a long shot. but although it's a long shot, it's the best shot. you know, there's no sense in having those assets in that part of the world and not having them in the water actually searching. so, you know, they're using the best data they can from the last known tracker, and they are deploying the assets along that track. and it's a shot in the dark, but it's an informed one. >> and it's basically, you know -- it includes a lot of luck. because that equipment can only move in a relatively tiny area every day. >> that's right. it's essentially a microphone, an underwater microphone, hydro phone, with very limited range, perhaps a couple of miles. so they have to pass virtually over the top of the pinger in order to locate it. >> and

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token, i want to turn carter's work up until his death on behalf of david mccallum, a convicted murderer spent 29 years in prison. he was the focus of a piece carter wrote just months ago in february that ran in "the new york daily news." he is also the focus of a new documentary made by your son called "david and me." rayhis clip, we hear from klosnky. and then carter. >> they said they had seen a body. it was that moment they slapped me in the face. confessed. >> these teenagers had no chance with professional interrogators. >> and that was rubin at the end. your last comment ,ken, about this case? was him alonglum with a friend of his, similar to , whom youjohn artis just interviewed. casewere taken in in a where there was no evidence whatsoever that they did the crime. they were forced -- they were forced a 16-year-old kids to confess to something they did not do. certainly, dr. carter's righteous anger against prosecutors forced him, in a sense, urged him to get involved in this case because he saw himself and he's all the way prosecutors can twist the truth for their own ambitions.

joining me is tom fuentes, mary schiavo and rob mccallum. all right. good the see all of you. should investigators be releasing some of the information demanded from the family members like flight logbooks and maintenance records to appease them? >> yes. it is not just to appease them. as long as it isn't directly in conflict with the criminal investigation, remember malaysia says they have a criminal investigation and a civil investigation. they should be regularly releasing information to the families and briefing them. that is in accordance with standards which is what our own national transportation safety board follows. they keep the families apprised and briefed of all non-you know, criminal sensitive information they can. >> and tom, do you agree with that, that there is some information that usually is -- usually specific to an investigation but in this case pamly members should be privy to it? >> no. i agree with mary on that. the problem, though, is that malaysia has their own thoughts of what's allowed to be released or what, you know, they choose to hold. i mean, i

. >> rob mccallum, here we are again, as we were last night, awaiting a news conference, and where we got, really, some great information. the most information we have gotten out of the searchers, we got last night. and here we are again in the same position. >> here we are again. and absolutely on tenterhooks. and i'm not sure whether the media conferences in relation to the echo or to ocean shield. but either one of these is tremendously exciting in terms of its potential to close this whole month. >> mikey kay, is michael kay still with us? >> yeah, hi, don. >> hey, michael, again, we were here last night between shows, you and i and les abin were out to dinner. and then we heard about this press conference and rushed back to cover it. we weren't sure what we were going to hear. thought maybe it would just be an update, and got some really great information. tonight we're hoping that there is some news here in the positive direction. >> yeah, well, don, let's just go back and have a quick summarize of what we heard yesterday. we heard one, that the actual ping wasn't verified. we h

. >> let's bring in cnn analyst rob mccallum.ly do narrow the area, they have four areas 17 or so miles apart, walk us through what happens next. >> well, the towed pinger locator is a glorified micro phone. the next step is to try to get some imagery. and in water you do that through the use of sonar. so they will deploy sonar in order to give us imagery of the sea floor and anything that might be lying on top of it. >> they will hold off on the submersible equipment until they exhaust the possibility of the batteries still operating and emitting the pings? >> i think the time line is so fine, such a small scale that it doesn't make a lot of difference. the batteries look to me that they're on their way out. the auv, i suspect, will be deployed in the next day. they may choose to bring in other sonar assets in order to speed up scanning the sea floor. >> the ocean silk could be significant especially when you're looking for two relatively small box. >> you know, the level of silt on the sea floor varies tremendously around the g

rob mccallum, great to have you with us. >> i was talking to chad myers earlier today.s just so stupefying that there's no trace, no debris floating on the water, anything. >> if you have any questions about flight 370, please send them our way. there are so many great questions out there. tweet us or send it to our facebook page, which is @this hour. >>> plus this ongoing search and how it's affecting victims' families. how they were in a conference for hours hoping for answers. this was a dramatic, tragic moment. we'll have the latest just ahead. the top-drawer skinny.rs, s scotts wraps each seed in a brilliant water smart plus coating, that feeds, protects, and holds in moisture to make growing thicker, healthier grass easier. now let's spread your newfound knowledge! seed your lawn. seed it! to truck guys, the truck is everything. and when you put them in charge of making an unbeatable truck... ... good things happen. this is the ram 1500. the 2014 motor trend truck of the year and first ever back-to-back champion. guts. glory. ram. trwith secure wifie for your busi

