mcculloch to be released?here does the family stand on this. >> the family has serious concerns whether or not this prosecutor can be fair. mainly because of comments he has made as relates to the governor and when the situation first occurred. he commented about the governor's intervention in the situation in general. i think he obviously has sentiments already rashding the case and family has serious concerns about his ability to be fair and impartial. >> but they have not officially asked for a change, have they? we want to clarify that. they are tax paying citizens. >> not done it officially. >> do you think they should? >> you know, it's something they probably should really think hard about. i think that for a case this high profile and for him to make comments early on, it raises question as to whether he can be fair. as you know in most judicial situations, any time there's a question of your ability to be fair -- whether this prosecutor decides to do that. as of now he decided not to. >> do you think

, i'm not removing mcculloch. what's your response? >> you want to rely on the pillars of our democracy. one of the pillars is having local prosecutors, the other is having transparency. we have both. a local elected prosecutor who, no, i'm not going to take him off the case. he's going to -- he said he's -- >> you're saying that now. you are not going to appoint a special prosecutor? >> right. no. i'm not. plus you, in this situation, have the secondary advantage here of having attorney general of the united states and the justice department doing a parallel dual investigation. so, and a significant amount of public attention on what's going on. my sense is if we trust all those processes that the public is going to get what they need, which is transparency and ultimately justice. >> joining me now is missouri state senator jamilah nasheed who delivered the petitions. at the office of bob mcculloch. until that interview with the governor the governor refused to take a definitive position one way or the other. he

mcculloch's father was a police officer killed ton job by an african-american man in 1964 when mcculloch a kid. mcculloch's brother, uncle and cousin have served with the st. louis police department. his mother served as aing on-time clerk with the police. mcculloch pushed for legislation to require criminals to serve longerer portions of sentences. let me go back to kendall. we all know the prosecutors, we watch television and know prosecutors work with police. they gather the evidence, put together what they need to make a prosecution. they work hand in glove. is this extraordinary, this case? any reason to move him out? can you see that? >> it doesn't meet the legal standard which requires a personal interest by the part of the prosecutor in the parties, in the particulars of the case. i don't think we see that. sure, he's close to the police. maybe more than most prosecutors. that's part of the job and that's common. a different question is whether it would be appropriate for the governor to go one step farther beyond the legal standard and said, look, i care about the community. i w

stand up and say i have this authority, i am not removing mcculloch, i am removing mcculloch and let'set on with this. this family deserves nothing less than that. >> confused? yes. missouri state senator joins me now. so if mr. mcculloch thinks this is such a controversy issue and causing pain to the brown family why doesn't he himself decide to step aside? >> well, i can understand exactly what bob mcculloch is saying. in fact, i totally agree with him. this is not his decision to make. this is the sole decision of governor nixon and this is not the first time that the governor has ducked a decision. he typically -- this is his m.o., he only comes in the 11th hour. he never wants to be blamed for anything. a classic example is that he still has not come to ground zero. he was at a state fair at a country music concert when we were being tear gassed after three days, and only when the world decided to take a look and to focus in on what's happening in ferguson, missouri did the governor actually decide oh, maybe i should put this state fair on hold. so the governor has plenty of examp

mcculloch. >> tell me the reaction in the community. mcculloch was elected, the governor said. there was an election recently. how is the feeling of the community about mcculloch beyond your own feelings? lizz? >> i wrote a column about it for the american this week. the community is very are clear. irrespective of what anybody else says this community spent a lifetime dealing with the repercussions or actions of this office. time after time what african-american people have seen, what this community has seen, what this region has seen is a prosecutor that has a different set of justice based upon the color of your skin. it's something that the community is aware of. >> curtis, is that what your constituents are telling you? what have you heard since it's been p said mcculloch won't step aside? what are your constituents saying to you? >> i'm hearing the same sentiments and that people wish they had taken part in the el t electoral process. if we voted we may not be in this situation. a lot of people are actually remorseful for not having taken part in the system. >> let me go

