, but someone came into the bar offering me a digital scanner to buy, and i felt a bit like ewen mcgregor and there was personal phone numbers of all police officers on a particular force, where five years ago, that's a great source of information, what a great story, but now i can't do that, so, yes, the criminal underworld still uses that. do journalists still use digital scanners? i don't know. i think you can buy them in america and you can have done to make them work in the u.k., but i haven't got one. we used a digital scanner, technology beyond me, and i'm sure that as soon as you invent a new better technology, someone over in taiwan will be inventing a way to listen in, an app or, you know, my days have gone in the last 20 years, not the next 20 years. >> can i ask you now about e-mail hacking? >> yes. >> was news of the world responsible for hacking into anybody's e-mail account? >> i don't know. i don't remember that. i certainly nothing i have been ail to do to do a story. >> i understand that you have been made aware of a technology which allows information from smart phones,