general mckenzie: sure. as for the payments, we are working that right now, and it will be difficult, as i noted in my remarks -- it will be difficult to do that without a presence on the ground, and that is just something we will have to work through. i don't have a better answer for you right now other than that we recognize the obligation and we will continue to work that problem. in a situation like this, to go to the second part of your question, as you continue to look at the target over the course of the day, you begin to build probabilities. you begin to way, are we going to take a strike? why are we going to take a strike? when the vehicle came up to .7 -- point seven on your map, we were very concerned about an attack from a white toyota corolla, so the cumulative information of the day led us to the moment of deciding to take the strike. >> one last follow-up -- who actually ordered the strike? who had the final authority to say "fire?" general mckenzie: the target engage in -- engagement authorit

but you old get a more granular view of that from general mckenzie. >> general mckenzie? >> i think had the afghan military fought we would probably have seen the approach tosca buell get into the winter still under the control of the government of afghanistan. a lot of the outlying provinces would not have been. i would note it wasn't so much a collapse of the afghan military as collapse of the afghan government writ large. those two things happened together and they were completely linked together. when you consider one, i think you have to think about the other. >> additionally in retrospect, one of the areas of debate has been whether we should have startled our evacuation earlier. and i recognize that the government asked us not to start our evacuation early. can you speak to what you now know and whether it would have been smarter and more effective if we started to evacuate personnel a year in advance or six months in advance or any time in advance? >> could i ask the senator to -- >> i apologize. i didn't realize my time was expired. i'm submit that for the record

general mckenzie? >> it's my adjustment that the doha agreement did negatively affect the performance of the afghan forces, in particular by some of the actions that the government of afghanistan was required to undertake as part of that agreement. >> and one of the critical issues was the agreement to withdraw contractors, which are basically the engine that maintains the air force of afghanistan and many other logistical operations. and that was just as critical as the troop departure, i would assume? >> it was. we had plans in place to try to conduct those operations from over the horizon. they were not as effective as having contractors on the ground, on site with the aircraft. >> the momentum appeared to be shifting to the taliban. indications were their penetration or parts of the country in the northern sections, particularly which traditionally opposed the taliban, the northern alliance. and that started -- to be fair, that started long before doha. there are some commentators who have suggeste

five yards for mckenzie milton and the noles.> greg: so much poise from milton. two plays in a row in which the player wasn't there to throw it to immediately. he waited, and made a good decision. >> joe: second and five. ward. ward. look at that. getting those pads low. driving the legs. moving the chains. and this is really unique. listen, we got a packed house again. it gets so quiet when mckenzie gets behind center there. they wait to see what the result would be. it's been nothing but magic. he's 5 for 5 for 48 yards. and moving this team, the upset-minded noles, down the field against the number nine team in the country. ward bounces it to the outside. here he goes. it's another first down for florida state. 12 yards there. tre'shaun ward. >> greg: this notre dame defense is on their heels, man. linebackers trying to fit inside, and running backs moving to the outside. florida state is just a step ahead of the irish on every snap. >> joe: florida state was down by 18. mckenzie milton. pressure off the edge, he gets around i

general mckenzie, is it true that u.s. forces have the isis-k cell underen surveillance prior to august 26th and could have struck them before the deadly terrorist attacks at kabul but were not given the authority to strike? >> no, that's not true. >> i noticed that the president was quick to take a victory lap after the first strike and push this tough-guy image, threatened to have union bosses beat me up. he said things like do it, if we find more, we'll strike them. of course this was after he said of the isis-k leaders, we will hunt you down. he said, go get 'em. he's been equally silent, take nothing responsibility for the strike on innocent civilians including children that was in part caused by my view his insecure need to appear tough and just let you take the blame, general mckenzie. but what i really worry about is the aircrews who actually were pressured into pulling the trigger that terrible day. secretary austin, as you know, the north dakota air national guard operates reapers around the world, and i know wha

you get a more granular view on that from general mckenzie. >> general mckenzie. >> had the afghan militaryould have probably seen the kabul bow, the approaches to kabul get into the winter under the control of the government of afghanistan. a lot of the outlying provinces would not have been. it wasn't so much the collapse of the afghan military but the collapse of the afghan government as large. they happened together and they were mreeftly linked together. when you consider one i think you have to think about the other. >> additionally in retrospect one of the areas of debate has been whether we should have started our evacuation earlier. and i recognize that the kabul government asked us not to start our evacuation early. can you speak to what you now know and whether it would have been smarter or more effective if we had started evacuating personnel a year or six months or any time in advance? >> could i ask the senator? >> i didn't realize my time was expired. i'll submit that for the record. >> thank you very much. senator fisher, please. >> thank you, mr. chairman i would like to th

