so for mce, the local is limited to 300 customers and it promotes the clean economy. mce eeshgs local option enforces solar energy within that service territory with their program. so evergreen options, it utilizes solar by day and geothermal by night. so the four projects are enrolled in their program. >> so are we having a technical difficulty? >> i'll pick up where she left off. she may have internet connections issues. so there are different local opti options. so basically they're able to use solar by day and geothermal by night. >> commissioner pollock has her hand up, do you have a question about this or comment? >> yes, i was just noticing the different programs available. do we have the opt in rates for evergreen, eco 100, do you know? do you know what their rates are for their 100% renewable product? >> that information is not as publicly available for each. some do advertise that and cleanpowersf does a good job in describing that publicly. we're not able to find all that information out from each of the ccas. >> would that be available with something like