is he defending mcculloch or offering him subtle pressure to step aside? >> well, ronan, i refer you to the very, very tough statement from mcculloch himself issued this morning. he said it was classic nixonian double-speak. that statement was not included, i don't believe, in the sound you just played me. it was a very tough statement from prosecutor mcculloch who was saying governor, either support me in this mission or remove me. stop the ambiguity. we need some leadership on this issue and across the board and instead we got a very troubling statement last night from governor nixon insisting on that strange video he put out, insisting that we needed to have a vigorous prosecution. now, we want a vigorous investigation and i believe we're having it, state, federal, and local. we can have confidence in the investigation that is under way now at three different levels. but to call for a vigorous prosecution, the governor is a lawyer. you are a lawyer, graduate of distinguished law school and you know that any prosecutor who made the statement that the gov

louis county prosecutor bob mcculloch from the investigation of the killing of michael brown.art of what we've seen here, clearly to everyone watching this, there's a chasm of distrust between certain residents of not just ferguson, but st. louis county, north county. >> not just missouri. >> surely. yes. right. in this particular instant, there's this chasm of distrust and there's a lot of distrust of mr. mcculloch, whether that's fair or not, as a fact about how people feel about him. >> sure. >> given how high profile this has become, how high tensions are, why not just take that step to just ensure that you're going into the process with that, the level, with the community not already distrusting the process? >> first of all, you have a relatively big officer, fbi agents doing investigations. as i said before, you trust the pillars of democracy, and if they are vigorous and serious about their responsibilities, then -- in government, you try to support the processes in place in the situation. i'm confident that those folks are working real hard, but they are already, you k

stand up and say, i am not removing mcculloch or i am removing mcculloch. the family deserves no less than this. man up. stand up, governor. sounds like he is throwing the gauntlet down to the governor who has the legal authority to remove him. not that he has it recuse himself. areba? >> you know, reverend al. i think this political posturing is embarrassing and it goes to the frustration that ferguson community is feeling. if the governor wants to remove mcculloch he has the legal authority to do so. rather than take little snippets at him or dig at him through the press, he needs do that if that's what he believes is the right thing to do. the st. louis community, fefrgson community, believes that mcculloch is incapable of being unbias in this case. they site a case where two african-american men were shot by two white police officers in a vehicle. those officers were not indicted or prosecuted. there is a long list of cases that i think has caused the ferguson commune it to have no faith in mcculloch. the governor knows that and i agree with mcculloch t

, be replaced.o mcculloch has extensive family ties to law enforcement. his father was a police officer killed by an african-american. on thursday, attorney general eric holder assured residents the federal probe of the shooting will be independent. >> the national outcry we have seen speaks to a sense of mistrust and mutual suspicion that can take hold in the relationship between law enforcement and certain communities. i wanted the people of ferguson to know i personally understood that mistrust and one of them to know while so much else may be uncertain, this attorney general and this department of justice stands with the people of ferguson. >> michael brown's parents said they plan to march this weekend in new york city to demand justice for eric garner.

mcculloch. >>> we are live from ferguson, missouri.his site has been where protests have been occurring for the past ten nights. first amendment, peace, everyone is crossing their fingers that's how it stays. stay with us. 9m woman: what do you mean, homeowners insurance doesn't cover floods? [ heart rate increases ] man: a few inches of water caused all this? [ heart rate increases ] woman #2: but i don't even live near the water. what you don't know about flood insurance may shock you -- including the fact that a preferred risk policy starts as low as $129 a year. for an agent, call the number that appears on your screen. >>> joining me now is pastor michael mcbride, the director of urban strategies and lifeline with the national network. you're also a pastor of a congregation in oakland, california, right? >> berkeley. >> why did you come to ferguson? >> because we are very concerned about the way in which the community has been traumatized by all of this violence, particularly the violence with mike brown and his family. and we had

now, robert mcculloch, the prosecutor in st. he will put everything in, every witness statement, and all that. but there's no real way to know because, guess what? it's secret. so that's one of the problems that you have here. and while i can understand the community in ferguson and their mistrust of this prosecutor, because prosecutions rely heavily on the character, on the integrity of a prosecutor in order for you to get a fair outcome. so you want to have faith in a prosecutor that their number-one job, their number one duty is justice. and that they're going to pursue that and they're going to pursue it with vigor. and unfortunately, you have a community that doesn't believe that's going to be the case. >> and natalie, having represented a family, trayvon martin's family n a similar situation where you are on pins and needles waiting for a just outcome, what you believe to be justice, how much is the family read into the process? what does the family receive? are they briefed by the prosecutor? are they involved? >> on this

