mccarthy: yes. reporter: can you tell us? mr. mccarthy: no. how selection go, the leader -- the republican leader in the senate, the republican leader in the house work together. we selected a person more than a month ago. reporter: mr. mccarthy, you said you spoke with the former president. what was the gist of that conversation? mr. mccarthy: i talked to him on the phone. we talk quite often. he was just on television the night before. i was keeping him updated, julia letlow got sworn in a few days prior that changes the outcome of the percentage of votes you need on the floor. he was very instrumental in helping her win in a primary where the democrats did not. in louisiana you have these jungle primaries. we actually won the race earlier. and julia ledlow, her husband won the seat, caught covid and passed away. she is an amazing person, she has a ph.d. 12 people were running. it's almost mathematically impossible to win it in a primary. her polling was about 41%. i talked to the president about two weeks before the election. he knew luke a

mccarthy, mccarthy, mcallister. [ screaming ] >> and going back to the video mccarthy is all of a suddenproud of. it doesn't so much as condemn the insurrectionists as glorifies them. >> there was such a thing when they could take it away from all of us, from me, from you, from our country. this was a fraudulent election, but we can't play into the hands of these people. we have to have peace. so go home, we love you, you're very special. >> we love you? you're very special? that's not stopping. that's reveling. and he continues to revel any chance he can, repeating the election line. >> this election was rigged. this election was a total fraud. >> they say we won. i think we won substantially. >> this election was rigged. >> this isn't trump learning anything, calling off people who would do harm to the country. inciting them. you know who knows this? kevin mccarthy. at least one person. there's that part of the phone call that's part of the impeachment rohr. a shouting match between mccarthy and trump where mccarthy begged trump to call off the rioters. trump responded, well, kevin, i

well, mccarthy -- mccarthy, i should say, now, claiming that, when he spoke with trump on the phone,he call ended with the then president saying that he would put something out to stop them. well, that flies in the flas of the reporting that we have. which is that mccarthy pushed trump to call off the rioters, and trump said, well, kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election, than you are. so joining me now is mark mckinnon. he is the former adviser to george w. bush. and john mccain. and also, the executive producer of the circus on showtime. along with cnn political commentator, anna navarro. good evening, to both of you. mark, let's start with you, because mccarthy is completely changing his tune. even with trump out of office, lies, the gas lighting, revisionist history. not going anywhere. what is -- what's happening here? >> it's all about 2022, and wanting to be speaker of the house, don. i mean, the reality is that historically speaking, the outer party has a very good shot in the midterms of picking up house seats. they are only down a handful of seats now.

>> congressman mccarthy: insurrection at the capitol.had political violence for the last year in this building. you had a good friday, an officer killed for political belief right on that capital as well. if you're now going to put a commission together, why wouldn't you look at all the problems? >> chris: you won't agree to a commission unless it has that broader scope? >> congressman mccarthy: on the one that asked for commission, it's speaker pelosi was making a partisan. >> chris: would you accept a commission focused on the right of the capital? >> congressman mccarthy: this is too important to negotiate in the press and not sit down with the other leaders and walk-through to solve this problem for the american public. [indiscernible] varied >> chris: thanks for your time, please come back, it's always a pleasure to talk to you. >> congressman mccarthy: thank you and congratulation on 25 years. >> chris: up next we will bring in our sunday group to discuss the new fox poll's and what they say about the biden presidency so far as "fo

but the one looking a fool is kevin mccarthy.is viewers and the people who watch news like if we have short-term memory problems. it has not been that long ago that we saw him saying something completely different. or is he calling some of his republican colleagues who told us about the explicit phone call? is he calling janie herrera butler a liar? what he's doing is trying to save face. he's got to justify the fact that he goes and kisses trump's ring among other body parts, and he has to look at himself in the mirror and justify that. the only way he can do it is by rewriting history and lying. >> you scare me. i never know what you're going to say. >> you should be scared. >> is she going to actually stay word? but you don't. >> she always goes there. she always goes there. >> she does. i think this is what you were saying because mccarthy told the "new york times" that going against trump could, he said, damage the party. that co-change the whole course of history. this is the tightest tight rope anyone has to walk. so conde

jim jordan, that mccarthy is -- is coddling. >> yeah. the biggest problem facing the gop right now is this fringe element of the party. they used to be fringe. it's becoming increasingly mainstream with the rivals lauren boebert and marquez-green and mccarthy is not doing a whole lot to stop them. he saved marquez-green, defended her and tried to prevent her from getting off her committees. he's taken a much softer touch and much softer approach towards dealing with these folks and he's really struggling to rein them in. again, we're talking about unity. that's what they see as their path to winning back the majority but i think this is going to be a uj hoo, huge problem for republicans. >> thanks to both of you. appreciate your reporting. >>> today a new autopsy of andrew brown jr., the man shot and killed by deputies in north carolina last week, what the autopsy says about how he died. that's next. i need a lawn. quick. the fast way to bring it up to speed... is scotts turf builder rapid grass. it grows two times faster than seed alone

