he wanted to be friends with everybody. >> i'm roy mccowen, i'm the father of chris mccowen. christopher mccowen is a player. he's not a murderer. when i read about the knife in the woman's chest, stuck it so hard where it stuck to the floor, i said, there's no way in the world that's chris. christopher loved his job. he always wanted to move up, wanted to get his own truck and he wanted to partner with his boss, so, i thought that was great. >> i met with chris mccowen. in my mind, he was not a person capable of this type of crime. there was no motive. it's a guy who was a father, who loved children. >> chris's daughter was the same age as ava. same age as ava. >> this is not a cold, deliberate, calculating person. this is not a person who had a reason to do harm to another. >> there are a number of people who don't believe that christopher mccowen could have or would have done this and that includes his boss. >> they've got the wrong person. this person just would not do that. when he would get in an argument with another driver over some silly thing, and chris would just w

joining me now democratic congress advice entsy gonzalez of texas including his district of mccowen anwhere the largest center is located and toured it yesterday. more families have been separated leaving -- the mccown facility than any other in the country. the children that you saw there, how did they seem to be doing? >> well, as you said, it is a clean facility with tight beds but i didn't see a single smile when i was there and it is a real american shame. i think it is a blemish on our policy and i think ripping kids away from mom and dad is just -- it is unamerican. it is not what the world knows us for. it is not what -- the america we know and love. and i think this policy needs to stop and the only person who can stop this the president of the united states, trump. and our attorney general jeff sessions, they have the power to turn this policy around. >> now jeff sessions just said today that this is the policy because when people break the law their parents get prosecuted and that is why children get separated from their parents. how do you think this problem should be dealt

but mccowen, texas, is home of this country's largest immigration processing center right now. which we can only show you from government issued video. it is here where the process starts that ends in the separation of children from their families. children crying for parents and relatives can be heard on recordings secretly made at one detention center run by customs and border protection. >> what's happening here, that is creating outrage across this country as the trump administration appears to stand by its policy. casting blame on country. we're covering all angles of this developing story. jacob is here with me. gabe gutierrez is in mexico. garrett haake on capitol hill. maria teresa kumar, president of voter latino. and immigration activist tonya chavez is with me as well. kristen welker is standing by for us in washington. kristen, let me start with you, if we can. walk us through some of what we heard from president trump. again, this appears to be, again, the president unplugged. second time here in six or seven days. >> he is digging in, craig. there's no doubt about