you have something called the mcchrystalle group. you're writing another book that will capture the essence of these ideas. what is this all about? >> they're all related. i'm fascinated about leadership in the current environment. what i would tell you is mics persons in iraq and reinforced in afghanistan is for many years ago frederick taylor came up with management, we worked at management to where we were very efficient and thought we would be very effective. what i think happened is you can only get the most efficient solution, you can solve for y for how much x you need only if you really know what y is. we're in a world now where things are changing so fast, we no longer know what the requirement is for tomorrow, so we can't build a perfect process because we don't know what the output has to be. so the new holy grail in our view is adaptability, building an organization that is organically, automatically designed to be adaptable. it is by necessity designed to look for moving targets, developing good enough solutions constant

ultimately mcchrystal ended up being fired for those remarks. there was quite a bit of reaction for hastings. i do not know the ground rules that were there, whether they were violated. ultimately, he was cast out. the there was again a "how dare you" outcry. it did have a circling the wagons category. in fact, i go hastings was an outsider. he was not a part of any club. he broke a big story. people like woodward and bernstein when they broke watergate were outsiders. quite often you need to be outside of those roles and that club in order to see it freshly or not be belied by things you do not know about. in the coverage over in afghanistan, they criticized michael hastings to you or somebody else? >> that was an interview with howie kurtz on cnn. a number of people did. >> what was her point? >> i am quoting from her interview -- "something does not add up here. if people in the field trust you, you will be invited back." needless to say, i do not think michael hastings would be invited back. again, i thought that was a window into the unwrit

why did stan mcchrystal so easily get fired by the president? he had david petraeus ready to go, boom, suddenly it looked like a very commanding decision. >> let me -- >> let me tell you real quick, if the president's on the phone right now and says, general, are you ready to do this and that's who he's got replacing, he can fix this problem perceptionwise in a hurry. >> let me ask, this is sort of a constitutional question. you know, i saw this with colin powell during the iraq war, he acted like he was still a general of the army and still required to take orders, a civil servant who was a fighting man, as well. this guy, shinseki, a fine man, of course, out there doing the best job he can, but he's not just a civil servant, not a headless nail. he's not covered by the -- he is a cabinet officer, he is supposed to walk. when your administration and your cabinet agency is a disaster area, you walk. that's what you're supposed to do. you don't wait for the president to fire you. you're not a civil servant who has rights under the law to keep the

mcchrystal is with us this morning. good morning to you. >> good morning, savannah. >> i want to talk about this new big, bold idea of yours, but i have to get your thoughts on this unfolding v.a. scandal. there's a lot we don't know yet, but there are allegations of a cover-up, allegations of delays in treatment, some veterans perhaps dying because of it. as a lifelong soldier, a veteran, how does this strike you? and do you have confidence in the v.a.? >> well, i think first, i think of it two ways. the first is when the president decides to send american troops somewhere, he doesn't have to ask himself are they going to go, are they willing to do it. and so when america thinks about meeting their commitment to veterans to take care of their medical requirements, the veterans shouldn't have to wonder whether that commitment is going to be fulfilled. the second part, however, is the veterans administration is a big organization that has several hundred thousand medical appointments a day. actually, the medical care rec

. >> i was with the rangers last night dan general stanley mcchrystal. the sense of camaraderie, there's an extraordinary emotion you feel when you are among young men and women who are in harms way. .> they must rely on each other if one link in that chain is weak or something happens, then the chain breaks. they rely on each other every day to carry out their mission. there is also relationship building that is pretty unique in any institution. they have a purpose in their lives. purpose as focused to why they are doing what they are doing especially at a time since the early 70's when we've had an all professional military. they have choices to do other things and the quality of these young people and our senior leadership is pretty amazing. they choose this profession because there is a purpose and a nobleness. >> department of veterans affairs is now under attack and there is great concern that veterans have not been treated as well as they should especially in cases where some have died. give me your assessment because you were formally in that dep

quite interesting, stanley mcchrystal is one of the leading candidates for this job.ichael mullen. over at from the joint chiefs, so you're going to see a number of military people and again, congress and the people who do the confirming, high respect for the military and i think you're going to see almost applause, confirmation of whoever is there. >> so, it should be less contentious. >> i think that's the difference between the sebelius. a lot of people see him as slow to demand accountability and that again, is a political perception problem that is going to transcend whatever happens. >> juan williams, always great to see you. >> good to have you here in d.c. >> coming up, we'll go one-on-one with israel's deputy defense minister and his concerns to keep israel on the hot seat over the stalemate with the peace deal between the israelis and palestinians. >> i think sometimes wants to impose the wishful thinking, but you have a reality and the reality is -- >> and donald sterling says not so fast. even though the l.a. clippers will have a new owner, sterling is get