my biggest takeaway, we have no counter terrorism strategy and milley and mckenzie testifyod this, mckenzie said he is not confident we can prevent al qaeda or isis. >> harris: i am rushing, it is top of the hour, kayleigh and emily, everybody on "outnumbered," quick one for us as we ark wait the panel to reconvene. thanks for watching fox news. our coverage continues on "america reports." >> sandra: the senate armed services adjourning for a break, set to resume 30 minutes from now. the nation's top military leaders facing tough questioning on capitol hill for the first time since the chaotic exit from afghanistan. hello and welcome, everyone, i'm sa

i agree with general mckenzie. that's when you can begin to see things really begin -- >> with the last four seconds, i appreciate your time. very intriguing that it seems like the doha agreement might've been a pivotal point. thank you. with that, i yield back. >> general milley, you said today you saw this as strategic failure. as a 30-year veteran who's been deployed four times myself. i haven't served as long as three of you. it breaks our heart. i think most veterans are heartbroken at the blood on the treasure spilled. the strategic failure. i think we are enraged by it. then we have the president come out and say that this was a success and he had no regrets. that does not break our heart. that makes us mad as hell. to say that up front. secondly president biden on abc said that no one that he can recall advised him to keep a force of 2500 troops in afghanistan. that's not true. we heard yesterday and we are today that the chairman of the joint chiefs and the commander advised fridley. i have no other view t

general mckenzie, cnn. you mentioned you saw shapes in the video that led you to believe that this necessitated an investigation that there could have been more civilians. september 1, we heard from general milley that called this a righteous strike. did you also believe this was a righteous strike and can you talk about your erosion of confidence over the next two weeks of the investigation? >> sure. i think we issued a statement from the central command about six hours after the strike acknowledging the possibility of civilian casualties. we knew from the beginning there was a possibility of civilian casualties. i think we still thought we had good reason to have taken that strike and it took us the gathering of facts to change that. we didn't think -- as you understand and appreciate, we didn't take the strike because we thought we were wrong. we took the strike because we thought we had a good target. it takes awhile to uncover those things. we move them as rapidly as we could. we worked extremely rapid

general mckenzie is it true that u.s. forces had the isis-k cell under surveillance and could have struck them against the terrorist attacks against kabul but not given the authority to strike ?oo >> no, that's not true. >> the president was quick to take a victory lap after the first strike and push the tough guy image and once threatened to have union bosses beat me up. if we find more we'll strike them. this was after he said the isis-k leaders we will hunt you down. he talks tough, go get them. i also notice he has been equally silent taking no responsibility for the strike on innocent civilians including children that was in part caused by in my view his insecure need to appear tough. he just let you take the blame, general mckenzie. what i really worry about is the air crews who were pressured to pull the trigger that terrible day. the north dakota air national guard operates reapers around the world and i know what kind of pressure those air crews are under and the level of responsibility they feel to accomplish th

general mckenzie? >> the war on terror is not over and the war in afghanistan is not over either. >> has the exit from afghanistan made the war more challenging for us or less challenging? with respect to continuing to try and protect the home land and u.s. interest broad. >> maez it more challenging. >> you agree? >> absolutely. >> related note, "wall street journal" article published august 31 said u.s. official acknowledge the military lost 90% of intelligence collection capabilities using drones before the draw down, do you agree with that? >> i didn't see the report, say again what it said. >> we have lost 90% of intelligence collection capabilities it had using drones before the draw down. >> i would have to look at my information, i am determining the level of irs in statistics. it is significant, i don't know about 90%. >> on the sids and folks in afghanistan, is it fair to say human intelligence network, given the current status and the fact many left behind, fair to say that has been stressed