where do you go when kevin mccarthy is now sort of contradicting kevin mccarthy on 1-6. >> well, kevinying to engage in historical revisionism. you see the cowardess. he is not a leader, we don't see leaders, they are followers, and they're following the base and following donald trump's lead. and i don't want to be misunderstood here, but i have a sense we moved beyond this all being about trump. trump still is an imminent threat to american democracy, no question about it, but i think what's happened is that trumpian mentality, conspiracy theories metastasized in the republican party, so they may look like they're still calling the shots but they're following something that they can't control and they don't fully understand. i think you've done a great job connecting the dots. look what's happening in arizona where you have this absolutely bizarre artificial audit which appears to be designed to advance the big lie. that seems to be a grass roots thing, being egged on by donald trump who as usual would like to send in the national guard, he has a fetish having guns around, people try

mccarthy. wait, for mr. mccarthy? for kevin? he was rushed out. because the rioters were breaking in. he brought another republican member of congress to his private office with him and then once they were there, it was like, oh no, bruce, we came here to my office to hide but the rioters they're inside now. they're coming for us. bye, bruce. i'll see you later. i'm out of here. there's a toilet in there. maybe good luck crouching on top of the toilet they won't see your feet if they look under the door? i don't know. the guy ended up opening up a display of civil war artifacts and grabbing an antique display sword and then he had to hide on kevin mccarthy's toilet because leader kevin mccarthy left that congressman there to fend for himself while the rioters closed in. he left with the security detail. but he did not bring the other congressman with him. it was not like that congressman had gigantic entourage, pull straws see who would fit. they left him. while they went through the office. imagine the discussion in like the armored suv where the

mccarthy was -- dinners. mccarthy was assigned to wheeling good we had 59,000 people.t was their state, for, 1950. the dinner was held at the mcclure hotel colonnade room. it was to start at 6:30. it was the ohio republican women's club. it was a big deal for wheeling. he was introduced by william callahan, the regional republican bigwig. they decide -- describe the talk he gave as intimate, humorous, folksy. he had an irish wit about him. he could be very ingratiating when he wanted to, a beautiful, big grin. he talked about the republican platform as it was laid out. he talked about the war between good and evil, between communism and the christian democratic society. he talked about the alger hiss trial. he had been convicted some weeks before of perjury but actually was being convicted as a spy. that was a very big deal, so he went on about that. toward the end of the talk, he made what was the key to the talk and what started him on the road to what became known as mccarthyism. i will read the words from the newspaper. and what he said was, while i cannot take the

and when we watch kevin mccarthy's answer, you'll be able to see what kevin mccarthy looks like wheng. let's take a look at that. >> when paul ryan was speaker, his staff had a conversation with matt gaetz about his professional conduct. >> okay. >> were you ever aware of any red flags -- >> no. >> any concerns about his conduct when you were majority leader? >> when i was majority leader, i wasn't part of that discussion. i didn't know about that. lots of times as speaker or leader, if you have discussions with members, i guess for the privacy, they have that. i did not know about that till the -- till i read it in the article. >> john heilemann, if you want to watch kevin mccarthy lying on a loop, you just set up that piece where he says, i did not know about that until i read it in the article. this is -- this is a problem that's not going to go away for him. >> oh, yeah. lawrence, well, it's a problem that's not going to go away for him until matt gaetz goes away for him, which, you know, might be more imminent than kevin mccarthy would like to acknowledge. i would just like to p

mccarthy joined those house republicans.eral to overturn the results through the courts and several battleground states. he signed on with a brief to do that. he has also been very sensitive in the questions about him trying to overturn the electoral results. just a few weeks ago i had an extended exchange with him at a press conference and asked him about that. he contended he was not trying to overturn the elections. he said just because we voted to overturn arizona and pennsylvania didn't mean we were going to change the outcome of the election. the reality is that house conservatives wanted to overturn six states, but they were only able to get votes on two of them because senators joined them in those efforts. they need a senator to force a vote. six votes could potentially have changed the outcome if they succeeded. he is trying to rewrite history by saying he did not try to overturn the elections here, but also be on trump's side through all of this. >> when we look back on mccarthy's comments about the january 6th in

