the jig is up. >> you've confirmed mccorvey's account saying the group operation rescue paid her.was behind those payments? >> well, again, you know, i never thought that i was signing a check for an actor. she uses those words later on. what i did know is that norma harbored secret thoughts, some that she would leak to me from time to time, in which she would express that she was not fully with us in our messaging, but she was always a dutiful soldier. i would coach her, others would coach her, she would go to the podium, she would deliver the script so to speak. we would reward her with an honorarium which is typical for public speakers. what i didn't realize is that, you know, we were devolving into a transactional relationship. she was delivering something of value to our movement, of great value. i think she was getting something of value in return, both the payments but even more so the adulation, the applause. she was the headliner for us. she would almost guarantee standing-room-only crowds, including in united states senate hearing rooms. i had her on capitol hill a numbe