i went to a drug rehab center and mcmann who told me he committed a certain amount of crimes so he could get in front of -- i met a man who told me he committed a certain amount of crime so he could get in front of a rehab center. we must be mad to not get done to clean up their lives so we cut crime. >> it is how do we make sure the hon people today do not become hardened criminals of tomorrow -- the young people today do not become hardened criminals of tomorrow. it is that conveyor belt. yobs on the street corner then become the hardened criminals of tomorrow. there's so much tough talk for so long, and actually it turned our prisons into overcrowded prisons.