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, dr rachel mckinnon, who's a doctor of philosophy, but nonetheless...vel cyclist. no, she's a master cyclist. so she's, she's a master cyclist. in her level and her age group, she's a top level cyclist. if she was competing in the male event, she would win a medal in the 70 age category. by what you and indeed martina navratilova tweeted about this issue, and she said that what you have said smacks of being transphobic, and can you understand that? i absolutely dispute that comment. i don't think i'm transphobic by any shape or form. i'm absolutely happy for anyone to live their life life as they want to. i believe that gender is a social constraint and anyone who chooses to be whichever gender they would like to be to live socially, is fine by me. if you're not hurting anybody else, live however you want to live. however, sport is based in biology. so if we were in sport, we need to categorise it by sex. by the chromosomes that you're born with and that is something that if you want to protect, female spot, if you want young girls to be able to be invo

i knew kids mckinnon thanks so much for joining us. thousands of people have taken to the streets in cities across albania demanding the resignation of prime minister eddie rama opposition parties called the demonstrations hoping to force rama to resign and cool snap elections now the violence is the latest in 3 months of antigovernment protests albania is a member of nato and the candidate to join the european union. protesters took their grievances and their molotov cocktails straight to the prime minister's office the opposition democratic party accuses the government of millipede laving election results 2 years ago opposition leader load seen by so blames the pace of talks with the e.u. on government corruption the. court did their hits a day to send the 1st and claim message to prime minister eddie rama we will not allow you to block a road towards europe any more rum i must go right. now banning is one of the poorest countries in europe and many here have high hopes for a u. membership discussions about joining the bloc were supp

a minute it's mckinnon thank you so much for joining us. a european told by the u.s. secretary of state might compare to a strained start when he and german chancellor angela merkel failed to agree on very much a toll and they did agree that they had shed valleys but there was little meeting of minds beyond that policy towards iran is the main cause of friction between the 2 allies. it took mike pompei 0400 days to find time to visit berlin and then officials scheduled only 45 minutes for talks with chancellor angela merkel on trouble spots afghanistan and syria libya and iran. in the world is in great turmoil above all the question of the run and how to prevent iran from acquiring nuclear weapons the visits what not. nor did pump ayos discussions with germany's foreign minister bring the 2 countries closer together washington has been raising the pressure on iran well european countries struggle to save the nuclear deal iran signed 4 years ago this of this is also no secret that we are pursuing different approaches towards that and. at the rate at why from our point

a big, fun, fantasy world. >> we've come to know and love kate mckinnon on "snl." so much. >> please, don't give us any bad news. >> oh, no, no, no. >> okay. good. you mentioned shelly duvall's inspiration. celebrities. major, major a-listers on the show. meryl streep. >> we lucked out. >> meryl streep. can you believe? >> i really cannot. >> we thought it was a joke. showed up that morning and -- she's not going to come by. >> not comingw. we thought someone would come out of the elevator say, don't you dare dream again. this is a lesson to show you how much you didn't deserve this but she walked off the elevator. >> the sweetest woman. >> like i'm listening to the show right now. exactly what the mmedieval show about. >> crazy. we love it so much. >> you also did the music for it, too? >> right. we wrote the songs that is a lute, right? can you confirm? >> neither of us do play the lute at this time. >> yeah. >> this is deceptive, but that's okay. >> we may steal it and learn. >> the other thing to get into, seems important, i understand you both are cat people.

but it's you know not just below it was jerick mckinnon didn't really get to see much of him yesterdaye was out there, but he wasn't taking any drills that i got to and the niners as a matter of fact have. 12 players who are limited or not play at all in ot, a is so you know that's that's a lot of guys so i feel like there's i'm going to be a lot. you know we're kind of coming into this time of year with more questions than answers and it could shopfor up to 40% offal day eveon appliances...first ...plus use your sears card and get an extra 10% off. and you'll also get three hundred dollars cashback in points. sears, making moments matter. >>> travel consideration provided by -- >>> tomorrow on "e.t." -- ♪ here's a story >> of an "e.t." exclusive. only one show can take you inside the very brady renovation revealed. >> it's now a version of the brady house. >> tomorrow on "e.t." >>> oh, i want to live here. oh, my gosh. >> is keltie all right? keltie knight as you can see, absolutely flipped over christina's new home in california. that's where christina married ant anstead. >> interes