probably get a better view of that from general mckenzie. >> general mckenzie? >> i think the afghan military fought we would have probably seen the kabul bowl, the approaches to kabul get into the winter still under the control of the governor of afghanistan. lot of the outlying provinces would not have been. i wouldn't note it wasn't so much the collapse of the afghan military as the collapse of the afghan government writ large. they happened together and they were completely linked together. so when you consider one i think you have to think about the other. >> additionally in retrospect, one of the areas of debate had been whether we should have started our evacuation earlier. and i recognize that the kabul government asked us not to start our evacuation early. can you speak to what you now know and whether it it would have been smarter or more effective in we had started evacuating personnel a year in advance or six months in advance or any time in advance? >> gonna -- >> i apologize. i didn't realize my time was expired. i'll submit that for the record. >>

and this relates to general mckenzie. talked about the 2,500, the recommendation, discussion about 2500 troops. was that for a particular set of missions. >> when we looked at the 2500 number we were looking at a force that had very limited advise assist at a high level. assist and logistics management for the afghans but it would have been functioning at very high levels. that was the force we wanted to continue to keep on the ground. as we went down, as we looked at going down to 650 you get a force that is almost exclusively built around the ability to defend the embassy and the air field and provide entry level logistics to the afghans. by that i mean a package comes into the airport. you get it to the afghan, they drive it away and you have no way to track what happened. we lost that capability. >> but based on the civilian leadership saying this is what the civilian leadership wants to do. you get to, and i know -- you are not arguing this point. you make the recommendations given your best advice and then civilian

general mckenzie? >> al qaeda was present in afghanistan. >> the president called this entire retrograde operation an extraordinary success. general miller in his testimony disagreed with that assertion. general milley, was this operation an extraordinary success? >> there's two operations, senator. >> just yes or no. i have a lot of questions. was this an extraordinary success? >> with all due respect there's go operations. there's retrograde which miller was in charge of. and there's the neo. the retrograde was executed in mid july. >> would you use the term extraordinary discuss for what took place in august in afghanistan? >> that's the noncombatant evacuation. >> here's the problem. i think the whole world knows. this is the cover of economist magazine, biden's debacle. that had stories and articles in it called "the fiasco in afghanistan is a huge and unnecessary blow to america's standing." that was one article. joe biden blames everybody else, that's another article. china sees america humbled.

you've taken full responsibility for that, general mckenzie. i have a series of information that i would like released to this committee. so that we can adequately provide oversight to what occurred on august 29th. what we know from your prior statements, you did not know, who was in the car, whose house it was, or who or how many people were in the house. this greatly concerns me as we look to the over the horizon claims that the administration has of its ability for counterterrorism. you did not, as your goal was stated, thwart or disrupt an innocent attack, you killed an innocent man, and yet an attack didn't happen. there are serious concerns regarding the information you had and the manner in which the execution occurred. i request that it would be released to this committee relevant video excerpts from the drones of august 29th, the protocols that were in place prior to this drone attack mission. the intelligence that an attack was imminent against our forces, and the approval of any of authorization to modify those protocols, including a

central command mckenzie. the topic afghanistan and much more.'s drop in for day two. >> more importantly i would like to remember and honor the 2461 who made the ultimate sacrifice with the 20,000 who bore the physical wounds of war and those who bear the unseen wounds of war. we'll debate policy decisions related to the mission in afghanistan i speak for the entire committee when we express our gratitude to those and their families who sacrificed so much over those last 20 years. we owe them a debt that cannot be repaid. i agreed and continue to agree with the decision that was made to end our military presence in afghanistan. it was the right decision. our larger mission to help build a government in afghanistan that could govern effectively and defeat the taliban had failed. more money and more lost american lives were not going to change that. the events we witnessed in afghanistan in the wake of the collapse of the afghan government in august happened primarily because of this reality because of the fundamental reality that our mission to t

florida community, many writing, mckenzie is a hero.s an e-cigarette battery charger most likely caused the fire. the owner has a lot of damage to take care of inside the house but she's grateful fiona will be there to cheer her up during that process. mona, andrew? >> thank you, will. you know pets mean so much to people so this was quick thinking by that little girl. >> mckenzie only 11 years old and she's already a hero. >>> right now on "america this morning," back to school covid concerns. infections among children hitting a record high and now president biden set to outline a new strategy to fight the coronavirus as more states call on the military to help treat patients at overwhelmed hospitals. doctors weigh in on what's different right now. >>> breaking overnight, a strong earthquake jolting a popular resort town in mexico. the images just coming in. >>> abortion ban backlash. what the texas governor said when asked why the state's new abortion law lacks an exception for rape victims. >> britney's big win. the surprising new st

