andy fletcher, angel hernandez at second and scott barry umpiring at second, scott mclellan down at third-27 on the road, 15-13. haven't won a game in this park. 0-3 here in rfk stadium.  there's one quick out  first inning. >> rob: you bring up a great point. there was one year we went to san francisco, that's when you played the same team in your division 18 times, a nice play by ryan zimmerman, tough hop off the dirt in front of home plate, plenty of time. >> johnny: boy, zimmerman just having another tremendous year. especially that hitting streak he had where nobody could get him out. >> rob: 30 straight games is just a phenomenal hitting streak, and it wasn't just a cheapy, 1 for 4 every night, the last 10 games he raised his batting average 60 points and he was hitting the heck out of the ball right at the end. and getting back to your, the reds having trouble here, we were 0-9 in three different trips into san francisco at candlestick park. so sometimes it's just, you know, certain ball park, a certain team has your number, right now they d

published in 1996 by a former fda commissioner and future fda commissioner by the name of kesler and mclellan. here's what it showed. if in fact you did do this, this is in '96, you would save between $60 billion and $109 billion a year. $60 billion and $109 billion a year. that was in '96. that equates to about $300 billion to $400 billion right now. >> savings in what? >> in terms of the cost of defensive medicine. tests that are ordered that nobody needs except the doctor fearing they are going to get sued for something or extorted. it's really, you know, i'm going to be really frank with you. we have half the lawsuits filed in the hopes that somebody will get scared and have to spend more on lawyers than it will cost them to settle it. that's the system that we have today. so there's no basis to the claim other than to make you spend money on your own lawyers so you settle for $60,000 or $100,000 so you don't end up having to spend more on that on lawyers. so what that study said published in 1996 is back then, between $60 billion and $109 billion a year just in defensive medicine costs i