top of mazda in always fits told to you we've been speaking with martin j. juliet as an editor of mcgray be the old thank you and thank you for joining us, head on nazi international. we always appreciate your company as well for me for today. my colleague, even though now will be with you at the top of the i with all the very latest the, the line, scott bennett, i'm a former united states army psychological warfare officer. really served in the state department counterterrorism office under investor del bailey. so i wanted to come here to russia in the dawn bass area and gather the facts to take back to the american people for the course or the for don bass of the front line. so this is where the bombs and the bullets are raging. this is where people are dying, this is where the buildings are exploding. so i wanted to see 1st hand the scars of war, the wounds in the street. the level of the building was being collapse. i wanted to see the soldiers that were fighting and hear from them why they were fighting, powerless, fighting started in their opinion, and ultimately, where we're headi

for higher that's this console this now with all guess most and j do on the list under the self. mcgray b, don't old money. thanks for joining us on the program. often before we get to the bbc report, how do you interpret this recent survey? so in a shift, in public opinion, in poland, against providing government benefits to ukrainian refugees and will, sponsors might have contributed to that change of mood. well, who compose like many europeans, particularly in countries that immediately affected by the well having a change of heart. you know, there is a, a shift in the, in the war itself. russia is getting more ground by the day. and many polls and many europeans now starting to actually wake up and smell the coffee, this time to do the arithmetic and see how much public spending is going towards ukraine. the claims will instead of on the health care education, roads, infrastructure and so forth. and so i think it's normal, it's quite normal. the shift has happened it's, it's particularly prominent opponent, but there are other countries, well, where people people have shown through