rachel mckinnon became the first known trans—woman world champion in any sport which sparked a fierce you say anything, speak out all of a sudden you are not being inclusive on who are transforming and it is not about being inclusive, it is about what is fairand being inclusive, it is about what is fair and what is fairfor women being inclusive, it is about what is fair and what is fair for women and girls. i know some of the women and they did not say anything bad, they just said they thought it wasn't fairand just said they thought it wasn't fair and they got absolutely hounded and bullied into almost apologising, they were not allowed to say it wasn't fair. amid all the noise the sports authorities are considering their next move. we have listened to female voices and human rights and experts in the scientific experts and athletes themselves have a very important voice in this so it is very important that everybody has had input and also

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nathan mckinnon, batted in his own rebound. to get him on the board. 1-0, that would be all they would need. sharks did have a chance, though. gus knight was the other way. but got a pad on it. what a great save. shark couldn't even get it done, with a man advantage. timo myers. bridge shot. one of the few chances they had. colorado just a step faster, on the other hand. sharks couldn't clear the puck. collin wilson buried in, to make it 2-0. colorado added an empty-netter. to even the series. grubyer save for his play-off. game 5, saturday in san jose. >> i don't think that we have been playing bad. the games we lost. we've still been in them. we just gotta find a way to push through that and learn from it. and you know, move forward. again, we're not alone out there. they're a good team as well. and you can't win them all. >> i mean, let's be honest, you know? i don't think anyone was thinking we were going to come here and sweep both games and we had a chance to get through that game. >> pivot to the nba play-offs. up 2-0 in

on the doorstep, here is a big pileup in front and the pressure mckinnon. boo good hand-eye 1-0 avalanche. finally, the second period, gus nyquist scores. instead, grubauer with the save. in the third, the scramble in front. colin wilson slams it home. power play play goal. the avs win 3-0. game five saturday night in san jose. >>> three days rest between play-off games comes at a great time for the warriors. steph curry's dislocated finger, that's improving. he had it taped up today. but did go through a full practice and shooting drills afterward. the other splash brother has full confidence steph will be fine. >> it's not that fun, but i know steph. he'll get it back. i mean, dislocated, it sucks, the worlly you can pop it's not like he tore ligaments or anything, so he'll tough it out. >> and abc7 news is the one and only place you can catch game three between the warriors and the rockets. saturday night tip-off 5:30 followed by after the game. >>> nba tonight joel embiid and the sixers. did it all. 33 point, 10 rebounds, 5 blocks, 3 assist, 1 salute, c

nathan mckinnon, one of the fastest talented players in the nhl.lightning reflexes. 1-0. his 6th in the postseason. colin wilson will beat. they had an empty net. eric carlson shot. sacrificed body, spirit, and mind right there to stop the shot. their goalie philip was excellent. 32 save in a shut out. the series is even 2-2. at the tank, saturday night, the sharks try to retake command. the warriors have taken off in houston. steph curry practiced fully today. the dislocated finger on his left hand is especially apparently okay. back east, the loan game tonight, philly showing off their hall of famer allen iversen, former mvp. he will likely see toronto. no answer for this. 23 run in the fourth. 22 points, nine rebounds. ai approves of the action. look at this guy. a freight train run. nobody wants to get near him. philly goes up over toronto. theycity of brotherly love with a 2-1 lead. >>> it was a particularly excellent class for the bay area sports hall of fame tonight. infected in san francisco, here is a look at the five inductees. dave drave

the way that you have, do you understand why for example, some transgender athletes such as rachel mckinnonles. she was competing in the mail events. she would be in the 70 age category. what you have said smacks of being transferred because of can you understand that?” absolutely dispute that comment. i don't think i'm transferring to shape issue before. i'm absolutely happy for anyone to live the life life they want to. gender is a social constraint and anyone can choose to be whichever gender they like to live socially, that's fine. they're not hurting anyone, live how you want to live. however, sport is based on biology. so if we were in sport, we need to categorise it by sex. by the chromosomes that you're born with and that is something that if you want to protect, female spot, if you want to protect, female spot, if you want young girls to be able to be involved in sport and make their dreams come true, they have to protect them otherwise it won't happen, we will lose that opportunity. without getting too deep into that biology and science, this interesting work —— work by joanna har