louis county prosecutor bob mcculloch.ciated press reports there is mounting pressure for many him to step aside from some local residents and black st. louis area officials who believe he cannot be impartial. the associated press reports he could present evidence to a grand jury beginning wednesday. is there enough evidence for an arrest? and where does the investigation go from here? joining me thousand is missouri state senator jamilla nashid who wrote the prosecutor asking him to step down from the case last week. and anthony cook, a professor at georgetown law school. thank you both for being here. >> thank you. >> thanks for having us. >> state senator, you don't have confidence in the local prosecutor to do a fair investigation into michael brown's killing. i was just talking with the county executive who surprised me saying he doesn't have confidence. tell us why not. >> the community doesn't have confidence. i called on bob mcculloch to recuse himself, not because i don't like him. we have a history here in the st

bob mcculloch can step down. he said he's not doing it. the governor is showing he's not going to remove him. this is the answer. it's not the answer that the community is looking for. this is not what we want. we wanted a special prosecutor to take on the case. what we see now is ridiculous. there is no transparency. when you try to get accountability and answers, they block you just like they did senator nasheed from trying to give the petitions. >> we have seen a lot of people question if bob mcculloch can be objective about this case. some have are raised the fact that his father was a police officer, killed in the line of duty by an african-american man. also in 2001, he didn't charge two officers who shot and killed two unarmed african-american suspects. and he referred to the two men killed as, "bums." how worried are residents of ferguson about this prosecutor? >> i think the residents of ferguson have long been concerned. while some of the viewerers and people outside of the community don't know who bob mcculloch is, he's no stran

mcculloch is no stranger to haven controversy. grand jury did not have an indictment for shooting to death two black suspects in a drug raid unarmed but at the wheel of a vehicle officers said was coming right for them. mcculloch made this statement at the time. >> i think they are bums then and i think they are bums now. >> reporter: his office released this statement to cnn, the people have taifl in mr. mcculloch and he'll continue to do his duties. the st. louis district attorney's office wants to begin to present testimony before the grand jury on wednesday. one question is whether the officer darron wilson will take the stand to testify before that grand jury, a right he has under missouri law. jean caseraz, cnn new york. >>> author of the book "into the kill zone, a cop's eye view of deadly force" and cnn legal analyst jeffrey toobin and gloria brown marshall and associate professor at john jay college of criminal justice. you live in this area and are familiar with the police force and prosecutor. a lot of prosecutors have

what do you make of bob mcculloch's real insistence when he's not leaving the case? >> well, i am concerned. i think he could have recused himself. he chose not to. we care about the security. maybe he hasn't done anything wrong but the right thing to do would be to step back. instead of a preliminary hearing and he's chosen the grand jury, which is going to go on until at least october. >> one other case i'm going to turn to, lisa, you now have more litigation. you have two lawsuits being filed against the city of ferguson for wrongful death. the city is not commenting on it right now. this is a case of a tasing that took place, another case of a police-involved death. the city right now is facing so much scrutiny in terms of its police force. the federal government has intervened and take over. >> the federal government should take over and really take action. i applaud these private lawsuits. look, this is what i do for a living. some people say, you're just after money but they can get discovery and a lot of information directly on behalf of the families. >> inde

mcculloch is no stranger to controversy.ot return an indictment against two police officers for shooting two black suspects in a drug rate who were armed coming at them. mcculloch made this controversial statement. >> i thought they were bums then. i think they're bums now. >> reporter: his office made this statement to cnn. the people have faith in mr. mcculloch and he will continue to do his duties. the st. louis district attorney's office tell me they want to continue to present grand jury testimony on wednesday. one question is whether darren wilson will take the stand before the grand jury. a right he has before law. >> jean, thank you very much. we saw more of those, bob mcculloch, step down, recuse yourself. we heard the statement released from his office. he will not be stepping down. the grand jury process has already begun. >> thank you, victor, so much. >>> here's a question for you, a lot of people are asking this morning, did police in texas go too far when they pulled over a law abiding mother and her four smal

