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general mcmaster, thank you very much for joining us.e argument from president biden is that it was not in the interests of the united states to keep troops in afghanistan any longer, whether it was one month, a year, or 10 years. how do you respond to that? >> i think it is just wrong on a couple of counts. we were there to preserve and protect our own interests, our security interests. we know from historical experience that terrorist organizations, when they control territory and populations and resources, that they become orders of magnitude more dangerous. we saw that with theass murder attacks of 9/11. we saw it again when vice president biden thanked president obama for ending the war in iraq. words don't end when one party disengages. in iraq, we saw it morph into isis, the most destructive terrorist organization in history, and then we had to go back. what i found also that was fundamentally wrong about the president's approach here is that he thinks that a lost war in afghanistan isn't going to have consequences. we are already

what do general hr mcmaster and david petraeus say now. >> "firing line" with margaret hoover is made possible in part by robert greinere. the fair weather foundation. the family foundation. corporate funding is provided by stevens inc. and morgan stanley. >> general hr mcmaster, welcome back to "firing line" and thank you for your service. >> great to be with you, even at this difficult time. >> president biden has been warning about threats from isis-k for days. what is your reaction to the kabul airport? >> it's heartbreaking to see the loss of our courageous servicemen, but also the loss of innocent life outside among afghans who are desperately trying to escape. and, you know, i think this is obviously predicted and even though it was predicted, of course, it wasn't prevented, in large measure, because i think the difficulty of that tactical problem, that we are in this airport, that is right in the middle of an urban area. it's very difficult to defend when you only have a perimeter and you don't have any depth in your defense and we've been banking on and understding with a ter

>> governor mcmaster: use your common sense. can go online or go most anyplace and find out where you can get a vaccination for free. if you can find out where to get testing for free. we have sites all over the state. we have an ample supply now thanks to president trump and i would urge everyone to make your decision, the one that's right to you. talk to your friends, talk to your doctor, talk to your preacher, talk to whomever you want to. we've had a good experience with the vaccine. we don't have people checking into the hospitals that are vaccinated, we know that. 99 something percent of those that are coming -- that ducommun, which is lower than it was a year ago, of course are in vaccinated, so we know the vaccine works, but it's not for everybody. we're not going to make anybody do it, but we ask everybody to get the information from good sources and make your decision. for peggy and me, that was the right decision, to get the vaccination. >> dana: welcome i hope that even though the weather, as you say, changes every f

mcmaster, president trump's second national security adviser.eral mcmaster, welcome back to "meet the press," sir. >> thanks, chuck. good to be with you. good morning. >> good morning. look, we're coming to the end of our presence in afghanistan. when you look back at 20 years, you've worn a few hats when it comes to dealing with either helping to create policy in afghanistan or enact it. what's been your biggest mistake or biggest miscalculation over 20 years? >> well, i think we all share responsibility for -- it's not a 20-year war, it's a one-year war fought 20 times over, and what the basis for the problems that we've encountered in afghanistan is certainly the enemies we've been fighting there. as you can see today, enemies have a say in the future course of events, and there are consequences when you surrender to a terrorist organization, but it hasn't been a 20-year war, a one dwsh year war fought 20 years over, ineffective strategies on flawed assumptions, fluid assumptions about what was necessary to achieve a sustainable outcome there

mcmaster, thank you very much, general. appreciate you coming. >> thanks, andrea. >> joining me now, congressman kinzinger, a lieutenant in the air national guard. first, what are your reactions to what happened at the airport and our attempts to get americans safely out and the report that there are marines injured? >> yeah. i could have listened to general mcmaster for another hour mean is spot on. obviously, first, the humanitarian side of this. it's awful. our thoughts and prayers are with the families of the military members and of course, the families of those outside of the gate, but this was entirely foreseen. in fact, a couple of days ago we had a briefing by the administration in which they laid out the specific credible threat. i have never, actually personally had an administration lay out that threat in that specificity so they knew this was coming and for the rand paul endless war crowd who were stoking this fire, man, we're all tired when your grandma tells you how tired you are and you eventually feel tired.