star-studded night of fund-raising featuring kelly clarkson, blake shelton, jane lynch and kate mckinnon special tune in thursday night, 8:00, 7:00 central right here on nbc. >>> now to may major milestone at west point. the academy will graduate more african-american women cadets than it has in its 217-year history. here's nbc's morgan radford. >> reporter: it's a class photo gone viral 34 black female cadets standing on the stairs of west point academy. part of the most diverse class in the school's history. how does it feel to be a part of that history >> it was just a very overwhelming feeling to see all of our sisters us just standing there in solidarity >> reporter: these women have formed a sisterhood that's also a support system with more than 900 students in their graduating class, black women make up less than 4% >> it hasn't always been pretty. >> when you say it hasn't always been pretty, what do you mean? >> there are some moments here where you feel like oh, am i worthy you know, do i deserve to be here >> i definitely struggled sometimes because sometimes i'd be like the o

thank you again kate mckinnon.cecelia. ciara fans are pulling out the fun. these are twins. pearl is a cancer [ applause ] they have full ciara moves. show me level up. right. give me the other one. uh-huh. i don't know what that's called. i like it. lot of energy. keep it going. everybody join in. level up! we're so ready for more leveling up and ciar >>> good morning. welcome to friday and some of the fog this morning. highs will taper a little bit this weekend. it's still going to be hot. the 90s are coming inland next week. today low to mid-60s,oa san ancisco.mid to upper 70s foe bay. look at the low to mid-80s inland. tonight we'll have free air conditioning, though. low to mid-50s in most neighborhoods. my accuweather seven-day forecast, a chance of thunderstorms sunday. otherwise dry and really hot next week. >>> all right, we're going to turn to our "gma" cover story. alarming new numbers in the measles outbreak. the number of cases now passing the record set 25 years ago. 971 reported cases across the coun

shortly after, one of the fastest and talented nathan mckinnon knocks in his own rebound.. 1-0. that was his 6th for the postseason. colin wilson will beat jones right here 2-0. the avalanche had an empty nature. this is nhl play of hockey. look at matt. sacrifice. i don't know about that. in the net for the avalanche. game five saturday. at the tank, the sharks try to retake command. >>> meanwhile all is quite on the western front when it comes to nba basketball. sixers in toronto. there he is. remember him? allen iversen. this is playoff basketball. toronto, no answer. jimmy butler stolen and converts it. he had 22 points, 9 rebounds. big man on campus looking well. a little defense wouldn't hurt. get them dancing in philly. 116-95. bill lee is up in the 2 games to 1. >>> the warriors are headed to texas. that could be a break for the dislocated left finger, his middle finger, steph curry. that is him at practice today before they took off. bandaged. he had a little chance to work it out. experiment a little bit. kd and company ready to embark on game 3 with a 2-0 lee. k

. >> when you watch the way they do "the view", they are -- the way mckinnon plays behar, it's fiercesee adam sandler's tribute to chris farley? moments like that that make you think back -- >> and when they did sean spicer, that was funny. during the campaign, they gave him a lot of -- the campaign gave them all kinds of material. afterwards, going to the white house, in the beginning of the administration. maybe we're so deep into the trump administration that they need to move on to another subject. >> or that melissa mccarthy is a perfect human and can do anything. we have to go. more "outnumbered" in just a moment. newday usa can help. by re-financing up to 100 percent of your home's value you could take out 50,000 dollars or more. you could use that money to pay credit card debt ... and don't let less than perfect credit hold you back. even if you've been turned down for a va loan by your bank, call newday usa. they've been given automatic authority by the va they can often help veterans when other lenders won't. need money for your family? call newday usa right now and use the