my constituents, while i have a friendship with bob mcculloch, my constituents want mcculloch to be removed. his father was killed by an african-american. many of his family members were police officers. he has made it very easy for the governor to remove him from the situation. here is where he and i agree that if the community wants him to be removed, it is solely upon the governor, governor nixon, to do so. what many believe since i have been here since day one, they want the governor to stand up and say here is my responsibility and i'm going to execute this responsibility of having a special prosecuting attorney who does not have any biases. the political ramifications of this is the governor doesn't want accountability if there is not a conviction. that is where we stand today while bob mcculloch wants to remove himself, he cannot do so because it has implications of the cases he has had in the past. >> i'm glad to hear you say it is a practical issue. i could not find any ethical justification for mcculloch to get out at this moment. i think what you are saying, senator, it will be a

and guess what bob mcculloch did?loch allowed for those men, the police officers to go through. >> you're saying the department of justice came in and said the police officers lied about the shooting and bob mcculloch let them go. >> he ruled it was a justifiable homicide. if we want the people in this city to have confidence in fact process, he must step aside immediately. >> council woman irving, do you feel the same way? >> i do. >> you do? >> i do. >> do you think that's a widely held view among politicians at the county level? >> it's definitely a widely held view. the politicians as well as the community. bob mcculloch has a trok record of not being fair. and i believe this will not benefit the family of michael brown. >> we've reached out to prosecutor mcculloch, who i would love to interview and talk to. i think if he were standing right here, he would say, you know, i call 'em a see 'em. heim a longtime prosecutor. a very adept prosecutor, very experienced prosecutor. i've put a lot of people away in prison w

mcculloch, the prosecutor.ould continue with the prosecution? >> i believe he should recuse himself or the governor should come in and put in a special prosecutor. >> reporter: the governor said he would not ask him to recuse himself. >> i heard that. i ask him to reconsider. talking with the local police department or the county prosecutor, there's been a lack of faith between the community and whether justice will be done. we have to restore that faith and so not a lot of people have a lot of faith in the county prosecutor right now. >> reporter: does it put some stink on the police if it's mcculloch, because he's seen as having such close ties with the department? might it be better for the department if it were someone else or no? >> well, i don't think so. bob mcculloch has a proven track record of fair and impartial prosecution. >> reporter: now last night, we all know what happened, and what did not happen. truth of this situation, is it getting better? >> i think we saw improvement last night. i mean it

why won't governor nixon, in your opinion, take mcculloch off? >> as we were speaks earlier today, it's my belief the governor does not want to move bob mcculloch because he does not want to be blamed if there's not a conviction. the governor, in my estimation, has always had his own political interest at heart, and so if there is not a conviction, this community is going to be mad and they're going to be looking at someone to blame. and the governor does not want to accept that blame. >> patricia, characterize the mood for me here in ferguson tonight versus the mood in ferguson seven days ago. >> wow. so the mood's really different. i really, really like what i see right now. it's friday night. i do expect a lot more people to be out because it is friday, but right now it seems -- it's better because i think people are seeing motion moving. they're seeing the department of justice getting involved. eric holder coming out. they're seeing, you know, more petitions being signed to take mcculloch off. they know there's a grand jury process going on.

i'm not removing mcculloch, i am removing mcculloch, and let's get on this. this family deserves nothing less than that. >> later in the day when he was again asked about recusing himself, he choked up as he addressed the speculation that he is biased. >> i know the pain that goes with the loss of a loved one to violence. i know what it's like to look back years later and see what my mother had to put up with. raising the four of us without her husband and companion. and i know what it was like to look back and watch my mother grow old and die without the man she loved at her side. so i know the pain of that, and the fact that he was a police officer killed in the line of duty had nothing to do with any of that. what it did -- did it affect me? absolutely it affected me. what it did for me is made me, i think, a fierce advocate to the end of violence. i know what the brown family is going through right now. >> but protesters worry that experience made him a fierce advocate for police officers. and they do not have much confidence in mcculloch or his record on