when you watch kevin mccarthy's answer, you will be able to see what kevin mccarthy looks like when helook at that. >> when paul ryan was speaker, his staff and had a conversation back it's about unprofessional conduct. were you ever aware of any concerns about this conduct when you are a majority leader? >> when i was majority leader, i wasn't part of that discussion. i did not know about that, lots of times as speaker or later, we have discussions with members for the privacy, but i did not know about that until i read it in the article. >> john, if you want to watch kevin mccarthy lying on a loop, you just set up that piece where he says, i did not know about that. rather than the article. this is a problem it's not gonna go away for him. >> yeah, that's why -- it's not gonna go away for him until -- go way for him until math gaetz goes away for him. which might be more than cavalry would like to acknowledge. i just like to point out that it seems a little strange to me that you're saying lawrence, you have isolated a moment until we finally can see what's kevin mccarthy looks like

at the capitol, mccarthy says trump didn't provoke the mob.s it that we get to tell everybody how liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? i mean it... uh-oh, sorry... oh... what? i'm an emu! no, buddy! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. ♪ this is the sound of an asthma attack... that doesn't happen. this is the sound of better breathing. fasenra is a different kind of asthma medication. it's not a steroid or inhaler. fasenra is an add-on treatment for asthma driven by eosinophils. it's one maintenance dose every 8 weeks. it helps prevent asthma attacks, improve breathing, and lower use of oral steroids. nearly 7 out of 10 adults with asthma may have elevated eosinophils. fasenra is designed to target and remove them. fasenra is not a rescue medication or for other eosinophilic conditions. fasenra may cause allergic reactions. get help right away if you have swelling of your face, mouth, and tongue, or trouble breathing. don't stop your asthma treatments unless your doctor t

let's watch what leader mccarthy had to say and then we'll talk about it. a good fit for your leadership team, do you believe? >> that's a question for the conference. >> but what do you believe? >> i think from a perspective if you're sitting here at a retreat that's focused on policy and focused on the future of making america's next century and you're talking about something else, you're not being productive. >> awkward. leann, what do you make of what he said there? >> well, what he did not say is give a ringing endorsement of liz cheney. he had multiple opportunities to throw his weight behind representative cheney and he's denied doing so. today he was also asked earlier in the press conference if he would campaign enthusiastically for liz cheney if the former president -- if he endorsed a primary challenge against her, and all he said was, well, we haven't talked about it yet. so the mccarthy/cheney debate is kind of a proxy for what is happening within the battle, power struggle of the republican party. and it's becoming very problematic for this pa

the there's nothing that kevin mccarthy won't do to try to win an election. he wants to win back the house majority. he knows he needs the trump base and donald trump's fundraising to do so and he's trying to sweep this under the rug. he had over 140 police officers who were brutally beaten, several lost their lives and they just want to pretend it never happened. i won't allow that to happen. me and my colleagues need to tell that story, honor those officers who did the right thing that day and fought back and gave their lives. but kevin mccarthy obviously has taken a different approach. >> kevin mccar thinks one thing he was most critical of right after the insurrection was president trump's slow response, the fact he didn't call people off. he gave a speech condemning it and now a full reversal. why do you think he's doing this? >> well, john, i've learned you should never under estimate the power of somebody's ambitions. he looks at the election coming up in a year and a half. again he wants to be house speaker, take back the house majority and that's mor

gina mccarthy is the person tasked with the effort to get there. joining us is gina mccarthy. mrs. mccarthy, it's nice to see you again. thank you for making time to be here. >> it's nice to see you, too, rachel, and happy earth day. >> thank you very much. people have referred to you in the press as climate coordinator, climate czar, i've seen you referred to as the fauci of climate. partly because people are having a hard time settling on a title is because your role is new and amorphous. i knew what to call you when you were epa administrator. what is your role that you have now? how would you define it? >> i'm working with a group working on how we can start reducing our gas emissions, because president biden has rejoined the paris accord, and we're really going all out to reduce our emissions as a way to restart the economy, as a way to grab the future for the united states. we're going to invest in america again and bring back some good-paying union jobs and start looking at that clean energy future and how we win it for our country. it's an exciting moment, and we're doing a

trump and mccarthy got into an expletive laced phone call and mccarthy was pleading for help trying tock, which trump did know about and said well kevin, i guess these people are more upset about the election than you are. now, the people who have given all these details about the caller are republicans briefed on the call by mccarthy and the quote was confirmed by jamie herrera beutler and said trump repeated the falsehood it was antifa storming the capitol. obviously, this is not sounding at all like someone intent on stopping the riot as mccarthy claims. what about the idea that trump, someone who watched tv news obsessively and had been tweeting about it before this didn't see the riot unfold? even though it was being carried live on every single news station. cnn reports to the dismay of his aids, it injured dozens of officers and sent fear of a coup. he delighted in watching the riot. when trump did finally release a video addressing the rioters, it was two hours after the capitol building was breached and this was trump's message. >> this was a fraudulent election, but we can't