. >> rose: i thought of this analogy, when stan mcchrystal was fired, i wonder when that took place whenit did, if the president of the united states didn't know he had david petraeus to go over there. would this have happened if the publisher of the "new york times" didn't know he had dean beckett to go to? >> i think that's an important point. dean beckett of the person he considered rather than jill in 2011. so, yeah, that was-- he knew that would be-- settle things down choice. >> rose: what are you looking for now? where is your reporter's eye searching? >> one place you search is the question you raised a moment ago which is what impact will this have on the the "times?" in the business when we talk about the brand, which means what does the "times" stand for? and the fear is that it will harm the "times'" brand, and it will impact the ability to recruit women, or lose some women. i think it's important not to be unfair. the "new york times--" arthur sulzberger, who i think you can fault for the way he's run the business side of the paper-- the "times" is not in great business shap

you saw the surge, we sought unfortunate departure of stan mcchrystal for inopportune comments to "rolling stone" magazine about u.s. officials, that put the campaign back substantially. after his arrival may 2012, after a bad month period for the u.s. campaign there barack obama really coming into i think a military that felt disenheartened after so many erst the past few weeks. candy? >> nick payton walsh and jim shoot toe, both in ukraine for us on a different story, but giving context to this one, the president's arrival in afghanistan. we are awaiting his remarks, which we expect some time in this hour. right now, brad paisley is entertaining the troops. we also have with us michelle kosinski at the white house, we have barbara starr at the pentagon, all this knowledge about what's going on. we will be back right after a break. all stations come over to mission a for a final go. this is for real this time. step seven point two one two. verify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture. the most innovative software on the planet... dragon is cap

they don't have, when the president fired stan mcchrystal, he had david petraeus waiting in the wings, and that is why it was so easy, to rip that band-aid off and put somebody in there immediately and take away from the focus, but to find a petraeus-type figure to come in and break the eggs. that is what needs to be done. and there is an interesting pattern here that you heard from the president and you heard it from the crisis in the hhs in the rollout and heard it from the irs mess of the bureaucratic shenanigans there where the president says that the systems are outdated and there is not a good reporting system here, and it makes you wonder if there is a department, and how many departments if they had a bunch of the media scrutiny and political scrutiny would hold up or would we find out the same thing that the systems are outdated, and too much patronage and too many people not reporting things up the chain of the command and the only way that you find out about the problems is when it something happens and then you have lifted up the rock and oh, my god, look at all of the bug

another colleague of mine, michael tasting's, did the piece that got stanley mcchrystal of his and hisbad mouthing of the president and the vice president. obama fired him for the insubordination. in a caried last year crash. it will bolt loss for journalism and for people who care about innocent civilians. i did talk about the afghanistan work that we did and the conclusions that we came to. the afghanistan government did not do any counting at all. the ngos do not have the resources to begin the process. the united nations tried to do their best. they did not succeed. they came the closest. there are limitations that they face. the u.s. military started out, it, as notanks put doing body counts. withmoseyed around to this the counterinsurgency efforts creating a lot of terrorists. -- was a flawed we created an electronic database. you can access it. it shows the number of incidences, 458 of them, in which american troops were involved in civilian deaths. 6481 people dead. up to that many. it is a range, actually. i am going to conclude -- my time is up -- by noting that we are on the

. >> coming up, former general stanley mcchrystal.>> well, good morning. >> we had two impressive things yesterday, the hail in illinois and iowa was off the charts. baseball hail falling from the sky, smashed wind shields and dented cars. that's huge chunks of ice falling from the sky. and then let me show you this time lapsed video of a thunderstorm, a super cell thunderstorm in denver. it looks very impressive. it is time lapsed so it is moving faster than in real life. but just the lightning, the speed it's moving at the camera and everything else involved with it was pretty cool. that did not produce any damage by the way. love time lapse. so for today the worst of the weather has now been going from areas around erie, central pennsylvania, light rain and even a pfew downpours. we can go all the way to central p.a. and watch the downpours. new york city is on the northern edge of it. for the most part the worst edge will be from d.c. to philly and buffalo. pittsburgh, we'll see another round of storms in areas of kansas near denv

another colleague of mine, michael tasting's, did the piece that got stanley mcchrystal of his and hisng of the president and the vice president. obama fired him for the insubordination. in a caried last year crash. it will bolt loss for journalism and for people who care about innocent civilians. i did talk about the afghanistan work that we did and the conclusions that we came to. the afghanistan government did not do any counting at all. the ngos do not have the resources to begin the process. the united nations tried to do their best. they did not succeed. they came the closest. there are limitations that they face. the u.s. military started out, it, as notanks put doing body counts. withmoseyed around to this the counterinsurgency efforts creating a lot of terrorists. -- was a flawed we created an electronic database. you can access it. it shows the number of incidences, 458 of them, in which american troops were involved in civilian deaths. 6481 people dead. up to that many. it is a range, actually. i am going to conclude -- my time is up -- by noting that we are on the brink of

