mcchrystal and petraeus and they are both gone before the book has hit the streets come you have ever imagined when you were thought embedded with these troops that would happen? >> no the book mainly about the grunts on the ground but does look a lot at how people like president bush, president obama, secretaries of defense and how these celebrity jones, how their decisions end up affecting these guys at this very vulnerable outpost at the bottom of three steep mountains just 14 miles from the pakistan border. one of the things that emerges in the book that mcchrystal and his aides are obsessed with the idea of the celebrity general, as petraeus has become. petraeus, if you read his press clips, believe he was the savior of the war in iraq. they wanted mcchrystal to be that and there is this hubris that takes over celebrity jones. >> hence the interviews with "rolling stone," hence the biography petraeus did, which in the end brought him down in many way, putting anymore contact with this woman. >> they start to believe their own press clippings that is the danger. >> start to play t

it is not by coincidence he is second to in command to succeed general mcchrystal as commander. when it comes time to launch the mission against bin laden to present to the president what he thinks his men can do if that is the option to pursue. a minor character then rhodes was a graduate student at nyu but the interest gravitated toward the real world and became a speech writer, worked on capitol hill and worked for obama's being the person the white house and was supposed to draft statements if they killed bin laden what they would say if they failed there was seriously bady bad possibilities that had to be worked through and thought about in advance. that was an interesting story line. michael morrell is interesting he went from president bush's brief per one 9/11 two rising to become chief of analysis that the cia during the bush term. he will tell you he was one of those ultimately responsible to deliver the opinion said don hussain was delivering -- harboring weapons of mass destruction and understands that was one of the biggest intelligence failures and takes responsibi

both he and mcchrystal 2k3wr5ag there's only one way you can fight it. we know how to do it. all we have to do is have the political will to do it. and he embarked on that, on fighting with a conventional -- an unconventional way of doing things, and it had huge success. the failure, of course, at the end is we waited so long to do it properly that by the time we got started, a decade had passed and we didn't have the political will to carry on. indeed, no matter what else you can say about mcchrystal's performance, the fact that -- you could argue that he should have been fired after he made the speech in london, mcchrystal, but that he had the right way of doing things. he was absolutely right, it was going to take a decade. so petraeus was absolutely right. he was very, very good at what he did. at the end of the day we didn't have the political will to pursue it and we started too late. that doesn't change what happened. >> but the manual he put together on counter insurgency is now one of the legendary -- >> it's scripture now, it's the equivalent. >> as the colonel said

at war for over a decade now when you think about the words the two names that come to mind are mcchrystal and petraeus will forever have an asterisk next to their names because of what happened at the end of their career so again i think the public i mean you know the military is fighting for the public and the public has a right to information to know what their military doing but there's got to be that separation certainly military leaders need to make sure they're maintaining good relations with the military but appropriate relations and i think the media has a duty to make sure that they remain objective and not get caught up in the hype but tell me how this works because i know one of the kind of the new leads today that a lot of people are talking about is because of his retirement general petraeus may not have to testify before congress about what happened this year september eleventh in libya talk a little bit about you know that kind of that that angle of this story. right now well sir talk today about whether you could face court martial if they take this back to his period on a

general mcchrystal from the time he was appointed to the head of the forces in afghanistan is from the very moment of his confirmation hearing, he and the white house are in this back and forth and it is actually long before "rolling stone" story for him and his aides to backlash, but it is having deadly consequences for the men at the bottom of the hill. >> and it must be a huge distraction for them, because my brother is fighting over there, and it is a total distraction, isn't it? >> yes, it is. with the petraeus story breaking, we had a book launch on saturday night, and a lot of the troops in the book came, and a lot of the gold star moms and gold star wives, and when petraeus was mentioned, it was an incredulousness, and these men served in an area of the village where they would not see women for months. >> and there was the boss having an affair. >> yes, and it was so bad that they felt that women do not exist anymore and there was a female helicopter who would buzz over them, and they would all run over, because they wanted to hear her voice, because they were convinced that s

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. >> that was the raid that general mcchrystal has cited as probably the most significant in the war in iraq because it basically delivered up a database of about 500 names of al-qaeda fighters who had come to iraq through syria. so not only were they able to take apart that organization by identifying all those folks and finding them, it also illustrated that the the al-qaeda movement in iraq was primarily a foreign movement, not an indigenous. that's one of the things that helped to turn the sunnies getsal al-qaeda. >> eliot: and you highlighted that they would use it and form and see linkages that might not have been possible to see many years back using new software and computer techniques that began to create--sort of out of a science fiction movie where you say these are the links these are the bank it's a, and that's how you figure out who is who and where to go. >> well, more than that, eliot general mcchrystal, when he got all of this information took the unusual step of declassifying it and posting it at the west point combat in terrorism website so anyone in the world coul