kevin mccarthy is equivocaing over this.ng for some sort of distraction over this. and then you listen to liz cheney who's simply stating this for what it is. >> and the thing is, let's break away from that. kevin mccarthy, willie geist, actually spoke out against donald trump after that. and actually said that donald trump was responsible for those images that we saw. said donald trump must be held accountable. and it's not like he said it whispering to staff members. he said it on the floor of the united states house of representatives. and he's been backtracking ever since, running down to mar-a-lago, getting his picture with donald trump, kissing up to donald trump, showing just how weak he is as a leader. backing down from protecting -- >> there's no line for him. >> backing down from protecting his own members in the house of representatives. that's just who he is. and republicans, as we said said, as i said yesterday, apparently love following weak leaders. so that's where we are. >> yeah, a lot of republicans said a

but cheney is taking a completely different tact than mccarthy. if the department of justice should prosecute donald trump for his role on january 6. she saids that up to the department of justice. so leaving open the idea that trump should be prosecuted and all the things agreeing on, it is stunning how split this leadership team is. >> it is remarkable. >> as they look forward to 2022, it is a challenge to see everybody on the same page of elections. how do you think that will play out between the cheney wing and trump wing and the parties? >> cheney has her own political situation. we talked about that on an interview that we'll post. the larger question is, how involved does donald trump get in these primaries. not only cheneys primary's and does he back candidates that will not win. what kind of candidate does he support? frankly, i can't overstate this enough, having someone like cheney in the leadership speaking out vocally against the people that most in the party is the leader is a distraction. i'm not passing judge either way but it is t

professor mccarthy: we will.diences for this meeting is china, certainly, to show the u.s. and japan are lockstep with regard to the way they are going to be working together to address a variety of challenges regarding china. haidi: what are the biggest challenges for japan when it comes to china, and what commitments could be expected from washington out of these talks, to the five support the u.s. gives regionally? professor mccarthy: japan is in a difficult situation when it comes to china, because the economic relationship, economic ties are so fundamental to japan's ability to move forward developmentally. the trade ties are so significant, so it has taken a very cautious approach, a prudent approach to how it will regard various challenges china has presented. one is national security, china's role with some islands, and there are human rights issues as well. it is the only member of the g7 that has not made as strong a statement against the human rights abuses in change on -- human rights abuses in an are

representative mccarthy, the top republican in the house. he stopped talking about the insurrection, okay? he's the guy that trump called during the insurrection. just for telling us about that, he had to wind up going down to florida to kiss the ring of trump after the election. 100 dcops were hurt. how can you be pro blue and not give a damn what happened on january 6? the state of play of politics will hold this country back. or am i wrong? smerconish's take, next. facing leaks takes strength. so here's to the strong, who trust in our performance and comfortable long-lasting protection. because your strength is supported by ours. depend. the only thing stronger than us, is you. the harry's razor is not the same. our razors have five german engineered blades designed to stay sharp, so your eighth shave is as smooth as your first. and we never upcharge you for high quality. harry's. available in store and at harrys.com. ♪ it's velveeta shells & cheese versus the other guys. ♪ clearly, velveeta melts creamier. rely on the experts at 1800petm

it's very important stuff. >> and i was surprised by mccarthy's reaction.the way he goes on this stuff. usually, i don't know, he tends to be a passive and reactive dude. i would not have bet that he would have tried to do that. were you surprised by the tweet? >> i wasn't, because i've been covering mccarthy for more than a decade, and wrote a book in which he was a character. he would have said, is there a constituency that would go along with this? i think he believes this is wrong, but the way he views this, this is abhorrent to me, kevin mccarthy, and will be abhorrent to enough people that i can come out and dump on it. that's how i assume he would think about this. >> and steve scalise, just an important point here. i've covered the far right and this line of thinking for 20 years. this is all very familiar. the idea that the 1965 immigration law reform, an important distinction between 1965 and previous waves of settlers did not stay in the country at the expense of the native-born. it talks about pauses in immigration, which is a big cause celebre.

representative mccarthy, the top republican in the house.e stopped talking about the insurrection, okay? he's the guy that trump called during the insurrection. just for telling us about that, he had to wind up going down to florida to kiss the ring of trump after the election. 100 cops were hurt. how can you be pro blue and not give a damn what happened on january 6? the state of play of politics will hold this country back. or am i wrong? smerconish's take, next. i need a lawn. quick. the fast way to bring it up to speed... is scotts turf builder rapid grass. it grows two times faster than seed alone for full, green grass. everything else just seems... slow. it's lawn season. let's get to the yard. hi guys! check out this side right here. what'd you do? - tell me know you did it. - yeah. get a little closer. that's insane. that's a different car. -that's the same car. - no! yeah, that's before, that's after. oh, that's awesome. make it nu with nu finish. bottom line is, mom's love that land o' frost premium sliced meats have no by-products

