he committed to christian traditional family values mcfall views it as a threat to neighbor all international order and of hope well indeed the roles have been flipped i mean at and the finest side of it is that putin actually did not plan to be you know that's why you know. and i can shine in our defanged increased in badness he had a walk more distance by relations but he came to power in the year 2000 i think you want to crush it to be a normal east european country you know. expand union connections go there where development in sicko and i mean in course with the united states and with your opinion about the problem is that these people you know this ideology pushes him into the conservative camp if you want and makes him defend christian values even more than he would probably like to you know you know it's interesting is that it's . the ideas of george of can in the in the american ambassador to the soviet union very end of the a 2nd world war. came with this famous telegram in foreign affairs you know and it was can do contain the soviet union which i think is very interesting because

farmer bad to russia, michael mcfall. great to see you.. >> so, alexei navalny is calling on his supporters to protest in the streets in russia. that's expected to happen as soon as this week. do you think that this is going to turn into a major event, a major source of protest, a major, potentially a major crisis in russia? >> well, it's hard to predict. it's very cold in moscow and in other cities in russia right now. and there's a lot of uncertainty about his ultimate fate. we don't really know what they're doing with him. they've put him in jail for 30 days. but it won't go away. i want to be clear. maybe it won't happen this weekend. maybe it will happen in months and maybe it will happen in years from now. but i do think this is an inflection point in the struggle between putin's autocracy and the russian democratic movement personified by their leader, alexei navalny. remember, everything needs to remember he was poisoned by this regime. barely survived. went to germany. recovered and then said i'm going back, i have no choice but t

incompatibility between american liberalism and russian conservatism is less convincing for example mcfall former best that russia michael mcfaul cautions against which in smith areas conservative ideology committed to christian traditional theme with family values mike ford views it as a threat to liberal international or the hand of hope well indeed the roles have been flipped i mean and the funny side of it is that who can actually did not plan to be you know that why you know. a knight in shining armor defending christian values he had a lot more modest aspire nations when he came to power in the year 2000 i think you want to crush it to be a normal east european country you know. expanding its connections to the way where the developer needs to call on i mean in course that with the united states and with your opinion about the problem is that these people you know this ideology pushes him into the conservative camp if you want and make him defend christian values even more than he would probably like to you know you know it's interesting is that it's certainly ideas of georgia cannil

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joining me now, ann garin and michael mcfall. good to have you both here. let's get into this. you wrote about biden's call with putin. what are you expecting him to say tomorrow? will there be a major russia reset? >> alex, what we expect vice president -- second time i have do that this week. we're expecting president biden to thank state department employees for their service, for essentially sticking to their knitting during the trump era. it is symbolic move that he's going to the state department to do that. and then we expect him to talk in really pretty broad brush terms about what he wants american policy to look like going forward and it could be summed up as america is back, america is returning to a leadership role in the world. we do expect him to be -- to take on russia a bit and also probably to address in similar terms both china and the sort of larger issues in the hemisphere, cuba and venezuela. on russia, he really got it out of his system with the call with putin a few days ago. >> i want to get to china in a second. michael, how do you think that phone call