so it is not just the night foundation, mccormick foundation, but founders who are interested in democracy, civic engagement, such as open society institute, community foundations. they are supporting a similar project in san diego. so the pool of the founders and donors has expanded. >> some good news on the first row. [laughter] craig aaron, i saw you cringe a little bit when we said the most we support government funding. so what do you support? >> i think the government has a role to play. i do not think they are the only answer. whatever we do, the government will be part of the answer. we need to end this myth that the government is not already involved. usc just did a study that we spend $1 billion a year in placing public notices and various tax breaks, the public airwaves that bring us our television stations. that is owned by the public. when we dig up our city streets to drop the internet lines, government and policy is involved every step of the way. where i do think we need to start talking seriously about what the government needs to, the only question that matters is who are

mccormick and schmick's is also offering the deal. the first time in my life, i can usually eat his and mine because he doesn't like clam chowder. >> you are talking about a good stew, maybe some chili on a day like this. desperate times. you have to check in with christina to see how she's surviving the harsh winter here. >>> boy, with this comfortable air-conditioning we have kicking in here i'm really just watching it. i would hate to be a driver right now. if you are someone who has to hit the highway this morning, make sure you are prepared for some wet roadways. we also have some pretty heavy downpours. you can get stuck behind one of those semi trucks, yes, a very dangerous combination. it has been raining, especially in the south bay, where we are picking up the most moisture for the past eight or nine hours. what we are noticing this morning is new within the last 15 to 20 minutes. we have the little pink pockets. they don't last long, but that's going to show you right here that we have some snow mix coming down right now. a

mccormick," and working on a book of nelson rockefeller. who in 1968 had a very unofficial and very curious alliance of sorts with the reagan people in an effort to prevent richard nixon from being nominated on the first ballot. guest: the strategy was if they could stop nixon, then katie bar the door, and both rockefeller and nixon believed over time the convention would turn to them. host: nelson rockefeller, was his selection for vice president an impetus for reagan to run? guest: that's an interesting question. i don't think it was directly, but i clearly, whether gerald ford reached out to this man who, talk about polarizing, was a lightning rod for many conservative republicans, for lots of reasons, there is no doubt that a growing conservative movement within and outside the republican party saw that as a defining moment for the ford presidency. they took umbrage at it. and the fact that ford, in effect, dumped rockefeller at the end of 1975, was not enough to assuage their feelings. host: bonnie joining us from greenville, north car

mccormick," and working on a book of nelson rockefeller. in 1968 had a very unofficial and very curious alliance of sorts with the reagan people in an effort to prevent richard nixon from being nominated on the first ballot. guest: the strategy was if they could stop nixon, then katie bar the door, and both rockefeller and nixon believed over time the convention would turn to them. host: nelson rockefeller, was his selection for vice president an impetus for reagan to run? guest: that's an interesting question. i don't think it was directly, but i clearly, whether gerald ford reached out to this man who, talk about polarizing, was a lightning rod for many conservative republicans, for lots of reasons, there is no doubt that a growing conservative movement within and outside the republican party saw that as a defining moment for the ford presidency. they took umbrage at it. and the fact that ford, in effect, dumped rockefeller at the end of 1975, was not enough to assuage their feelings. host: bonnie joining us from greenville, north carolin