i spoke with somebody close to kevin mccarthy yesterday who said, basically admitted that kevin mccarthy he told the truth when he was on the phone yelling at donald trump. he told the truth when he was on the floor saying donald trump is responsible for 1/6 but he realized soon after that that he couldn't be speaker of the house without donald trump support. but liz cheney is saying what he believes. i just think it's fascinating we hear all of this talk to reporters, to conservative outlets about liz cheney and how she's not a good fit for the republican party and yet they took a private vote in caucus and liz cheney won comfortably. so, can you take us behind the scenes and talk about the dynamics of that republican caucus and what's going on? >> i think the keyword with regard to the liz cheney vote is private. i think you would actually see quite different numbers if it were a recorded vote. but i spoke to a republican chief of staff over the weekend who essentially told me kind of what has animated this conference since 2015 essentially is just waiting for the problem of donald tru

octavia spencer, melissa mccarthy.h nasim pedrad. [ crowd cheering ] [ engine revving ] [ race light countdown ] ♪ ♪ when you save money with allstate you feel like you're winning. safe drivers save 40% saving is easy when you're in good hands. allstate. click or call for a quote today. ♪ seaster eggcitement you'is in the air!ds. get 15% off and kohl's cash on... everything you need to celebrate with your special somebunnies. kohls. i'm draymond green with my subway sub with tender steak and melty cheese. my sub is gonna dunk all over your sub. excuse me? my sub has bacon. choose better be better and now save when you order in the app. subway eat fresh. but not jayson's sub. just tell me what i need to know. subway eat fresh. (hands hit desk) where is it? it's on the beach. ocean views. it was supposed to be a surprise. (hands hit desk) she doesn't like surprises dave. thanks, captain obvious. booking a trip can feel dramatic, but with free cancellation you can't go wrong with hotels.com. ♪ ♪ i'll be right back. with m

instead mccarthy has been major is in the minors. you're going to see people like matt gates continue to behave this way and create distractions of the republican party and i guarantee it's not what the range and file want to be talking about but m.k., i'm sure donald trump loveses it with greene and gaetz going around and attacking fellow republicans that aren't loyal enough to him. >> i'm sure that is right up his alley. i want to thank you for the opportunity. i'm not a fan politically or ideologically of matt gaetz but it's incumbent upon me to be fair. >> he's denied all of it, absolutely. >> and there have been no indictments of him. there are of his soeshd and we'll find out more about that as we go along. even when i don't love someone i want to point that out, but him going on the road with marquemarjorie taylor greene, it's like an instagram tour, like pumping up someone who doesn't need to be pumped up: many are theses about the republican party and this is a fight they will need to have about who is the face of the party?

special presidential envoy, john kerry, gina mccarthy, and jennifer granholm.up next, president biden speaks next week to a joint session of congress, and tim scott gets the honor and the challenge of delivering the republican response. ♪ (ac/dc: back in black) ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ back in black ♪ ♪ i hit the sack ♪ ♪ i've been too long... ♪ applebee's irresist-a-bowls are back. dig in for just $8.99. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood. we know how much you count on us... ...and that's why we're here 24/7... ...and on the road maintaining a fast and reliable network. we're always working to ensure the internet meets your needs... ...by making access easier for all... ...with comcast lift zones and our internet essentials program. we're invested in making our apps easy... ...to give you personalized assistance around the clock. and we're committed to keeping our team and customers safe by working from home... ...and using precautions in store. see what we're up to at xfinity.com/commitment rely on the experts at 1800petmeds for the same medications as the vet

apparently that's fine with kevin mccarthy if and when that happens. just have to wait to see if he gets convicted i can't imagine that he meant to say that but we'll see. we will -- we will cross that bridge when we hopefully never come to it ah so, like i said -- i feel responsible to update you on how that story has evolved from last night. i didn't think it could get weirder. but it is a truly bizarre story evolving with accelerating weirdness over the course of the day today. if it gets even weirder over the course of this hour, i will try to ignore it unless i have to. >>> also today, "the new york times" broke the news that state prosecutors in new york have sub bpinaed the personal bank recors of a man named allen weiss weisselberg. he appears to be under intense pressure from new york state prosecutors to tell them what he knows about the allegations of tax fraud, bank fraud and insurance fraud that that prosecutor's office is pursuing against president trump and his company. "the times" also reporting tonight that state prosecutors are still

joining us now is white house national adviser jean mccarthy, miss mccarthy it's really nice to see youin, thank you for making time for being here. >> it's nice to see you too, rachel. happy birthday. >> thank you very much. people have referred to you in the press as climate coordinator, climate czar, you've been called the fauci of climate, part of the reason i think people have a hard time settling on a title is because your role is new, i knew would to call you when you were the administrator, but right now, how is the role, how would you define it? >> i'm advising the president and i'm running a little group of folks that are looking to cross every sector and see how we can start reducing our emissions, because president biden has rejoin the paris accord and we are really going all out to reduce our emissions as a way to really restart the economy, as a way to grab the future for the united states. we're gonna start investing in america again and bring back some really good pay union jobs and start looking at that clean energy future and how we win it for our country. it is an exc