it's bob mcculloch. those are the key entities that will oversee law enforcement that might lead to the charging and/or prosecution of the officer in question. >> you're doing a great job. we'll watch tonight. your special coverage from ferguson. >> thank you, rev. >> 8:00 tonight on msnbc. chris hayes, thank you for your time. be sure to watch it now, "all in with chris hayes" live from ferguson tonight at 8:00 p.m. eastern. >>> ahead, michael brown and the renewed focus on civil rights in america. martin luther king, iii, is here. [ male announcer ] ours was the first modern airliner, revolutionary by every standard. and that became our passion. to always build something better, airplanes that fly cleaner and farther on less fuel. that redefine comfort and connect the world like never before. after all, you can't turn dreams into airplanes unless your passion for innovation is nonstop. ♪ captain obvious: tell your travelgrandmother with the. unless your passion for innovation is nonstop. hotels.com loy

the real deal is bob mcculloch does not want to be on this case.has given all of this information about his background and his relationships with police officers. but this is really about the governor. if there is not a conviction, the governor does not want to take responsibility for that. and of course there's going to be unrest. but the governor sees already -- a couple of us have talked about this. he doesn't want to have that responsibility on his hands. and so what he's done, essentially, is to put bob mcculloch in a box. every other case he's ever had will then be put into question. so right now, the pressure really should be on the governor because we're in a state of emergency. by law, constitutionally and station u torely, the governor has the authority to replace bob mcculloch. so it's kind of interesting, because you never want to burn a bridge, but bob mcculloch and my community and i are all in the same place. we don't want him to serve as the prosecuting attorney. the only reason why the governor is doing this is because of his polit

again, there is no confidence in bob mcculloch.you really wanted to do the right thing by ferguson, he would not have been criticizing ron johnson's assignment to that area. ron johnson has a history with ferguson. he lives there. while he was there, there was calm on the streets. ae fact that there is continued military presence in ferguson is what is keeping the fires going. let's be clear on that. so, the outrage and anger and pain that the community is feeling has only been exacerbated by the fact that you pointing at people and you have armored tanks in the street. i keep thinking and wondering what would be the case if that presence was not there. and who would young people be throwing rocks at? if they left the area and if they actually were there to keep peace and calm, as opposed to harassing folks and doing all kinds of things that have been captured not only on social media but by some of the bona fide media. this is a force that has no interest in making sure that this community is safe and calm. they are trying to make

we've gotten word from a spokesperson that bob mcculloch does not expect to step away from his dutieshe governor werer special prosecutor, he would step aside. just earlier on our air, senator claire mccaskill saying that she could see a scenario in which a special prosecutor waszv appoid and bob mcculloch step aside. it's one of thet( key moving pas in all of this. if you talklp to people here, there are basically two things they want to see. one of them is they want to see charges for darren wilson. qt justify chargese1 brought against the officer thate1 shot and killedi] him blocks from whe i'm standing. the governor says that him steppingjf int%1 the case may tt the legal ptm(qááy we have an interesting standoff and i'm not sure if people quite understand what is going on here. the county prosecutor bob mcculloch is saying if the governor makes the first move, he'll step aside but doesn't expect it to happen. the governor saying that bobfá mcculloch has the ability to step aside but he won'tt( st%(( into the situation. and a community and political leaders here who are asking for

bob mcculloch said he would step away, and with that being said, the ball is now in the governor's court. >> the governor says we've got a pillar of democracy, there's a local prosecutor. as you know, the prosecutor has been elected time and time and time again. >> but not by black folks. >> even elected -- >> not by african-americans. african-americans don't trust him. they don't have any confidence that he'll do the right thing. >> wouldn't that apply to any case where he's prosecuting people of color?

mcculloch hasn't said there is a time frame. at least release the information with regard to the investigative process. >> one of the things that's interesting also is that there are some officials down there that deny there is a racial divide at all. you know, the mayor, james knowles spoke with my colleague tamron hall. this is what he said earlier today. listen. >> there is not a racial divide in the city of ferguson. >> according to whom? is that your perspective or do you believe that's the perspective of african-americans in your community? >> that's the perspective of all residents in the city, absolutely. >> not a racial divide. do you think he's listening to his constituents, to the people you talked to since you have been down there? >> i think it's one thing to say there is no racial undertone here. in practice, it's almost like an apartheid state. when you look at the school board not a single african-american on the school board yet the community is 70% african-american. you have three black police officers. you tal