i defer to frank mckenzie to talk about the neo planss at that time. >> general mckenzie. >> we hold a neo plan, we had a plan to bring out mainly american citizens and people associated with the embassy, planning later began to encompass the larger population, like every other plan centered on americans and their families. >> when you say the plan grew to include that, what was the timeframe? >> early spring of this year. >> so under this administration? >> yes, yes. and general milley, in your testimony yesterday you testified trump administration plan's had not been developed via robust interagency process, how closely were you consulted on president trump's plans as they were developed? >> i wasn't consultod 11 of november order that i received. that is why i went over to the white house with acting secretary miller and white house chief of staff patell, i wasn't consulted on. >> my time has expired. >> mr. waltz. >> thank you, mr. chairman, here is where i think we're talking past each other. this war is not done. it is not over. this is a war against islamic extremism, war agai

general mckenzie you want to try that? >> it's a reasonable criticism. we will have to take a look at how we actually remain connected to the people down at the advisory level. i it's something that i am conflicted by that as well very candid with you. what we'll certainly take a look at that. i've heard that same strain myself. it is harder to get the truth as you become more senior. we need to look at ways to insure it is conveyed in a more effective way. i'll accept that criticism. >> thank you for your testimony. >> mr. scott is recognized. >> thank you, mr. chairman and gentlemen i need your help fairly immediately on two issues. one of which can't be discussed in this setting but the other one can. there are 145 afghan air force personnel in -- it is now september 29th. we need to get them out of that country. people who trained and fought with us and did everything we asked of them and we have got no assistance at all from the state department. to move them. i'm asking all three of you for your help in addressing the issue. secretary austin, we ne

general mckenzie said the war on terror and the war in afghanistan is not over that from general mckenzie. >> yeah, i absolutely agree with that statement. the thing that nobody wanted was the taliban to take over afghanistan because everybody knows that it will be likely become an epicenter again certainly for al-quaida because they will obviously have a safe haven and isis in ungoverned space because there's no way the taliban can control all of afghanistan. they don't have enough forces or people to do anything like that. so these organizations are going to grow. that's what these commanders are so concerned about. yes, al-quaida is in other places. in every one of those places, syria, iraq, isis there as well, yemen and east africa, we are very close to that enemy force. we can approach them with ease. it's not over the horizon. that is their concern here. they said it's not impossible. but it's going to be very hard is the words they're using to describe it. it's not so much conducting a strike. it's to get the daily intelligence that we're able to get from the afghan security forces

general mckenzie, if i have to look back at what i said, but general mckenzie understands how to do this, as to all the other commanders, quite frankly. is not just central command. there are other commanders who are dealing with terrorist threats. africa, even the pacific. they understand. the authorities that they have, they also understand that even within those authorities, there might be times when a broader discussion is warranted. i think, again, it is not a useful exercise to go through the authority on every possible strike. what matters, is that the american people know, we have the capability, and we are going to keep the capability, we are going to make it more robust. we are not going to list site on a threat going forward. it is difficult for me on the third of september to tell you what that threat will look like, on any particular day, except to say that our commanders know the authorities they have and the response ability they have. they will act accordingly. >> i'm grant -- i'm glad the commanders know their authorities, it would be trouble if they didn't. but they're

the chairman of the joint chiefs general mark milley, general frank mckenzie and defense secretary lloyd austin grilled on the chaotic withdrawal of u.s. troops from afghanistan and the swift collapse to the taliban. general milley calling the 20-year war, quote, a strategic failure. and general milley also questioned about calls with his counterpart in china during the final months of the trump presidency. how he explained it. martha raddatz reporting and terry moran with reaction from the white house. >>> also tonight, news on vaccines for children 5 to 11. what we learned from pfizer today. and boosters for adults. tonight, the new study here on side effects. and on this question of mixing and matching, what dr. fauci said just today. >>> the high stakes negotiations under way at the white house and on the hill tonight. those two infrastructure bills and the president's domestic agenda at stake. will the vote on the bipartisan bill be postponed again? what house speaker nancy pelosi said when asked today. and all of this with a potential government shutdown looming. rachel scott on th