president's team leading this charge, special envoy john kerry and white house national adviser, jeannie mccarthy and we'll be joined in the first town hall since this historic announcement. our audience is here in washington and around country and ready to ask questions. everyone here tonight is following covid-19 safety protocols. welcome to you both. before we get started from the audience, just a couple of questions starting with you secr secr secretary kerry, slashing emissions in half is quite ambitious. what must u.s. companies in america change to achieve this goal. >> u.s. companies are already moving in this direction. some of the most financial institutions committed in the trillions of dollars over the next ten years to invest in the technologies and processes that are going to help reduce this emissions and other countries are doing this. europe is cutting by 55%, u.k. is cutting by 78%. why? because the scientists made it clear to us that this is critical if we want to hold the earth's temperature increase to 1 1 1.5 degrees cenigrade. president biden getting all the country enliste

kevin mccarthy said he didn't know anything about it, hadn't talked to the congressman yet. but added if he does get indicted, would that be cause to remove him from his committee assignments? if he gets charged with child sex traffics are republicans in congress going take him off his committees and stuff kevin mccarthy said, actually, he would only plan to remove matt gaetz from his committees and congressional responsibilities if he gets convicted of child sex trafficking. a federal indictment for sex trafficking that would not be a big enough deal. they would leave him in his committees, keep being a congressman and all that stuff really i think that might be a mistake. i would not be surprise in the he cleans that up in coming days we have quite a bit of experience of congressman being indicted while in office hi, congressman collins, congressman hunter you can make a list of all the congressman who have been indicted while in office because trump pardoned them all before he left office as president. but because we've got a lot of recent experience with this, the standa

i wouldn't be surprised if mccarthy cleans that up in coming days. we do have previous experience of congressmen continuing while being indicted because trump pardoned them all before he left office as president. because we have a lot of recent experience of this, the standard within the republican party used to be that once you got indicted, you get taken off your committees and responsibilities even if they don't at that moment expel you from the congress that is how they've dealt with other republicans. according to mccarthy, that's not the plan if matt gaetz gets indicted for child sex trafficking. just have to wait and see if he gets convicted i can't imagine that he meant to say that we'll see. we will cross that bridge when we hopefully never come to it. >>> so, like i said, i feel responsibility to update you on how that story has evolved from last night i didn't think it could get weirded. it is a truly bizarre story evolving with accelerating weirdness. if it gets weirder, during the course of this hour, i will try to ignore it unless i hav

kevin mccarthy

it's true of mitch mcconnell, true of kevin mccarthy.ot more than $600,000 from pacs. this cycle, he didn't get anything. now, so there's -- you have to be a little caveat here in that mcconnell was in cycle, he was up for re-election last time. but look at the amount of money he's raising from small dollar donors, they're absolutely still sending a lot of money in. it goes both ways in the republican party. liz cheney had a pretty good quarter and yet she's finding a lot of small dollar support. the bottom line on all of this is that the corporate pac money that defined washington for so long doesn't seem important to the republican party that much more. and that will have interesting implications on a whole host of fronts. kasie? >> yeah, i mean, it's fascinating, and part of me wonders how much of this is just the general move towards that with the way that we communicate now being so much different, but republicans really were behind democrats in terms of figuring out how to do this, even in terms of what technological platforms they

anyway, mccarthy was asked if that account of his conversation with trump was accurate, and mccarthypresident trump about, i was t saying, telling me, he'll put something out to make sure to stop this. and that's what did he he put a video out later >> quite a lot later and it was a pretty weak video but i'm asking you specifically, did he say to you, "i guess some people are more concerned about the election than you are? >> no, listen. my conversations with the president are my conversations with the president >> seth: wow, he avoided that had question like he was vince vaughn in "dodgeball." "buddy, buddy, buddy, you're killing me here. i would never divulge a private conversation i'm a discreet guy you know that about me do i gossip occasionally sure would i let a secret slip here and there in return for a favor? who wouldn't but i tell you, i would never tell someone else what you told me in confidence not now. not ever." "all right, wow, man right on." owen wilson wasn't in "dodgeball," but i mean, he should have been, right? so i lied when i said our references from now on wou

mccarthy, to act upon that behavior. >> where does mccarthy at this point stand on things?he people who said nothing basically. the only people who have really come on the house side on the republican side are jim jordan and marjorie taylor greene who have come out in defense. mccarthy has been noncommittal on this. it's an interesting thing that pelosi said, this was up to mccarthy how this happens. in fact, it's not. they could theoretically vote on expulsion at some point in time full house vote on this. that would be up to pelosi, of course. she's keen on making this kevin mccarthy's problems for obvious reasons. she wants the republican party to own it and decide it. if kevin mccarthy were to pull the pluck, so-to-speak, there would be a backlash, there still is behind matt gaetz and doesn't want to see him go. >> good to see you, sam. >>> still ahead, everybody. a heart wrenching glimpse into the real life consequences. new information on what let up to this 10-year-old boy wandering lost and alone along the border. alone along the border intr oducing ore-ida potato p