before the break, kate mckinnon plays elizabeth warren on "saturday night live.">> do you think your proposals are going to set awe part from some of these other candidates. >> i sure do hope so. look, collin, from a fricken clown car i found myself in. look in there, beto odourke did park here in a starbucks. wow. woops, i just figured out universal pre-k. what's thats? mayor pete buttigigetes is speaking fluent cling on. i know as a democrat i'm not supposed to say this, but speak english. frick. dad: oh, hey guys! mom (on speakerphone): hi! son (on speakerphone): dad, i scored two goals today! dad: oh, that's great! vo: getting to a comfortable retirement doesn't have to be an uncomfortable thought. see how lincoln can help you retire on your terms at lincolnfinancial.com i have one kid in each branch of the military, but i'm command central. it's so important to us that verizon is supporting military families. when i have a child deployed, having a reliable network means everything. so, when i get a video chat, and i get to see their face, it's the best thing

this is the kate mckinnon playing elizabeth warren. >> i'm over here working round the clock to givecollege but, oh, look there, beto odourke did parkour in starbucks. woops, i just figured out universal pre-k. what's that. mayor pete buttageg auclair speaking -- >> a woman has to wield a statistic. you know, i could tell you even back in the day, right, you'd get all of your facts, everything all together, that the standard did seem to be so much higher. >> i think what's sad is that when you think about it most women when you get into office, at least all of the colleagues on both sides that i know, they got into it completely selflessly. like it was -- it's a major heart ache. think about this. i had to figure out -- we all have to figure out what are we going to do with our kids when we're going back and forth. >> right. you're commuting across the country in congress. >> across the country in congress. running for office is an incredibly difficult thing. you have to make a lot of sacrifices, more sacrifices as a woman. and, again, having that double standard or having to rise ab

. >> kate mckinnon there having fun at elizabeth warren's expense.re is a serious point to take away from that, how female candidates are judged, as hillary clinton was so famously in both her presidential campaigns, how they're judged about likability. is that fair? >> look, likability is another gender term that tells to hit women harder. women are judged on a higher standard. they have to be relatable and ambitious. they have to be both, you know, strong leaders but also, like, warm and fuzzy. it is a very tough sort of double bind for them to walk. i think what warren's people would tell you is that this race is, as everyone says, around electability. they are putting out a theory of electability, which is that voters will rally around the economic message she's putting out. proposals like free college. like medicare for all, which are more closely associated with the left wing of the democratic party. polling shows they are fairly broadly popular. whether her theory that case is right, we don't know. it is what the primary will test. what you se

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and the possibility of an executive privilege on don mckinnon sitting down for testimony.nd other members of the executive branch sitting down for testimony, even though they were fully cooperative in the mueller investigation. which, by the way, is an executive branch operation. and this is congress asking questions. >> bill: that's a great point, bret. lindsey graham was asked how the hearing is going so far. he said it's good. that point about don mcgahn in the white house now pushing back on these subpoenas -- it appears that the white house right now is geared up for a fight. they don't want don mcgahn to sit in front of the hearing for six, seven, eight hours. democrats, likewise. they would like to capture that tv moment and propel the story to another place, and that really seems to be what we are facing right now. what we are up against. >> well, some democrats want that. and there are others who want to run for president and talk about the issues. so there's the push and pull there. bret brings up the executive privilege point, and i think it's very important. be

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current cast number kate mckinnon huge fan gave her a warm welcome to the show. >> this is it.cause you're my hero, but i want you to feel comfortable. >> what it's that? >> an antique record player's if it breaks, those are the jonas brothers. they'll sing whatever you want. >> not everything. >> yeah. it's impossible to know every song. >> but we know all the bangers. >> bangers? >> in all of our songs. >> shut up. >> okay. thank you. and that's -- ooh, an open fire. i haven't seen any of those in the rockefeller center. >> is this connected to a chimney at all? no. [ sirens ] >> i love it! >> that would be a sitcom right there. watch thompson host "snl" alongside musical performance by the jonas brothers on nbc. see the line out here? for the jonas brothers. >> the jo-bros. >>> and tomorrow, justin bieber, ed sherron releasing new music. teasing fans on social media. sherrin teasing, releasing a song friday. the song called "i don't care." a quick preview. all we got. ♪ you can take me anywhere making me feel like i'm loved by somebody ♪ i can deal with a bad night ♪ >> ed s