what stands out to me you heard how general mckenzie and generally said they recommended keeping 2500 troops if not more on the ground in afghanistan and you heard that interview with george stephanopoulos, who asked if he was advised to keep troops on the ground and the president said no one said that that he can recall and that is a huge admission and it does make you wonder what was behind the scenes in these conversations leading to this point in august and the question remains how many americans and allies are on the ground in afghanistan? we don't know that exact answer. >> i personally don't believe there are 4000 american citizens left in afghanistan but cannot confirm or deny that. jillian: how can we not confirm or dean i? i don't understand. >> you are the leader of the pentagon in the united states of america, we should have an answer or at least some sense of eagerness to find the answer. potentially thousands of american citizens was this boils down to lack of accountability at the end of the day, lack of leadership, all of this explained by larry logan here. >> didn't h

centcom commander general mckenzie described as a, quote, tragic mistake. takes full responsibility, offering his sincere and profound condolences to the family. he said they had received 60 different intelligence reports of an imminent attack on hamid karzai international airport. a u.s. official earlier told us they had been monitoring intelligence from an isis safe house. the drone strike came just days before when the isis suicide bomber took 170 service members and afghans. and they went about the daily routine believing he was load explosives into the car when he in fact was lifting containers of water into the vehicle. when he pulled into the family compound a u.s. official with knowledge of the operation told cnn that drone operators watched the car for 45 minutes before taking the shot. they then realized there were three children in the compounds. we have now learned with further analysis, the u.s. admits there were even more children in the vicinity of the drone strike. a total seven children were killed. general mckenzie said there will be a rev

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general mckenzie admitting that strike was a tragic mistake. but the hearings focused likely to go far beyond the end of america's longest war. general milley expected to address revelations from a new book that detailed actions he took in the final months of the trump presidency including calls to his chinese counterparts to assure them the united states was not planning an attack. heading into today's hearing, some republicans have accused milley of treason, called for his resignation for what they see as going out of the chain of command. let's begin on capitol hill, this morning, cnn's jessica dean is there. general milley will be at the center of today's hearing. what more are are we expecting this morning? >> reporter: you laid out a perfect map there, erica. we are expecting this testimony and this hearing to be highly charged because of all the reasons you just addressed. first, of course, they're going to talk about the withdraw from afghanistan. this is the first time that lawmakers, senate lawmakers have the chance to ask general mil

and as general mckenzie indicated it was in theater, it was the over-the-horizon commander. and i'm not saying where that is, i think i know where that is, but that'll be another question that comes up. whether there will be an effort to tighten the controls in terms of what is very often fleeting intelligence, targetable intelligence that then needs to go through different layers before you have a strike authority. but those are the necessary things that have to be discussed when you have a tragedy -- i mean, an unimaginable tragedy like we experienced. and the good news is, obviously, and we were talking about this earlier, the united states came forward and said we made a mistake. there aren't many nations that would do that as quickly and as folsomly and as honestly as the united states. i'm not shocked the united states, that dod came forward and said mea culpa, we made a mistake here. >> i have to say i'm not a big fan of the term over-the-horizon strike. i understand that's military speak for we're not in the country that we're attacking. but it kind of makes it sound

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>> . >> general mckenzie said those that were injured. >> so for four or five hours? that happens we investigate. >> what w is your question? it doesn't take much to answer that. >> . >> i am assuming those at multiple levels to see those investigations there's a lot of questions i have the have to be in a classified environment i also sit on a different committee that has different insight and those who authorize at what level and if we take accountability i make strike they live under rules of engagement i have those i like and did not like i had to make hard decisions but i don't want to blame someone i want to make sure we get the level in the rules of engagement were proper and followed for whoever didn't follow those so the strike was done that we have a rising capability because we reported a secondary explosion we reported all kinds of stuff who did we kill? >> i prefer to pass that name in a classified setting. it was a facilitator and a good strike. we got someone although not directly involved in the attack on the 26th , certainly fell within that. >> i wou

general mckenzie mentioned a white toyota corolla. anyone that's been to kabul knows that's all over the streets of kabul. someone can't tell you there's a white toyota carolla you should be following, there are thousands on the streets of kabul. failure of intelligence, being able to follow the car around, follow the men around, not able to look at the place they target the attack to see if there are civilians there playing, women walking in and out of the yard. that's intelligence failure. that's what's going to continue to happen without having people on the ground. as for payments to the family, first of all, you're right. how are they going to get a payment to them. secondly, what is a payment going to do when you lost your husband, when you lost your children, when all you can see are the body parts of your children on the ground replaying over and over in your head. it is a bit offensive if you think about it to think money is going to change any kind of feeling in their hearts and minds about what happened. >> i remember the i