in the 1950s, at the height of senator joe mccarthy's anti-communityist crusade he once mocked mccarthy in a column claiming the wisconsin senator was causing people grief in america because he hailed from a bad strain of the mccarthy clan in ireland. when he submitted the article to his editors at the tribune, who were afraid of mccarthy they killed it. he looked elsewhere and sold it to the new republic. in his professional life he had a deep sense of right and wrong, a conviction that was at the heart of his david and goliath struggle against hollywood in the buchwald versus 20th century. what you don't remember probably about "coming to america" is the lawsuit that came about as a result of the film. a lawsuit covered by media around the world and involved art buchwald. in essence what happened was that art buchwald wrote a film treatment optioned by paramount, promising him credit and royalties if they went ahead and made a film based upon his film treatment. but they told him they were killing his idea. but then several months later, paramount announced they were making a film sta

we know what kevin mccarthy allegedly holdis his conference.now and was respondinglioicly to mccarthy's call denies everything we know. it's pathetic. >> margaret, what do you think? it sounds like mccarthy is caving on this. >> he know what, he made a strategic calculation that the best way to handle the insurrection moving forward to bring his conference together is to pretend it didn't happen. >> that. >> give him credit for not throwing jamie herrera butler under the bus. her statement was entered into the record about kbooechlt of the president of the united states. he didn't refute it. but the truth is he knows that he can't undermine -- he can't tell the truth and keep his conference together. that's the problem with the republican party right now. >> yeah. >> so, what i will say though, is on the heels of this, trump's influence is waning. he was not invited to the republican conference in orlando this week. he was not -- you know, i think trump's influence is waning, but mccarthy has to keep the conference together but they are fractur

house minority leader kevin mccarthy came out indirectly against this, saying, quote, the gop is not the party of nativist dog whistles. this from a congressman who still supports donald trump. >> he hardly ever does anything to stop this. that's what matters here, putting an end to it, showing the american people, the entire world, watching this embarrassment, that we've moved past this as a country. and that we do not allow the behavior of people like marjorie taylor greene to persist in our government. >> where is your party, when you have to clarify, make a statement saying we're not the party of nativist dog whistles, how can you gauge that? >> the republican party is obviously completely lost in the sauce, as we like to say in the marines. they don't know what the hell they're doing. as a democrat, i don't look at that as an opportunity, to say this is great because the opposition is a mess. i look at it as an embarrassment. the american people want us to get things done in congress, they want us to act on behalf of all americans. there are americans across the country who are

and rachel, one more thing before you go very important thing i was listening to gina mccarthy on your show, and it wasn't easy, i notice, to describe exactly what her job is because she's not secretary of, and she's not administrator, so she described it as a chief of environmental advisor, climate adviser, she described it as hanging out with people, and she was talking about how she was hanging out because it's the boston way you describe working. she was talking about how she was hanging out with all of these people who were working on the infrastructure bill, and she rattled off every member of the cabinet involved, even beyond that. did you notice who she left out? >> who she left out of the cabinet description, know who did she leave out. >> hint, cabinet member, i could not believe my ears and i know he couldn't believe his years, secretary of labor, mike walsh, former boston mayor was left out of that list by boston 's owns gina mccarthy. rachel, i think we have the makings of a feud here, if i can get it started tonight, because there was nothing like a boston accented feud.

it was in a hearing that kevin mccarthy called for her to be centered for those comments, leading to a vote on the house floor yesterday about that resolution. this is steve scalise of louisiana with reporters on tuesday before the vote on maxine waters. [video clip] >> i have been clear in speaking out against political rhetoric that incites violence, but if you look at her comments the judge in the trial just yesterday acknowledged maxine waters's comments are so inflammatory it could because grounds for an appeal. and elected officials need to stop doing this and stay out of this. the fact that speaker pelosi covered for her, she was trying to incite violence and in fact there is violence going on right now because of her actions. this is not the first time she has made inflammatory comments. you will see mccarthy bring a resolution to the floor but i would like to see maxine waters apologize for the comments she has made. it is a powder cake there -- keg there and the worst thing you want to do is make it worse, especially to grounds for an appeal. we saw derek chauvin crossed th