what hr mcmaster has “ust assessment of this? what hr mcmaster hasjust said. — assessment of this? an _ assessment of this? what hr mcmaster hasjust said, this is an extremely - has just said, this is an extremely grey situation. i am an armchair strategist, not in our armed forces, but to me it seems as if the only way of rescuing this situation... the very least we can do is to send troops back into kabul airport, to secure the airport and to secure whatever we needed there because if we don't do that, the people queueing outside the airport... we have all seen the pictures, and they will continue to be sitting ducks for terrorists and we are putting those people who are still there at great risk of being taken hostage by whoever it is carrying out these terror attacks. we think it is the so—called isis—k group, the islamic state of khorosan province group, a splinter group who exist in the shadow of the taliban, but who are said to be hostile in some way to the taliban because they are not sufficiently extreme. we think they include former al-qaeda fighters. the fact that they w

mcmaster.r was america's 26th national security advisor, a post he assumed after 34 years as a commissioned officer in the u.s. army. he is a senior fellow at the hoover institution and the foundation for defensive democracies. his most recent book, battlegrounds, a fight to defend the free world, is truly a must read for students of american leadership and american foreign policy. thanks for joining us. i appreciate it. h.r.: it was great to be with you. you did a great job and are a wonderful colleague. rate to be back with you. mark: you are very kind. today's topic is a challenging one. back in 2020, congress chartered a nonpartisan panel of experts call the afghanistan study group. its final report was called a pathway for peace. in that report, it said, we have an interest in afghanistan not becoming a safe haven for terrorists who confront us. -- who can threaten us. have an interest in a stable afghanistan that is not a threat to its region, and we have an interest in afghanistan respec

mcmaster and others like congressman kinzinger, and we would be nuts to decide to unilaterally stay on a kabul airport 7,000 miles from home, and 600 miles from the sea with one brigade surrounded by mountains and build-up area, unless the taliban extended it. en -- even then it is not good. it is nuts. you could not find one lieutenant colonel at university to sign up for that. thank god for admiral stavridis to state the obvious. we have to collapse that thing and get out of there on time. the marines and the paratroopers are terrific fighters, but which have been the last guy out on extractions is under fire, and this is complex business, and we don't want to mess it up. sorting out the svis and the afghan citizens should be over. we have need to extract the forces. >> that is my question, to what degree does this single event as tragic and heartbreaking this is affect the overall strategy, and you are saying the mission continues at pace. >> absolutely, and it may be worse. at some point, we will have a company of paratroopers on the runway with the last c-130s coming in the dark t

mcmaster.uthor of the book "ed battlegrounds: the fight to defend the free world." i want to step back and talk about the implications of what we've seen in afghanistan the last couple of weeks. let's start with the war on terror. how big a setback is this in what experts call the long war? >> well, this is a huge setback in the long war against jihadist terrorists, and of course the mantra we've heard is we need to end endless wars, but our enemies, really who are enemies of all humanity fighting an endless jihad. and what we have done is we have surrendered to a terrorist organization. victory for the taliban is a victory for al-qaeda, a victory for isis khorasan and a victory for all jihaddest terrorists. and what we're going to see is a threat that increases by orders of magnitude because we know, paul, these groups become much, much more dangerous when they control territory, populations and resources. paul: now, the president and others say that we can counter that potential for sanctuary

so, i don't know bradley, but i know general mcmasters, so i know general mcmasters, so i know what hisition. all that said, the afghan national army and security forces, they did not have the will to continue a prolonged conflict. that revealed itself this week, and all of us were very much surprised by the rapid offensive by the taliban. they implement a strong strategy, they operated aggressively, they operated aggressively, they operated aggressively, they operated in the north where historically they would have faced a lot of resistance against them. in short, they wanted victory more than the afghan national army, quite candidly. afghan nationalarmy, quite candidl . , ., afghan nationalarmy, quite candidl. ., , candidly. there is a fairly widely recognised - candidly. there is a fairly widely recognised view, | candidly. there is a fairly - widely recognised view, isn't there, that while the us has pumped tens of billions, $80 billion or so over 20 years into training and equipment, but there has been a huge level of corruption. there are not the forces, they never were, perhaps,