louis county prosecutor robert mcculloch.e have been growing calls both from people in the street as well as from some elected officials that he should recuse himself even though he's been the prosecutor since 1991, for 24 years, because of the fact his dad was a cop who was killed by a black man when he was a kid, and some people believe he is too pro-police. what do you think of that? >> it's an interesting point. picking up on what charles is talking about, chris, because the governor, governor nixon, has refused to appoint a special prosecutor. he had that power, and he has refused. he has remained steadfast in his support for bob mcculloch. >> i wouldn't say he's steadfast in his support, so much so that mcculloch went on radio and said nixon has indicated he has doubts. he should man up. >> he said if he's going to do it, do it quickly. but nixon has not, he's under pressure to do it and he hasn't done it. steadfast may be too strong a word, you're right, but my point is it doesn't look like nixon is a flag flying on th

we want mcculloch off the case, too. it's like having a blind man operate on you. he hasn't convicted a police officer for killing a black men ever. we have concrete demands. i think it's awesome the family is able to join in solidarity, but it's sad it has to be at a funeral. >> reverend, i was reading some history. he writes about nixon and law and order and how seminole the watts riots were in the '60s in creating the politics of law and order. to me it's this question of when do we turn the corner on those politics if >> i think we turn the corner only with the level of resistance that we have seen. these young people have done america to a great service by engaging in civil disobedience and should be celebrated and not demonized. what we see is a low level, what many commentators talked about as a low level turnout is the result of high levels of -- police extractions on television, journalists being attacked. these young people come out and they resist. >> it's worth noting that. people who watch protests, if you've ever been an organizer of a protest, try to

by a black assailant when mcculloch was just a 12-year-old boy.ng me now alex, former police officer. judge, good to see you. so far he's said i'm not stepping down, i can handle this case. here's my question for you, if he goes forward and continues to handle the case and it's not him, it's an underling, he overseas it and is ultimately responsible. if this goes forward and he has to prosecute it, is that good or bad for officer darren wilson? >> well, it could go either way. first of all he doesn't have to get off the case. he's not related to the defendant. he doesn't have a personal interest in it. so legally he doesn't have to. but prosecutors can always get off the case if they choose to, just avoid the appearance of impropriety. the problem i would have if i was the police officer in this case is there's been so much made about this. there's so many people saying he can't be fair, he has a lot of police relatives, his father was killed by a black man using his own gun years ago, 50 years ago, we're talking half a century ago. i'd be afraid

county courthouse while trying to hand deliver a petition, including 70,000 signatures demanding mcculloch step down. >> excuse me. excuse me! this is a public building. this is our first amendment right to assemble peacefully and go inside buildings that we pay taxes for. >> state senator jamilah nasheed joins me now from ferguson. he's also the chairwoman of the missouri black legislative caucus. senator, thank you for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> i want to start out by asking you, regarding that protest and the yellow tape around that government building, were you ever able to find out why that building was being closed and why you were not being allowed in? >> well, they basically said that it was not going to be open to the public due to the protests. what we were able to do was accumulate 70,000 signatures, and those signatures was a

louis prosecutor robert mcculloch.artial. addressing that, he did speak a few days ago about the initial response to the ferguson protest. >> was the police response excessive in ferguson? >> no, i don't think it was excessive at all. everybody was affected by blocks around by the tear gas, i think it gets lost in the shuffle. >> the county prosecutors office did release a statement to cnn this morning and i'm quoting here, mr. mcculloch has been the elected prosecutor in st. louis county since 1991. he's been re-elected every four years by an overwhelming majority of st. louis county. the people havele faith that he will continue to do his duties. joining me now is missouri state senat senator. thank you for being here. >>> senator, you are calling for a special prosecutor to be assigned. tell us why. >> first and foremost, bob mcculloch if you are listening, it is incumbent on you to step up and do the right thing and voluntarily recuse yourself from this investigation. the people and the african-american community,

have made a statement to bob mcculloch. they have no confidence in his ability to be fair and impartial. >> reporter: mcculloch says he has no plans to step down. he'll stay on unless the governor removes him. a grand jury is reviewing evidence, but it could take months to decide whether officer darren wilson will face criminal charges. devin and michelle, it was quiet here overnight, only seven arrests. police credit community leaders with helping to lower the temperature. >> tahman bradley live in ferguson, thank you. >>> former virginia governor bob mcdonnell says there is no way he and his wife maureen could have conspired in a corruption scheme because they had barely spoken to each other for years. on the stand mcdonnell outlined highly personal details of his troubled marriage, and he testified it was his wife who was in constant contact with the owner of a dietary supplement company accused of trading gifts for privileges. >>> a federal judge has declared that florida's ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional.