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martha mccallum in america's newsroom. >> good morning, everyone. all of this, of course, is threatening to overshadow president obama's trip in russia where he is threatening broader sanctions over russia if moscow does not pull back. >> we'll continue to keep some arrows in our quiver in the event that we see a further deterioration of the situation over the next several days or weeks. >> so the president says he will keep more arrows in the quiver. what does that mean? chief white house correspondent ed henry traveling with the president. he joins us live from morning from seoul, south korea. good morning, ed. >> good morning, martha. bottom line is the president trying to play some offense but also having to play some defense in a news conference here in seoul. this situation, the crisis growing worse in ukraine, the president making clear the u.s. is getting closer to a new round of sanctions but trying to coordinate with new world leaders. the president in seoul on a conference call with four world leaders including angela merkle, the chancell

rob mccallum, cnn analyst and ocean search specialist and vice president at williamson and associates. cnn aviation analyst and les and richard quest, cnn aviation correspondent and cnn aviation analyst mary schiavo, also a former inspector general for the u.s. department of transportation and now an aviation attorney who represents families suing airlines in crashes and disasters. so, richard, to you first. the optimist wants to know what would happen next, if, indeed, this pulse is an indicator that the black box, one of easy that two black boxes, is nearby, but still there has to be verification whether that pulse really did happen. australian authorities are at least acknowledging that they have this information, that they've learned of characteristics that seem to be -- seem to identify with a pulse, but still, no real confirmation. we're a couple of hours away from daybreak. what do you expect the australian authorities can do, ought to do, would do at this juncture, in terms of a commit? >> no dwhut they'll do. they will look at what they've got. they will get as much informati

specialist rob mccallum joins me from seattle, and david suesy is in new york.ntioned a second ago, we know that this submersible is back in the water, you know, trying mission number two. first attempt, will said, only managed 28%, 29% of the full capacity of that mission. and we have nothing so far when it comes to possible wreckage or anything about the plane. so should we be disappointed? or is it pretty typical in go number one? >> i think what we've seen is a teething issue, i think. once the device is reprogrammed, then things will run a little bit smoother on the second run. but i am concerned that, you know, this auv is operating at the very edge of its operational parameters, which doesn't bode well, because we are not very clear on the ultimate depth of the search area might run to. so we don't have a lot to play with here. we don't have any redundancy. we only have the one auv on site at this time. >> that's news to me. i was wondering if we were throwing all resources. so one of these things looking for possible wreckage, looking obviously for the u

rob mccallum and steve ross is back with us. rob, let's go ahead and start with you.tes in and says where is the debris. why don't they see any pieces of that plane? >> you know, it could be for a couple of reasons. the first is that there may not be a lot of debris. the aircraft might not have broken up in a big way on the surface. there might not have been a lot of debris generated. it's a very, very big ocean out there. and you know, it was several days after the accident that searchers first got to this area. it could simply have drifted away. >> steve, here's one for you. actually i have another question and follow up. now that the probably crash area is found, . >> i really don't think so. we had images that have been completely discounted and remember on day one or two they had these chinese satellite images, which analysts concluded that the things on the images were just way too big to be the type of debris that would see small, noting objects. so i think the investigators would do as this questioner suggested if there were any reason to but i'm not aware of