general mckenzie can say that he is accountable for this. okay. he should resign and face a court-martial. the real question is whether the white house pressured the military to do this. we know the white house press slurred the fda to take action. they declined to do so. >> neil: so we do know that now despite the earlier talk that the military was a go with the president's goal to take out our troops and they thought the government would hang on, turns out that a couple of them did not think that was the case and were worried about it. so again, the narrative keeps changing because the folks that were behind it now seem compelled to set their side of the story. what do you make of it? >> right. the diversity of opinions ought to be okay. that's why you have the joint chief, the top uniform person, the top of our armed services and a chairman and vice chairman, duty bound to give their honest assessment to the president. the idea that all of these individuals gave the advice that it's okay to jump out of afghanistan in a haphazard way, being stuc

thank you, general general mckenzie. i understand you do not have the statement awkward through the way my, my stipend order gets back on schedule. thank you very much. general secretary larson the, the dell har agreement represents direct negotiations with terrorist and not just negotiations, but an agreement with them. that excluded the afghan government and the allies. we've been finding with us now since 911. it said a 6 departure day with conditions has been indicated. we're not really can follow consistently by the taliban, as you can sit in in april. what to do? did the intelligence suggest to you that reneging on the departure of the troops would lead to significant attacks against american and allied military forces? chairman, to my recollection the, the intelligence it was clear that if we did not leave in accordance with that agreement, the taliban would would recommend a tax on our forces. and they would include the blind green attacks. and any other means they could use to attack american forces? that's corr

general mckenzie, tara cobb with defense one. since there are no more forces on the ground, how would payment be provided to family members, if they are provided. i know you walked us through the time line at the beginning of this but can you give us the overall amount of time spent identifying and confirming this target before the strike was ta taken. >> sure. we're working that right now. it will be difficult, as i noted in my remarks, it will be difficult to do that without a presence on the ground. that's just something we'll have to work through. i don't have a better answer for you right now other than we recognize the obligation and we'll continue to work with that problem. in a situation like this, as you continue to look at the target over the course of the day, you begin to build probabilities. you begin to lay, are we going tyke a strike? why are we going to take a strike? when the vehicle came up to final point which is as i've noted the closest to the airfield it's been all day. we are very concerned about black coro

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that is a point general mckenzie made. an important point point for people to understand as we assess over-the-horizon threats and targets in the future. reporter: at some point there may be something? jen: i would say the president's desire to continue to go after isis k has not changed. reporter: the issue of immigration. the parliamentarian that legalization for dreamers can't be part of the reconciliation as currently crafted. given this is a top priority a key part in black. latinos here in this white house, how engaged my might the president get on this because of the specific alternative proposals that have a chance of actually getting passed? jen: there are a number of senators who have spoken to their intention of putting forward alternative proposals. because of their commitment and our shared commitment, of course, to moving immigration reform forward and protecting dreamers and others. so the president supports those efforts. certainly he has long stated his support for immigration being a part of reconciliatio

secretary austin, general milley, general mckenzie, you have each led troops in combat in afghanistanat the theater level and advised our nation's top leaders on our afghanistan strategy. you have played significant roles throughout this war and i hope that you are forthcoming in your answers today. to begin, i would ask that you provide an accounting of the intelligence and other key assessments that factored into your judgments about the viability of the afghan government and afghan forces and how those trends changed over time. i'd like to know any lessons you have identified for how we can more effectively work by, with and through partner nation forces in the future. additionally i would like to understand what factors you attribute to the taliban's success and whether we missed indicators and warnings of their imminent takeover. finally, while we have transitioned our military from afghanistan after largely achieving our counterterrorism objectives, we must continue to ensure that afghanistan can never again be used as a base for terrorist groups to conduct operations against th

this answers your question, mckenzie. i think if the bipartisan leadership of the two authorization committees really believe that an effort like this would make the department substantially for effective, more accountable. >> plenty of ideas out there. i really think that this is a case where they need to sit down and say we can do this. >> i think we have the ideas. i think they need to focus on the areas for the biggest productivity gains. >> if we fix the acquisition process and we get the department to change its personnel and i think we are 3 quarters of the way there with those two things and if they are too big we can live with that. >> you're exactly right. that's where the money is. you've hit the nail on the head. >> make the department run better and what makes any enterprise run better. people? and then, of course, the inventories and the technologies that they use. i think a lot of it mckenzie is probably just convincing them. it's probably a two-year effort. >> you, will of course, have the last word. you r