i wrote for "rolling stone" many years to the peace they cut stanley mcchrystal, the general who washe commander of the armed forces fired because of his staff's kind of raucous anti-white house carousing and bad mouthing of the president and vice president and all of that and obama, as you know, flatly fired him for this and support nation -- subordination. michael died last year in a car crash. a horrible loss for journalist and as for people who care about dead, innocent civilians in various parts of the world. so i can talk about the afghanistan work that we did in the conclusions we came to. suffice it to say the afghanistan government, which was by and large he joked to any counting at all. ngos didn't have the resources to even begin the process of the united nations trying to do their best and really didn't succeed because i guess they came the closest because of the limitations they faced and the u.s. military, which started out as tommy franks put it on afghanistan and we don't do body counts. eventually, moseyed around the idea of maybe we should track those against our co

general mcchrystal over that negative "rolling stone" article and eric holder over too many things toknow not all these people deserved firing. i'm just giving you the list of suggestions that the president has had to fire these people. but is eric shinseki different, larry? >> well, carol, you're right, first of all. i've taken a look the at this recently. and this president is extraordinarily hesitant to fire people, compared to other presidents, at least in the post-world war ii era. i guess that's good and bad. loyalty goes two ways. but in this particular case, even though shinseki is a war hero and deserving of all praise in that sector, you know, this is a very dangerous scandal for president obama. and as i listened to his press conference, i didn't think he really got it. this is a dangerous scandal because unlike partisan scandals that simply divide democrats and rea republicans, democrats, liberals, moderates, conservatives, everybody is outraged by this and wants tough, immediate action, not just words. >> well, ana, it was interesting that shinseki was not by the presiden

the benefit of the doubt to general petraeus, why not give the benefit of the doubt to general mcchrystal an interview to the rolling stone. the president couldn't tolerate that. but six years of ineptness, the president doesn't even give a stern talking to, as i understand. also i thought to myself today i cannot remember a time when there's been more big stories. the democrats have come off the fence and decided to take part and offer five congress people for the benghazi special select committee. >> remember not too long ago nancy pelosi was saying isn't there something else we could be talking about right now? with one hand tied behind her back she added five names. elijah comings, adam smith, tammy duckworth will sit on that committee. brian, i was listening to you yesterday. it seems as though they already have their minds made up. this is adam smith. take a listen. >> you know, are we going to have people telling us we're going to have to shut off the microphones and say we're done with the democrats talking? we're going to have to have some assurances there's actually going to be

but if you are to replace them, please give mcchrystal a chance. proposed in his latest book national service not only in the military, but also in education and health care. i would propose to go further. return to civics, include agriculture and the environment. it is shameful, the childhood poverty. we need to feed the children in order to get them educated. thank you for taking my call. host: tony from amarillo, texas, democrats line. caller: hello, i just don't shinseki's resignation -- i think that they andt keep cutting funding then asked the man to resign. if they are going to complain about the whole situation, let them fund it. host: sentra -- caller: provide the funding there and then let the man do his job. host: there was a hearing late last night taking a look at the ig report, and one of the events from that was from a republican representative from colorado. here is some of his comments from yesterday. [video clip] >> before i question the witnesses, i must first call for the resignation of secretary shinseki. i was waiting for info

president has fired, disciplined, has control over, the only person i can remember general stanley mcchrystalat is a problem. last caller. caller: i finally got a chance to get in there. everybody will be if you sat there and asked this but he sits there aloof, like his face is far away because everybody knows that republicans have been holding up every bill. they say they love the veterans. every bill y'all blocked. you have to explain this, sir. you say you love the veterans, right? i do and i think anybody who has worn the uniform for this country. as the chair of the veterans affairs committee. we have nine bills that passed the house with a wide bipartisan support that now set languishing in the senate. i have not voted to block any piece of legislation. nor have i tried to stand in the way of the v.a. to do their job. we heard from the inspector general on wednesday. the president will meet with eric shinseki this afternoon. what new do you think we will learn in the days ahead? guest: we are going to continue to do what we do and that is to provide oversight to rid i am anxious to see

we want to underscore that point because i saw one list this morning naming general stanley mcchrystald four star general, that by the way president obama himself got rid of. the other point i would make is in the president's remarks, he pointed to wanting a managerial fix it type to come in and fix the problems there now are in the va and have been going on for so long, and one last point i would make, dana, over the last couple weeks we have been hearing from a number of people about this idea that generals are used to taking orders and having people follow orders, carrying out missions, and it might not be necessarily a good fit for bureaucracy. >> erin, thank you very much. appreciate it. this is not an easy task. there's no question about that. >>> you're going to want to be with us tomorrow morning. on cnn state of the union, national security adviser susan rice will return to the show. she was heavily criticized in 2012, then she was u.s. ambassador to the u.n. and said the attack on the consulate in benghazi was due to an anti-muslim video. that's the issue that sparked all of