, you know, i can't believe that a former marine sergeant is entering into a debate with general mcmaster, but we were taught to go with up the hill against superior forces, and so why should i change now? [laughter] you know -- >> about the best method. we can talk afterwards. [laughter] >> well, that's, you know -- [laughter] that's, you know, no one said we were the smartest force, but we are the toughest force. [laughter] you know, the point i was making was not about extended commitments, because we have, indeed, demonstrated our capacity to maintain extended, deterrence-focused commitments in korea, in europe and elsewhere. i was talking about extended conflict. and that is a distinction with a difference. right? the american people can go for months without noticing that we have tens of thousands of troops in south korea. they can't go for a day without seeing what's going on in afghanistan. they tonight like it. that's the difference -- they don't like it. >> do they even know really what's going on in afghanistan? i think what's remarkable about afghanistan is i think it may be t