mckenzie would have sanctioned an operation like this. we know that the senior leadership of the pentagon advising the president it would end the way it ended if he did not retain the capability to protect americans but also to deter the taliban. regardless what you think about our presence in afghanistan, whether we should have stayed for the long run or not, that's irrelevant. what happened on the ground is right at the feet of those in the white house, national security council and ultimately with the president of the united states. elizabeth: you know military experts agree the withdrawal was a fiasco. it came in the context of the entire 20 year chaotic war. generals milley and mckenzie confirmed they told the president don't do a rapid withdrawal, afghanistan will collapse. senator blackburn said the push to rush out resulted in the death of 13 troops and abandonment of countless citizens and allies. that is a heavy thing to deal with. what do you say? >> it's a debacle. the economist was right this is biden's debacle. 13 americans

there was a plan for the rapid collapse and that was the neo plan that general mckenzie had come up, and it's what was executed. that's why those 6,000 troops could deploy as rapidly as they did. those why all the aircraft showed up. that wasn't done without planning. that done with planning and that was done from an operational and tactical standpoint. that was a success. strategically, strategically the war is lost. the enemy is in kabul so you have a strategic failure while you simultaneously have an operational and tactical success by the soldiers on the ground, so i think we're conflight some things that we need to separate in this after action review process so that we clearly understand exactly what happened. sorry for taking that you will time but i thought it was necessary. >> thank you, senator hauly. >> senator kell, please. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. secretary, let me begin by expressing my gratitude to each of the over 100,000 americans, many of them arizonans who served in afghanistan over the past 20 years and to their families. i also commend our service members

u have to be there. >> general mckenzie went further in his assessment of u.s. mistakes.gust, in an interview with abc news, president biden said that he could not recall having received advice from the military about keeping some trps in afghanistan. general kenzie said that's exactly -- general mckenzie said that's exactly what he had given the president. >> i recommended we retain 2500 troops in afghanistan. those were my personal views. i also have a view that the withdrawal of those forces would lead inevitably to the collapse of the afghan military forces and eventually the afghan government. >> the government and lawmakers were more than happy to take aim at the current administration for its role in the frantic withdrawal. >> that president biden and his advisors didn't listen to the combat commander, he didn't listen to congress, and he failed to anticipate what all of us knew would happen, so, in august, we all witnessed the h orror of the president's own making. >> our correspondent explained what we learned about the afghanistan withdrawal from tuesday' testim

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and she also was an associate at global consulting for mackenzie in company who what is, was mckenzie and company is a small mom and pop out that that sells a printer with pictures of the movie on them. no, it's not. it's a massive management consulting firm. oh, my god, how good shape a massive management, what's a massive management consultant for? what is that? well, glad you asked, i looked it up. they held corporations run their operations. so they're hired by some of the biggest, most evil, most dastardly entities in the world. in order to come up with plans for how to be more evil and more dastardly. but i would say, what is one of the best known corporate scandals and reason memory. but the idea, ron scandal wealth, says right here, mackenzie had been a key architect of the strategic thinking that made enron a was a darling that all came crashing down later. but not before mackenzie had cash. dana ok, so good yell, yell, another massive corporate scandal. anybody, anybody? yeah, yeah, one was that o p o crisis, i'm sure they had nothing to do with the open crisis. let's see. m

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mckenzie provided this map to reporters. military followed the car up and down those lines for six hours with six drones, watch the driver put drugs in the truck and park less than two miles from the airport. mckenzie's of the strike was not rushed rush, they chose it location he thought was isolate and even of the missile time to try to minimize civilian capital -- casualties. and yet despite all those safeguards with a thousand right target was the wrong one and they missed the fact that there was an entire family nearby. we now know the driver was 43-year-old -- was a 43-year-old, a longtime worker for u.s. funded a group. u.s. military says it is considering preparation. >> beyond tragedy. what does this say about the future of these kinds of air shot -- airstrikes? >> these are the so-called over the horizon airstrikes, counterterrorism airstrikes the u.s. has been talking about. mckenzie said the strike was about and in -- imminent threats. and that future strikes and have more time that the drones would have more time