., mcmaster. -- hr.at the white house press is time to think again you're not seriously suggesting that the white house presses the pause button this close to the deadline? heck yes, i am. button this close to the deadline? heck yes, iam. i button this close to the deadline? heck yes, i am. i guess the question is for all of our political leaders, what is the mission? is the mission just to complete our surrender and withdrawal? 0r just to complete our surrender and withdrawal? or is it to get our citizens out and the afghans who are at the highest and most grave risk because they assisted us and were engaged in trying to build a better future for their country? if it is the latter, we better do a hell of a lot more than trying to hold on to a perimeter in a very small airport on the edge of a dense urban area. if the edge of a dense urban area. if the mission is to get people out, our military can do that. we have the capability to do it. i think a question you're alluding to end it has the right one, d

mcmaster was making to do with the insurgency. this is a complex series of extremists and while isis-k has been the terror group people pointing at for the last two or three days, they're also -- this sort after tac-- sort of attack from a group called haqqani's and they were into the taliban as part of changes they made for five years ago. so looking within the possible candidates if it terms to to have been a terror attack and that plaques that almost inevitable. there is not just one potential candidate here. and i should point out it does appear to some reporting that the elements of the haqqani network were provided the job of security around the airport as well. so this enormously fraught situation to some degree there were deep fears, we could have seen this before. but the crushing instead and the chaos seem to take over has potentially many different suspects. jim. >> no question. many groups capable. and the taliban, a group that carried out many hundreds of terror attacks in that country themselves, the targeted afghan

mcmaster, who seems to have suddenly found his words again, like so many other trump officials. he tried to distance himself from the failed peace deal with the taliban last year and also of course seemingly absolved his former boss. >> this is actually what happens when you surrender to a terrorist organization like the taliban. president trump, i think, put into place the first time, andrea, we had a reasoned and sustainable approach on afghanistan in august of 2017. but the neo isolationist far right got in his ear as well as the self-loathing far left and told him you need to end this endless war. we are facing real enemies there. >> mcmaster did point a finger at the three most recent administrations, which would include his former boss, but somehow left off george w. bush. he also forgot to mention one more architect of our present mess, himself. in 2017 "the washington post" reported that mcmaster played a key role in getting trump to commit more troops to afghanistan, presenting him with a black and white snapshot from 1972 of afghan women in mini skirts walking through

former national security adviser hr mcmaster had this to say. >> when you prioritize withdrawal over the achievement of any kind of a no blame in war this is what you get, that is what surrender is in that is what we've done. >> for the latest on what is happening on the ground in afghanistan, let's turn to amy kellogg live for us this morning and italy. being asked this morning was what was the purpose of attacking people leaving the country, attacking people trying to get on humanitarian flights. in the meantime, 13 us service personnel lost their lives, 72 afghan civilians, those numbers may change as the day goes on. despite deteriorating security situation. the evacuations continue this morning but the us's closest ally, the united kingdom has just said the last flights will be leaving afghanistan in the next few hours. the uk defense secretary saying nobody else will be called to the airport, they will do their best to pick some people from the crowds which probably have not supplied it altogether but acknowledge they can't get everyone they would like out as the priority is to

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mcmaster. there are troops all over the world. >> general, i guess that's what we don't understand. we've had the last two presidents running around with their hair on fire, insisting that 3,500 troops in syria, that were pushing back on the iranians, pushing back on the russians, pushing back on isis, pushing back on the turks, that some of 3,500 troops in syria and 3,500 troops in afghanistan was somehow an endless war, when we've had over 35,000 troops in germany since thim. we've had 12,000 troops in italy since that time. south korea, as you know, over 25,000 troops since the end of the korean war in '53. the question is, why can't we keep residual forces of 3,500 troops -- not to rebuild the nation, but to kill bad guys when they step out of line and try to torture girls, torture other people, trying to build a civil society? >> yeah, that's what's so sad about this, joe. this is wholly unnecessary. if we were ecuador, it would be tough to keep, you know, 35 3500 troops or 8,500 troops in

