and so that began it and we started to carry that on and then general mcchrystal continued to refine and prove the tactics he was using, when we refined and approved how conventional forces would be operable with him and as that went on we got better and better and we see it playing out in afghanistan as well. >> rose: much has been written by tom ricks and others about that you went to iraq as one person, as one army officer. >> yes. >> rose: and you came out of iraq as a different kind of army officer. >> yes. >> rose: in your own words. >> yes, i would just say, i think it is mischaracterized a little bit. >> rose: a little bit? >> but we all change. i mean we all learn. the key of being a key leader is you have to continue to constantly learn. >> rose: what did you learn? >> i learned a couple of things. i learned first that in order to be successful in this environment and in the future environments you have got to take a multipronged approach. the thing i learned most is you have to ask the question why? why is something a happening? because it is not that it happened or what h

weapons or weapons of war and they should not be in the hands of civilians you know general stanley mcchrystal has said as much association of chiefs of police law enforcement they have seen no read reason for civilians to have these high capacity magazines which are intended to inflict maximum carnage. and that's why they are used by shooters and they kill so many people so efficiently and effectively richard let's move on to you clearly something needs to be done if gun control isn't the answer then how should we be directing our funds i mean should we be directing them toward mental health services to solve this violent of a demick again there. within this issue. the american people in some recent polling data rasmussen no longer cross their own government if you want to understand really what's behind the whole how we're issue of guns it's really a symbolic issue it's about the release. between the governed and their government and when the government basically trusts the people who've never misused their guns the people say well this is a government worthy of my trust when the government

and general stanley mcchrystal ran jsoc for much of the bush era, and they began operating what was effectively a global hunting organization. and they weren't hunting deer, they were hunting people. and they did their own interrogation. they have their own secret prisons. it was a whole parallel apparatus to what the cia had traditionally had sovereign realm other. >> host: how did you get involved in this line of work? >> guest: purely by accident. i went to university thinking i wanted to be a middle schoolteacher. and i discovered very soon after i got to the university what it meant to be on academic probation. i was a terrible student. so if i'm a horrible student, i don't know how i'm going to teach the youth of america to do anything. [laughter] it's not that i was screwing around and out partying, i just wasn't very good at school. and, you know, i would say that i was enrolled at the university, not that i was attending the university. and after three years -- this was in wisconsin -- and after three years i decided that i wanted to do something in the real world, and i moved to this

general mcchrystal continued to .efine and improve the tactics we just got better and better.e see it play out in afghanistan as well. abouth has been written that you went to iraq as one person, one army officer. and you came out of it as a different kind of army officer. in your own words. >> i would just say, it is mischaracterized. we all change. we all learned. the key of being a leader is you have to continue to constantly learn. i learned a couple of things. in order to be successful in this environment and in future avironments, you have to take multipronged approach. the thing i learned is you have to ask the question why. why is something happening. oris not that it happens what happened. it is why it happened. if you understand why, you can pick the tool that is the best tool to solve that problem. in some cases, we are picking the wrong tool to solve a problem. are,nderstand, some tools full military power to do it. some is, you might have to use economics. my to do social things, political things. if you figure out why something happened, then you come up with the

and, you know, as i said on this program after sandy hook, on msnbc with general mcchrystal, who was kids having gotten 3 to 11 rounds, what they would look like from a military style weapon like the bushmaster ar-15. he said they would not be recognizable. now, why wait until it's your own child? why wait until it happens in your own community? connecticut changed laws after sandy hook. colorado after columbine and aurora. massachusetts, even, after a massacre at a office complex. look, america. wake up. and hold your members of congress accountable. and you can go to stop handgun violence's website or go to the brady or others. but get involved. 30,000 americans he have year. that is more americans killed by guns in the last 40 years. >> indeed. >> than all service men and women, u.s. service men and women killed in all foreign wars combined. and no background check for assault weapons. >> indeed. unconscionable. and we truly appreciate that advice. john rosen that will, goldie taylor, thank you. >> thank you. and ah, so you can see like right here i can just... you know, check my

asked them to do an assessment through secretary gates and he's the one that approved putting stan mcchrystal. he put a much greater focus on the war and therefore, it's hard for him to walk away from it just because he thinks there's a chance it won't work down the line. i think president obama in the end will continue to limit our exposure here and try to minimize our presence but still not pull the plug. it's not really an option that i think he has available to him. arthel: i have to leave it there. thank you very much for your time, sir. >> thank you very much. jon: a former director of the c.i.a. has some harsh new comments about edward snowden. coming up, why he new considers the n.s.a. leaker a full blown trader. and if you're one of the millions of americans resolve to go lose some pounds in the new year, we have the tips you need to hear about making a plan and sticking to it. jon: man who once headed the national security agency and the c.i.a. is changing his tune about edward snowden. michael haydens says he views him now as a traitor. here is more on that. >> hi, jon. general hay

and general stanley mcchrystal ran jsoc for much of the bush era, and they began operating what was effectively a global hunting organization. and they weren't hunting deer, they were hunting people. and they did their own interrogation. they have their own secret prisons. it was a whole parallel apparatus to what the cia had traditionally had sovereign realm other. >> host: how did you get involved in this line of work? >> guest: purely by accident. i went to university thinking i wanted to be a middle schoolteacher. and i discovered very soon after i got to the university what it meant to be on academic probation. i was a terrible student. so if i'm a horrible student, i don't know how i'm going to teach the youth of america to do anything. [laughter] it's not that i was screwing around and out partying, i just wasn't very good at school. and, you know, i would say that i was enrolled at the university, not that i was attending the university. and after three years -- this was in wisconsin -- and after three years i decided that i wanted to do something in the real world, and i moved to this

why would, for example -- we see general mcchrystal in "rolling stone" magazine.y clearly have an agenda, a very liberal agenda. why would you ask that question to a reality star? do they ask the kardashians what sin is? >> exactly, the theological definition of sin. it looks like a total setup. a&e is going to regret the fact that they made a very precipitous and i think not very smart decision. and the family will stick together, and another network will pick them up very quickly. >> to preach tolerance while practicing intolerance doesn't seem to make sense to many people. >> you're exactly right. and sometimes these activist groups, whether it's glaad or somebody else, they think that they represent everyone, and they don't always. and then it comes back to bite them. >> the thing is, too, we have to go over to heather we have to say hello to. remember where they debated the whole thing where they put a prayer in the end? that was fundamentally where the friction began between "duck dynasty" and the peruroducers. >> you're such a sensitive guy, wanting to say