. >> rob mccallum, michael kay, thank you for your input. >>> still up next, inside that sunky ferryea. will ripley is there, hi, will? >> reporter: carol, here in south korea, they're holding on to a small sliver of hope even as we get more grim news from the search zone. what you wear to bed is your business. so, if you're sleeping in your contact lenses, ask about the air optix® contacts so breathable they're approved for up to 30 nights of continuous wear. ask your doctor about safety information as serious eye problems may occur. visit airoptix.com for a free one-month trial. i don't always have timeh to eat like i should.. that's why i like glucerna shakes. they have slowly digestible carbs to help minimize blood sugar spikes. [male announcer] glucerna... mom has a headache! had a headache! but now, i& don't. excedrin is fast. in fact for some, relief starts in just 15 minutes. excedrin. headache. gone. i'm mom at the playground the kids get trail mix, and you get a delicious milo's kitchen chicken meatball. i wish you liked my cooking that much. milo's kitchen. made in the usa

one expert we have consulted, rob mccallum, an ocean search specialist, believes that figure is way toosays in the area that dolan is talking about, even with two towed locators working, he thinks the price tag's much closer to $15 million, wolf. so you've got projections on the far end of the spectrum but when all is said and done, it's very hard to project these figures. >> and the u.s. navy is projecting what it might cost the u.s. navy. >> that's right. it has budgeted $3.6 million just for its portion of this particular phase of the operation. and that covers the deployment of the bluefin-21, the towed pinger locator on board the "ocean shield," it covers the cost for ten operators which some of them are with phoenix international and plus transportation to and from the region. again, that's just the u.s. portion of this. that doesn't include the australian portion which is going to run into the millions. >> let's not forget, one boeing 777 costs 200 or $250 million. >> and the towed pinger locator, 3.5 million just to buy that. >> one locator. brian, thanks very much. >>> let's ge

joining us now to discuss the challenges, rob mccallum and ma mary schiavo. them to reconsider the search. what do you expect the next phase to look like? >> well, i think the next phase probably won't be the search phase. they'll finish up in this area because these were the best leads they had so far and they still do have a significant amount of work to do here. i think they'll then regroup in terms of needing to expand the search area, bring in different equipment, equipment that can go deep beer the water, maybe different capabilities and then, also, decide whether they need to search in areas beyond this. not just an expanded area here but look further up and down the arc that the satellites predicted that the flight might have traveled. >> of course much larger area. rob, in your opinion, how many more times do you think search crews should deploy the bluefin-21 in that specific area and how do they determine it's done all it can do and make that determination? >> well, it's an interesting question because, you know, in this business it's actually as i

. >>> let's turn now to cnn analyst rob mccallum and expert and expedition leader with the founder and chairman of hydroid manufacturer of the underwater device which found air france 447. chris, let's talk about that device that's called the remus 6,000, is it time that be brought into the mission? >> well, i wouldn't be the one to make that call, sir. i think it's a decision that has to be made by the people who are running the search. there's really two parts to the problem. one is deciding where to search, the other one is how to search the area that they've decided to search. that's where our expertise comes from. find the area to search, then we take over. >> tell us about the remus 6,000, presumably if it were brought in, what could it do, for example, that the bluefin-21 can't do? >> well, i wouldn't compare the two. i think the main focus that the -- that these systems offer is maturity. they've been in the field and operating for over a decade. i think equivalently been around the world four, five times from now. the other aspect, robots work well together. our systems work c

martha mccallum has been investigating and joins us this morning with that.sed up to that moment that gives everybody chills. what are you going to be telling us? >> we did an investigative piece that really looks with clear eyes at exactly what we knew about tamerlan tsarnaev. it's essentially focused on the older brother before the attack. we know that the russians alerted the c.i.a. and the f.b.i. on two straight occasions months apart that they were concerned about him. we know the boston police were never alerted to the fact that there was an investigation going on into someone who lived right under their noses. in the hearing, the police commissioner was asked by the chairman of homeland security, were you alerted to the fact that there was an investigation going on? he said no. would you have liked to have heard that information? would that have helped you? yes. >> right. let's hear the c.i.a. officer -- >> he has some thoughts on how it was handled. >> they do the minimum necessary to then be able to say, i didn't find anything, so i'm done. and then

first what does martha mccallum know that we don't 'cause she's got two hours of tv?nd the irs? a lot of questions about what that was all about. what did the russians know about the boston bomber before the attack? all that coming up at the top of the hour. we'll see you here on america's news room sfx: car unlock beep. vo: david's heart attack didn't come with a warning. today his doctor has him on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. >>> welcome back to washington. "fox & friends" continues. the white house has been pushing for paycheck fairness act. you know that. to close the pay gap they say exists between men and women. just one problem. >> this isn't just about treating women fairly. this is about republicans seemingly opposing any efforts to even the playing field for working families. republicans in congress are dead set against it. blocking a pay raise for tens of millions of americans. they want to show that they do care about women b