i've got family who lives in mccomb county. we were just there a couple days ago just visiting them in a socially distant manner, and it was very clear that the folks who are for trump are very for trump, but here's the thing. enthusiasm doesn't vote. whether you're holding your nose or voting with abandon, it's the same vote and we've got to realize that a lot of this is going to be whether or not those who did not vote in 2016 come out to vote this time and whether or not those folks in the middle who weren't partisan either way are going to vote for biden this time around. >> and wolf, i just -- >> go ahead, make your point, chris, because i got a question for you. >> very, very quickly, to the doctor's point, i think one thing that you're seeing in those numbers that's striking is joe biden, yes, some democrats are for him but it's a binary choice. they don't want donald trump, and so they are going out to the polls to vote donald trump out and joe biden's the alternative. he's the other guy. he's proven the case, i think,