kate mckinnon gave her a warm welcome to the show. >> this is it.and i want you to feel comfortable. >> what's that? >> an aique record player. and if it breaks, the jonas brothers will sing whatever you want. ng >> not everyt >> yeah. it's impossible to know every song. but we do know all the bangers. and all of our songs. >> shut up. >> okay. thank you. that's an open fire.ee i haven't s any of those in the rockefeller center. >> there needed to be a fire place, right? >> sit connected to a chimney a? al >> no. no. >> iove it. >> that would be a sitcom right there. watch thompson host "snl" alongside musical performance by the jonas brothers. you see the line outside here. at's for jonas brothers. >> the joebros. >>> and finay, tomorrow marks the big day. bieber and sheeran releasing a w ng. sheeran saying just two hunky men releasing a song on friday. the song is called "i don't care." here's a quick preview. it's all we got. ♪ i don't care as long as you hold me near ♪ ♪ you can take me anywhere ♪ you're making me feelike i'm loved by somebody ♪

michelle mckinnon, donald shulman, susan li, ashley webster.s to the market if there is no improvement in the china trade situation? >> flat or down. we are in a hold pattern right now. this year, of course, the big news is going to be the china trade deal. stuart: that's everything. >> we have been talking about this for a long time. it's not changing any time soon. stuart: what happens if there is any kind of deal? any kind of deal? >> huge increase. we could drop another 5% plus if we stay at the same level. stuart: if there's no china deal we could drop another 5%? >> we could bounce around for a little bit. there's no other news that's going to move this market. stuart: if there is a deal we go up? >> 5%, 10% the next week or so. stuart: glad we got you on the show this morning. susan: for now, though. i think it's a head line for now. >> i think markets always go up over time, last time i checked. i think at the end of the day, if we don't get a trade deal in june, markets will go down short-term. however i think it's important. yes, trad

michelle mckinnon, joel shulman, elizabeth macdonald and ashley webster with us this morning.point is this. this economy is firing on all cylinders. strong growth, low unemployment, declining inflation, low interest rates, and this morning, news that productivity is on the rise. very nicely, too. ashley: five-year high. stuart: five-year high. that's extraordinary. that equals surely more growth with low inflation in the future. liz: july can mark the longest expansion in u.s. history this period. stuart: we'll take it. is that, michelle, why you are always bullish on the market and are still bullish? >> i'm definitely still bullish, particularly with the fact that we've got low inflation, we've got the fed on pause, we have low unemployment and like you said, again, again, it's about low inflation. i hate to say this is a perfect environment but it kind of is. stuart: kind of is. goldilocks. that rings a bell. ashley: not too hot, not too cold. stuart: yesterday the market sold off a little when we found out the fed is unlikely to lower rates this year. does that matter? >> t

mean the stock should be your radar as a possible buy joining us to discuss that and more, michelle mckinnonser at payne capital management that's the first thing we'll talk about we've got a couple others, but this is an interesting one so it smooths out some of the things that goldman is famous for that they've done so well with in the past, but that can be feast or famine at times. you think it's a good move, even though it's lower margin and lower growth. >> yes, absolutely i think they recognize that their trading revenue is probably going to be down for a long time and probably permanently. so their move into the retail space i think is trying to copycat jpmorgan, which jpmorgan has about 20% of their revenue from the consumer bank, so that's a positive. also, i think they're trying to attract the millennial market. and with their product at 2.25% interest rate, that's a very, very high rate compared to my jpmorgan money market rate i took this morning at 0.01%. >> yeah, that's huge. >> that's huge and i think a positive is since goldman is so new to the space, they don't have the old

thursday morning, scott martin, michelle mckinnon, susan and ashley, all of them together now.elle because you have consistently been bullish. we have had a rotten week, we are going to go down today. you still say we're going to go higher later on this year? >> i mean, of course, 25% tariffs is a big deal but let's face it. couple things. number one, this is a great buying opportunity and there is a ton of cash still on the sidelines waiting to get in. that's why i don't think you are going to see a significant pullback here. number two, yes, 25% tariffs is a big deal. however, china and the u.s. don't want a trade war and number three, let's face it, trump likes a strong economy and at 25% tariffs on all imports of chinese goods, you're not going to have such a strong economy and he's not going to have a big economy to campaign on in 2020. stuart: what have you got? ashley: well, michelle and i were talking about this in the break. there's so much money, a ton of money -- >> ton of money. ashley: on the sidelines. what's it going to take to get these people in? interest rates