mcmaster and all of the same people who are responsible for the fraud over the last 20 years to againl us what to do and of course that is to remain in afghanistan and keep fighting, which benefits them and their friends. >> tucker: i've noticed. what you think is going to happen? if you had to guess as to where we are say in a month or six months in afghanistan, what would you guess? >> i mean i don't think there's any real possibility that biden is going to change his mind, and i hope he doesn't as i think everyone of your guests has set about leaving. we have almost no force there, they are sitting ducks. they would have to search a huge amount, but i think they've generated enough anger, everyone watching those images feels disgust and anger, whatever group they are going to blame, whatever new group they are going to have and want to keep bombing and doing counterterrorism operations that's only going to make matters worse, that's why some people around the world hate us, because we drop bombs on their country with so much frequency and that is what donald trump's main promise wa

in south carolina which also bars such action, henry mcmaster had this to say. >> shutting our state down, closing schools and masking children who have no choice for the government to mask children who have no choice to protect adults who do have a choice is the wrong thing to do, and we're not going to do it. we're not going to shut our state down as other states did. mandating masks is not the answer. >> as for what is the answer, he said personal responsibility and common sense are. he went on to say that we are, quote, dealing with a virus that we know this year. which raises the question, is he really? and what makes him think he knows better than the doctors and nurses and educators, and, yes, parents of school children in his own state. you could ask governor desantis of florida or governor abbott of texas about the schools mandating mask wearing, and where the governor is trying to reverse the action he himself took. for us, common sense means facing facts. >> and leaders have to adjust to the new facts and the reality of what you have to deal with, and so i asked the legisl

it's very easy to go around like the hr mcmaster's of the world are doing it so we have a risk here,ve a risk there and say that we should just chase them with permanent u.s. military intervention in perpetuity. but that is simply not a strategy. >> tim kudo, i was thinking today about 1983 and i'm sure is all marines think about when the marine barracks in beirut was blown up by a terrorist, 241 deaths, mostly marines, 220 marines are so in that group, and president reagan did absolutely nothing other than completely retreat and remove all marines from harm's way. compare that to where we are tonight. >> yeah, so my whole unit was one of the units in the ground in kabul right now, may even be the unit that took the casualties today and we were that unit in beirut where the beverage battalion when i was there. i look at the reaction in the past day and it is just mind-blowing how much, not only do people completely ignore what is happening in the last 20 years, and the attacks that have just been mentioned have happened over and over kabul and other parts of the country, but also jus

former national security adviser hr mcmaster. he had something to say about how the trump administration handled the laying of the groundwork of this withdrawal from afghanistan. if we have a little bit of time, let's play that sound. he was laying the blame at former secretary of state mike pompeo. let's listen to that. >> our secretary of state signed a surrendered agreement to the taliban. >> you're talking about mike pompeo. >> yes. this collapse goes back to the capitulation agreement of 2020. the tyab didnaliban didn't defe. we defeated ourselves and threw the afghans under the bus on our way out. >> we have images from 2020 from just last year of then secretary of state mike pompeo and members of the taliban. the taliban putting together this piece deal. this was just last september of last year. secretary cohen, what is your thinking on this? i'm sure you've been contemplating this. >> president biden sits behind the resolute desk and there's a reason why he's resolute. he made a resolution decision. it's not, i think, be

another republican who opposes mandates fires back against biden i'm talking about henry mcmaster whoame out and said every day illegal immigrants and drug makers enter unvaccinated, untouched. yet an american citizen wouldn't make it into an airport like that. the hip progrypocrisy is danger. it includes a plan date for elementary and middle schools. now, benjamin, i appreciate your time. so classes begin for you in leps than two weeks. why did you think the mask mandate is necessary? >> well, we've seen a precipitous rise in cases between the 1st of july and the end of july 10-fold increase in covid-19 cases and six-hold increase in hospitalizations. just early this week, our children's hospital announced they were at capacity almost every single day treating children who are dealing with either covid-19 or rsb. it seemed there was this odd pro seisso plug into our state budget that sought to deprive school districts as governor kasich said of their ability to provide masks or have masking policies in place to protect the children. i also took an oath when i decide to run for office