we will see if he has anything at all to say about gina mccarthy. he is going to join us later in the hour. >> this is going to be wicked fun. >> yeah. it's a good day to come to work. thank you, rachel. thank you. >>> well, there really is nothing, and i mean nothing more mysterious than a jury. they never speak. you never know what they are thinking as a trial proceeds. you can only guess and you can never be sure about the guesses. not even close. and so there is nothing more sus smensful than a jury verdict. there is nothing more suspenseful than that in our lives today. and in an extraordinary interview today nbc's gabe gutierrez has taken us inside the jury in the trial of derek chauvin for the murder of george floyd. on this program, every night of the trial, we tried to highlight for you what we thought were the most important points for the jury that day. the points that really impressed the jury, and it turns out we were right. they were thinking exactly what we were thinking about that evidence. and while gabe gutierrez was conducting tha

but it was apparently too much for house minority leader kevin mccarthy, who passive aggressively said in a tweet saying the, republican party is the party of lincoln. the party of more opportunity for all americans, not native his dog whistles. that said the america first caucus scrambling, paul bowser said in a saturday statement he did not of the document, it became aware of it only after it was reported by the news media. well marjorie taylor greene released a statement saying the platform was a staff level draw proposal, from an outside group that i hadn't read. dick sherman was the one that broke the story of the new america first caucused, he's the founder punchbowl news and he joins me now. first of all, some clarity on this document. what is this document? in who wrote? it >> chris thanks for having me. that's a great question. wouldn't let me clarify a few things here. when we went to marjorie taylor greene's office, their first comment, and they had the document at this point, was, something along the lines of, you know someone like this to you guys. in will let you know we

we'll see if it rises to that level with kevin mccarthy.nk you very much, ali vitali. >>> now to the day's other big headlines, this one of the front pages of the indiana newspapers today, the mass shooting at a fedex facility that left eight people dead and five wounded. investigators are still searching for a motive as the city of indianapolis is grieving. let's go to my colleague who's joining me from outside that fedex facility where such horrors took place. what about the families there? how are they even beginning to cope with this? >> reporter: well, alex, i just spoke with some family members and close family friends of two of the victims, and i can tell you they are numb. they are still in shock, trying to process what happened here behind me thursday night. in fact, i was just at their home a few minutes ago and they were supposed to be celebrating the birthday of a 2-year-old and now they are moving forward, making funeral arrangements. i was told that their loved ones were beginning their 11:00 p.m. to 11:00 a.m. shift when this

what does mccarthy gain from carrying trump's water? is this anything more than a survival tactic? >> no. he gets to keep the speakership. eventually hopes to be speaker of the house someday, if republicans take back the house of representatives. that's what he is hoping for. he hopes to not lose his job as minority leader by essentially following. he is following the trend. at no point has he led the republicans. he has always been about being the person they can push around the most and get the least push back from. so not getting rid of trump, him and other republicans in the house, especially ones that don't seem to buy into trump's lies, they're going along to get along, they know they have been caught in the big lie, don't know how to extricate without saying by the way, we lied. there's no way out that doesn't involve a mea culpa or admission that we knew this was a lie. until they figure out how to do that or take the plunge and face voters, say yes, this wasn't true, still reelect us, we still believe in what you believe in, until that happens, they're going to keep pushin

in the aftermath of the tet offensive by then eugene mccarthy senator, eugene mccarthy of minnesota had already begun and insurgent campaign for the democratic nomination for president. mccarthy was out there as a candidate as an option as an anti-war option to lyndon johnson. and in march of 1968 in the first half of march 1968. johnson fared poorly surprisingly poorly in the new hampshire primary election eugene mccarthy won perhaps 42% of the vote a surprising number an astonishing result mccarthy didn't win the election. johnson whose name wasn't on the ballot. received about 49% of the votes it was clear though that johnson was wounded politically if eugene mccarthy could score that high of a percentage. an unexpected fashion in the first in the nation primary state, what was is what were his chances going to be later on johnson was looking at a real rough political road ahead of him. it was complicated by the emergence of the candidacy of robert f kennedy senator, robert f kennedy a younger brother of president john f kennedy and robert kennedy announced in mid-march 1968 that he

i think if mccarthy did that -- mccarthy's record is not one where he's going to take those sorts of to jolly's point, there is actually an indictment, well, that might change the calculus. but otherwise, matt gaetz is very popular among the maga base, and while donald trump has been silent, i imagine that mccarthy would probably get an earful from the former president if he made such a move without so much as any evidence that's come out. i mean, as gaetz's defenders have pointed out, he's gone quite a number of days without any named accusers. there is no indictment yet. we haven't seen any physical evidence. so, mccarthy's record up until now, you saw with liz cheney, you saw it with marjorie taylor greene, is to just kind of go along to get along and stitch together his caucus. his big thing is, look, we're going to win the midterms, if this midterm is going to be like any other midterm. we just need to hang together and not hang separately and he's -- >> in other words, cowardice. let's go to you, david jolly, because, you know, the florida legislature has some options too. we n