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someone told me that ought to know that the president did not have petraeus to go to after stan mcchrystal. the decision was made he had to go. that having petraeus there made a big difference for the president. >> petraeus instantly, he was in a senior position as commander and it tells you something about petraeus as maybe his an tight for the challenge or maybe glutton for punishment that he instantly said yes when he was asked would he go replace mcchrystal and that was pretty typical of him. he did like to fight and loved that leadership. >> rose: where does this story, what is the next turn of the wheel here. >> i like to think about the enlisted members of the military and the officers who serve under these generals. it is military is a, everyone follows the chain of command and is taught to follow orders. and many members of the military are suffering. they are really suffering because their families have been at war for ten years, they have family members who have been wounded in this car and they have suffers tremendously. this is very hard for people like general petraeus who wa

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in this case, stanley mcchrystal took the surprising step of declassifying all the material and turningit over to west point's combating terrorism center so analysts from a variety of disciplines could take a crack at it, and general mcchrystal will tell you he feels that data and some of the analysis produced while working with that data was instrumental in the success they had in 2008 in decapitateing operations in iraq. violence levels dropped 80% over the next eight to nine months and they've remained lower today than they were before we invaded in 2003. i'll read you one more quick passage. prevailing demands tools. the attacks on america on september 11th, 2001, challenged a long standing premise of the national defense. bin laden and extremist movement, al-qaeda, posed a new kind of threat, a global network of well-funded, clever, suicidal killers with no fixed address. the nation's vast arsenal, its nuclear stock fires, imcomparable air force, army, navy, and the bureaucratic structure for global surveillance, spying, and intelligence analysis was designed primarily to detour, a

try to be diplomatic. >> michael hastings be torpedoed mcchrystal -- hastings torpedoed mcchrystal. the sin was not in insubordination but it was in discretion and fraternization. somebody in the military is not supposed to be buddy-buddy with an inferior. and he was with soldiers. he was a soldier pose a soldier of which have not touched upon. or you have done so in passing and very scantily. it is the problem of corruption in governments at all levels in the middle east, proper security, and that involves the killers. the fanatic killers, the religious killers, the revenge killers, and the thug killers and how you deal with that. all it takes is one juror to create havoc in the community. also drugs and how you deal effectively with that. all those things play a role. unfortunately in the military, the fitness report determines who gets promoted and that has sometimes less to do with ability but who likes you. >> is there one question there? >> that is putting substance to the makings of david petraeus. >> those are all good questions and thoughts. to pontificate. i want to talk a

i did not work with general mcchrystal, but i worked for his father for years ago -- general herb mcchrystal is scary. it is quite true. we came home from vietnam and the country did not welcome us as they had welcomed subsequent generations, especially the current generation. the most difficult part of that was that the country said that we will not have conscription anymore. you career officers -- you change this army so it becomes a volunteer army. go and find your soldiers in the labor market. go find them in the villages and towns of america. we did that. over a period of about five or six years, we created a splendid force of young men and women willing to serve their country as volunteers. they had the same tradition, the same culture, the same loyalty and dedication as any other generation of americans that have ever gone before. they proved themselves in the gulf war, the panama invasion and they proved themselves in the last 10 years in iraq and in afghanistan, but the theme we have to keep in mind is something president lincoln said in his second inaugural address -- to care for t

john allen successor to the disgraced petraeus and mcchrystal and fired mckiernan. he remains in command in afghanistan where americans are risking their necks for a country that has not in a decade paid as much attention to the war as it is paying to the sexual misconduct and disgrace of one of the many, many, many, many, many, many men who have led it. joins us is frank rich, noshz magazine's writer at large. >> great to be here, rachel. >> we have went through a presidential election in which we pretty much did not talk about afghanistan. there's new interest in our military commanders there because of the details surrounding general petraeus and these e-mails from general allen. is this inevitable, and can this be a way to turn country's attention back to the war? >> well, it would seem if you turned this long-running war, which i think is really off the public radar screen. it wasn't only not discussed in the campaign, in the debates, it didn't register in the polls like we're not at war, except for the people actually fighting it. to turn it into the "real hou

one, general petraeus today, and the other general mcchrystal who was fired unceremoniously after that article in "rolling stone." they were the two names that americans could recognize. general mcchrystal for his role in black ops and general petraeus who could perhaps walk into a football stadium and get a standing ovation. >> what a difference a day made. thank you, david and richard. thank you so much, gentlemen. >>> up next, karl rove is peddling a new line about why president obama won re-election. rove claims the president's campaign, loved the way he stole this phrase, suppressed the vote to win. when is this guy going to deal with reality and stop talking. suppress the vote? i think that was their number. when is this guy going to deal with reality and stop talking. suppress the vote? i think that was their number. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. >>> here's what's happening. the supreme court says it will review the challenge to the voting rights act. the appeal from shelby county, alabama, says significant progress has been made and the federal oversight i