mcmaster argues some american forces should have stayed to support afghan allies. >> they said who has our back and we said not us. we are leaving. implement the concern is for future threats and the safety of the american homeland. >> most of afghanistan is ungoverned space. that type of terrain is a potential haven for terrorist organizations. al qaeda, and other groups. ittee chairman mark warner say they have questions for the administration about why the u.s. was not underprepared for a worst-case scenario. >>> lawmakers like house speaker nancy pelosi weighing in on the chaos in afghanistan and later today, we will talk with her life. you can send your questions for the speaker with the #kpix or you can send a video or text and watch it 5:30 right here on kpix5 and cbsn bay area. >>> still ahead, we all know it is expected to live your. to a new poll takes a snapshot of how californians are feeling about the cost of living and possibly moving out. track the results are in for him our exclusive poll on the california dream. we focus on the cost of living among 1800 respondents. 35

mcmaster, is going to weigh in about what went wrong in america's 20-year war, now ending in chaos.ou can watch "meet the press" right after today in the bay. >>> and we're watching the massive wild fire, the calder fire burning for two weeks. new video of flames in along highway 50. now more than 152,000 acres. containment is still at 19%. now, to a microclimate weather alert. a quick look in wall put the creek. we've been dealing with it all week and that has everyone on alert to spare the air again. what's going on? >> it's wall put the creek down into san jose. seen the worst of the air quality. get enough to figure a spare the air alert around the bay area. one of the things we'll see is a slightly stronger sea breeze, as we go hour by hour. but take a closer look around the peninsula and the coast as that sea breeze develops. we start to see air quality improve slightly later in the day. but we have another spare the air day tomorrow. another day of 90s to hundred degree temperatures inland. by monday, better air quality but the wind over the sierra could increase fire danger

mcmasters of the world are doing, and say, we have a risk here, and we have a risk there and say thatilitary intervention in perpetuity. but that simply is not a strategy. >> tim kudo, i was thinking today about 1983, and i'm sure as all marines think about, when the marine barracks in beirut was blown up by a terrorist, 231 american deaths, i think 20 or so marines in that group, and president reagan did absolutely nothing other than completely retreat and remove all marines from harm's way. compare that to where we are tonight. >> yeah, so my old unit was first battalion 8th marines which is one of the units on the ground in kabul right now, may even be the unit that took the casualties today, and we were that unit in beirut. we were the beirut battalion. i look at the actions that have happened in the past day, and it is mind-blowing just how much -- not only do people completely ignore what's happened in the past 20 years and the attacks that have just been mentioned that have happened over and over in kabul and other parts of the country, but also just the reality of what it is t

mcmaster, retired, had this to say about the priorities there. >> when you prioritize withdrawal over the achievement of any kind of a noble aim in war, this is what you get. that is what surrender is and that's what we've done. closing all of the airports that we've just controlled a couple months ago, it makes no sense, but it only makes sense really when you recognize that there are costs associated with surrendering to a terrorist organization. speeone's of jake, you make of that? was the p.r. pole to be out by 9/11, the big, you know, prize here, what was this about in the consideration here? because the president says he was following the military's guidance and suggestions. >> i think these considerations were purely political because they obviously make no tactical or strategic sense. i mean, we concentrated all of our people in this surge at hamid karzai airport, we closed four we got all of the american citizens out, close to before we got our prized equipment out. this is a total catastrophe. i think the considerations from the very beginning by the biden administration wer

if anybody understand what's happening it's mcmaster and he's coming up at 7:00.l media on facebook and on twitter @scottmcgrew. >> thanks so much. it is 6:49. >>> this morning we're learning a fully vaccinated scaf staff member from governor newsom's office has tested positive for covid-19. the staffer had not interacted with the governor or any staff who regularly come into contact with him. as a state agency mask wearing is required for staff. >>> the las vegas raiders are the second nfl team to require all fans to show proof of vaccination. this move is made after nevada governor announced events with more than 250 attendees can operate at more than 50% capacity with state approval. the raiders are teaming up with the i.d. company clear and the health pass feature of their free app to verify vaccination status. >>> some exciting news from the material girl herself. madonna says she will relaunch her entire catalog over the coming years to celebrate 40 years since her debut single. ♪ i can't quench my desire ♪ ♪ don't you know i'm burning up for your love ♪ >>