i want to go back to something you were just saying about bob mcculloch, the prosecutor in this case.ather, mother, brother, uncle, cousin, all work for the st. louis police department. does he have a personal history with county police that could compromise this case? >> the county police connection is integral to his job. he relies on police officers to make his cases. but what people here have told me over and over again is the reason for their distrust is the way he charges african-american people and the way in which he's handling this in their view differently. some people have said he has probable cause to charge the officer with a crime. he doesn't have to go to a grand jury. the fact that he's gone to a grand jury to present the evidence indicates, doesn't confirm, but indicates that he thinks it's a close call, that it could be that it was justified. >> let's listen in again. apparently there's another question being asked about what's happening here in ferguson. let's listen once again to attorney general holder. >> you spoke to the victim's sister yesterday. you've been ve

that if mcculloch were saying these things he's clearly bias.an eventual doj prosecution, eric holder can't be involved because he's already basically said i have your back, people of ferguson. >> well, it's interesting because in both cases neither man would actually try the case. they oversee the office that would try the case. and in both cases people object to the man at the top. dave, great to see you. >> yeah. thanks, megyn. >>> all right. also tonight an amazing turn of events. we end the show with some good news. a doctor infected with ebola in africa, he was on death's door they told us. hay didn't even necessarily want him flying back to the united states for fear ebola was coming here. he gave up the serum to his fellow female doctor because there wasn't enough for both of them. look at him now. that's next. >> i cannot thank you enough for your prayers and your support. but what i can tell you is that i serve a faithful god who answers prayers. your eyes. even 10 miles away. they can see the light of a single candle. look after them

county prosecutor bob mcculloch said the process could last through october. his team has already interviewed wilson and says he will be offered the opportunity to testify. outside the courthouse, protesters called for mcculloch to be replaced by special prosecutor. mcculloch possible, police officer, was killed by an african-american while on duty. the color responded to the calls wednesday to an interview on ktrs radio. fromsolutely no intention walking away from the duties and responsibilities entrusted in me by the people of this commodity. i have done it for 24 years. if i say so myself, i've done a very good job at that, fair and impartial in every matter that comes before us. so when others come to me and say, we want you to go away -- and i understand that. they have the ability and right to do that. but i have tried to say, listen, i'm not going to do that. i'm not walking away from this. i have been entrusted with these responsibilities. i understand having declared a state of emergency, governor nixon has the authority right now to say, mcculloch is

that's bob mcculloch. i believe he cannot do the right thing in this case, has not shown sensitivity to the african-american community. they have no faith in his type of justice. again, it's the wrong person at the wrong time. i believe a special prosecutor will doer more for justice, just as the justice department comes in with the fbi and a separate investigation that gives credibility. mr. mcculloch has no credibility in the african-american community. he has done nothing to reach out to the community to soothe the family or the words he's spoken have said nothing to the outrage of the african-american community. again, that's how people feel. if that's how they feel there is nothing he can do about it. what will cost him to step aside for one investigation? what will cost him to step aside for one prosecution to get an independent prosecutor would be the right thing in the community. more importantly, it would show the african-american community their voices are being heard and that's important to them

mcculloch and he will continue to do his duties.eff tuoobin, thank you very much. >>> as more journalists are getting arrested in ferguson, is the media provoking the situation? or what would you see if the cameras weren't around? we'll answer that question next. [ jennifer ] do you really have time for brown spots? [ female announcer ] aveeno® introduces new positively radiant targeted tone corrector. it helps reduce the look of stubborn brown spots in just two weeks. what are you waiting for? aveeno®. naturally beautiful results™. aveeno®. veggies you're cool... reworking the menu. mayo, corn dogs...you are so out of here! ahh... the complete balanced nutrition of great tasting ensure. 24 vitamins and minerals. 9 grams of protein... with 30% less sugars than before. ensure, your #1 dr. recommended brand now introduces ensure active. muscle health. clear protein drink and high protein. targeted nutrition to feed your active life. ensure. take life in. [ woman ] if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis like me, and you're