"the rolling stone" who ended general mcchrystal's career.hat was amazing is nobody doubted the authenticity of the quotes included in this article, yet huge numbers of the most prominent media figures who covered the war in afghanistan attack michael hastings facetiously -- attacked michael hastings viciously, accusing him of violating the trust of the general. not because he reported things that are supposed to be off the record, but they say you develop a bond with these generals but they talk about how you have to sleep in the same tense with them, that you they really have an expectation should honor as a reporter to protect and shield them and a reputation. that is what these journalists the themselves as doing, serving as spokespeople for these military figures and that is why they're so angry at michael hastings. he was attacked again because of the cnn interview, described as this unhinged person as muddying the sacred waters of journalism. what you really see is their perception there is no national religion in the u.s. the national

one, general petraeus today, and the other general mcchrystal who was fired unceremoniously after that in "rolling stone." they were the two names that americans could recognize. general mcchrystal for his role in black ops and general petraeus who could perhaps walk into a football stadium and get a standing ovation. >> what a difference a day made. thank you, david and richard. thank you so much, gentlemen. >>> up next, karl rove is peddling a new line about why president obama won re-election. rove claims the president's campaign, loved the way he stole this phrase, suppressed the vote to win. when is this guy going to deal with reality and stop talking. suppress the vote? i think that was their number. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] don't just reject convention. drown it out. introducing the all-new 2013 lexus ls f sport. an entirely new pursuit. tomato, obviously. haha. there's more than that though, there's a kick to it. wahlalalalallala! smooth, but crisp. it's kind of like drinking a food that's a drink, or a drink that's a food, wo

someone told me that ought to know that the president did not have petraeus to go to after stan mcchrystal. the decision was made he had to go. that having petraeus there made a big difference for the president. >> petraeus instantly, he was in a senior position as commander and it tells you something about petraeus as maybe his an tight for the challenge or maybe glutton for punishment that he instantly said yes when he was asked would he go replace mcchrystal and that was pretty typical of him. he did like to fight and loved that leadership. >> rose: where does this story, what is the next turn of the wheel here. >> i like to think about the enlisted members of the military and the officers who serve under these generals. it is military is a, everyone follows the chain of command and is taught to follow orders. and many members of the military are suffering. they are really suffering because their families have been at war for ten years, they have family members who have been wounded in this car and they have suffers tremendously. this is very hard for people like general petraeus who wa

yet received a call from mcchrystal when the rolling storm stone article broke. he was pretty sure that he had received some article that were causing the lose his job. and he was told that he was pretty likely to be selected for afghanistan. he was at the white house for a regularly scheduled meeting, but someone from the oval office came down and says the president wants to see you upstairs. and as he's walking into the oval office, secretary gates and others do not give by compaq. he is excited to serve. when it was announced in the rose garden, that is when i thought i had a neat opportunity of the larger framework. so i wanted to find a writing partner and i found a truly extraordinary writing partner and friend. one thing i didn't mention is he has run 55 marathons. and if you think petraeus is good, check out my partner here. i hadn't written anything like this. i have attention deficit disorder, so it's hard for me to sit and write something like this. so that's how i tried to find a way to fit in these biographical depressions and relate them to the stor

mcchrystal ball says the next four years john: look at the depressing turner to it shows wat happenso employment hiring recovered after two years. the current recovery is much slower. why? employers face thousands of pages of rules that makes it scary to expand because no one understands what those say. betsy mccaughey has heard those complaints following the biggest regulation of obamacare. bob luddy makes these. actually bigger and fancier with ventilation systems like restaurants use to take away bad smells. >> we are making money and expanding but i this a retirement it is difficult because of human resources rules that don't make sense with those regulations coming into the marketplace the department of energy wants to regule motors over five hp. john: they want to regulate to make them morenergy efficient? to carry out part one, whenever that is to conserve the energy resources of the nation? you just want to make money. >> we're constantly testing finance with the industry organization. john: you try to make it more efficient that will help you sell the fan. >> absolutely. tha

you will with the other again and then general who was also idolized in many ways general stanley mcchrystal he fell from grace and resigned when the rolling stone magazine quoted him saying unflattering things about the administration the media here of course have seen all over the tree of scandals when they learned that there was another woman involved it got them spinning all over again with her discussions about how the lead. to stop in effect the man's judgment all kinds of things they savored every detail of this story and one thing that was actually said to watch is that what the agency and i mean the cia is actually doing doesn't get that much coverage things like how they pick the targets for this targeted assassination program things that the public should want to know if the actual security and it's secret but when it comes to the director's bedroom all of a sudden everybody wants to know and the media are there to question every detail of the affair as far as let's say collateral damage from cia drone strikes not as interesting now meanwhile u.s. congress is demanding answers the