mcmaster is on the "today" show talking about what we should do next.m as national security adviser, but he is the foremost expert on what america did wrong in vietnam. if anybody understand the current situation it's mcmaster. he'll come on at 7:00. find me at twitter scott mcgrew. >>> the las vegas raiders are requiring fans to show proof of vaccination. the move made after the nevada governor announced events with more than 250 attendees can operate at more than 50% capacity with state approval. they're teaming up with clear and the health pass feature of their free app to verify vaccination status. the vaccinated fans will not be required to wear a mask. >>> exciting news from the material girl herself. madonna will relaunch her entire catalog over the coming years to celebrate 40 years since her debut single. ♪ can't quench my desire don't you know that i'm burning up for your love ♪ >> yep. madonna made that announcement yesterday on her 63rd birthday. that projects will be under a deal with warner music group, the studio that launched her nearly

joining us now retired general hr mcmaster. he discusses afghanistan in his book "battlegrounds: the fight to defend the free world." good to see you as always. what should president biden have said to the american people, and what did you think of what he did say? >> i think he should've said exactly the opposite of what he said. i think the speech is based on really three things the president wants us to believe that are just fundamentally untrue. first of all, that this was inevitable. his allusion that this could have happened five years ago or ten years from now. but reality is going back to the trump administration, this capitulation agreement with the taliban, and then the series of psychological blows that we delivered to the afghan government and the afghan people. gosh, jake, remember when secretary blinken, you know, wrote a letter to ashraf ghani to ask him to do more for peace as the taliban were assassinating afghans and committing mass murder attacks across the country. the second thing that he wanted us to i thi

>> yeah, well, first of all, the specific segment i was referencing was when they put hr mcmaster on,s president trump's national security advisor. he's the kind of person who long has been a member of the national security state that brought us 20 years of endless warfare that was not only a huge failure but based on lies, not just in afghanistan but iraq and syria and libya and the idea that it was the taliban behind the suicide bombing attack was not only completely without evidence but contrary to what everyone from president trump to president biden were saying is that the taliban, the last thing they would want, is an event that would keep the united states in afghanistan. they want the united states gone as quickly as possible and the group that is being blamed including by mcmaster for having done it, isis-k, is not league with the taliban. quite the contrary. they've been at war with the taliban since 2015, a really vicious war. howie: i think that's an important distinction. >> we have to realize this type of propaganda. howie: you have favored getting out of afghanistan for

i think that, sure, that hr mcmaster made plenty of mistakes in the trump administration.i know democrats like to peg me with that because i worked for jeb. i'm happy to say i agree with you that the bush administration made grave, grave errors 20 years ago. but he had to play the hand he was dealt. if it were leaving people who were american citizens in afghanistan in the hands of the taliban, i'm worried that's playing a bad hand badly. and that's the part that worries me on that decision. i hope i'm wrong. i hope using our intelligence assets and our diplomatic partners that this administration can prove me wrong over the next 12 months. but i think they're taking a big political risk and i think pretending others would be following. if you are a democrat that wants president biden to succeed. >> coming up, health care workers in the south are trying to fight a pandemic during a lengthy power outrage. we will ask dr. patel about that and today's other covid headlines when "the 11th hour" continues. mom: ahem ahem ahem we're out. as someone with hearing loss i know what

i have been speaking to the retired army general mcmaster, who retired after serving in america up tonder president trump. i think we have to recognise this is only the beginning. this is what happens when you surrender to a terrorist organisation. it is worth pointing out that this so—called isis—k attack has all the hallmarks of a haqqani network attack and guess who's in charge of security in kabul now? siraj haqqani, who is a prominent al-qaeda member and also the military commander of the taliban. maybe now is the moment we can stop our self—delusion and stop believing that these groups are separate from one another and recognise that they are utterly intertwined and connected and what we are seeing is the establishment of a jihadist terrorist state in afghanistan and all of us will be at much higher risk as a result of this. you said in the middle of that answer, "it is time to think again." you are not seriously suggesting that the white house presses the pause button this close to the deadline? heck yes, i am. i guess the question is for all of our political leaders, what is t

