august, so, did have a small conference with the cfcs, they invited them to come to mcdill where they spent some time, they spent a short weekend with them but the cfcs reported back to me and said it was very much backward looking and not forward-looking. they wanted to capture what they had done, they were asking them about how can you inform us about how we should move forward with this mark so they were disappointed with that. i heard from the cfcs there is going to be another research conference with the cfcs down at mcdill, this is fort bragg. this is location, different leadership, and i do think you are seeing internal resistance at different levels. >> this actually i think leads to your question as to why there's still this perception that is not wanted where if you look at the public in general, they are like yes, fine, great. it makes everything better. so a lot of it is this mid-level area and i think there's sort of this mid-level leaders that you feel like it's almost there way to get noticed and make their mark. if they can oppose this and become very vocally opposed,