mcmaster has since called it a surrender agreement. there was another concern. that followed, a correspondent reflected that he could not think of a recent successful peace deal which has excluded the government from negotiations. more recently, an expert in ghanistan who served during the trump administration has described the dough hot talks as an unfair negotiation because nobody was -- describe the doha negotiations as unfair because no one was looking out for the afghan government. president biden was on the afghan responsibility. president biden: we gave them every tool. we pay their salaries, provided for the maintenance of their air force. we gave them every chance for their future. anchor: but the government joe biden wants to have the power is the government the u.s. did not tell before leaving bagram airbase in july. rather than building confidence, the deal did the reverse for the government, and its relationship with afghans was already fragile, all of which does not explain the taliban takeover or settle the ■rights andwrongsof the u.s. withdrawal.

mcmaster, who gave his assessment of the situation in afghanistan. pentagon will deploy 3000 troops to afghanistan in order to facilitate the drawdown of personnel at the u.s. embassy in kabul as the taliban advances toward the afghan capital. he shared his thoughts on the recent trip withdrawal and the recent territorial gains at an event hosted by the wilson center. >> welcome to the wilson center, where we, in the words of our congressional charter, strengthen the fruitful relation to the world of learning and the world of public affairs.

mcmaster. but we begin in kabul with nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel.ichard, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, hoda. the evacuation flights are coming in frequently now and you can sense there is urgency about them. they land, they're only on the ground a few minutes before they take off again. it is clear the u.s. wants to wrap this up as quickly as possible. kabul airport is back up and running. evacuation flights for u.s. embassy personnel and contractors in full swing. flights were stopped yesterday as tens of thousands of afghans stormed the runways, desperate to leave. clinging onto aircraft, trying not to be left behind as the americans pull out. u.s. troops found themselves overwhelmed as they tried to clear the airport, firing warning shots. the pentagon says american troops killed two armed afghans, but some afghans were able to get out. on one flight so full it may have set a record for the number of people who can fit onto an american c-17. afghans are running from the taliban, now in full control, setting up checkpoints with the very

public health experts and president biden and his administration and people like ron desantis and mcmasters in south carolina, a lot of states have resisted these measures to try to restrict the virus, having a mask mandate, vaccine mandate, saying we want our people to have free choice and do what they want and in some of these places you see cases surging but in a lot of these states, i think florida, south carolina, where i'm originally from, in texas, these are popular positions from these governors. they're saying the people in the state even with these cases surging across the state do not want more lockdowns, do not want some of these measures in place. and you have places where i think they would be resistanceant -- resistant to that happening and these governors are emphasizing that. yamiche: leigh ann, i'm struck by representative ralph norman of south carolina, one of three republicans in congress who fought a lawsuit against nancy pelosi over the house mask mandate. there was an official in texas on facebook posting about anti-vaccine messages. he died of covid. ralph norman has

mcmaster, former white house national security advisor from 2017 to 2018. just a little of what he wrote. pundits repeat the mantra there is no military solution in afghanistan. the taliban seemed to have come up with one on their own. self-styled strategists in washington rationalize the withdrawal as necessary to focus on china, but the refusal to provide the afghan people with the support necessary to stem a humanitarian catastrophe emboldens china and russia and other adversaries eager to proclaim the u.s. an unreliable power and declining power. calls from afghanistan -- calls from washington urged afghanistan to fight harder, but that insults the tens of thousands of afghans who made the ultimate sacrifice and underscores the psychological blow of our abandonment. about 30 minutes left in today's washington journal. journal. in about 30 minutes, we will take you to a u.s. security council meeting on development in afghanistan live here on c-span and c-span.org. we want you to keep calling into answer this question. what did the war in afghanistan mean

military groups in afghanistan, including i watched cnn today, there was a lot of conflation by general mcmaster about these different kinds of militant groups. but there really is an important difference between the taliban and islamic feet. kerry, which is basically the b i. yes. appeal yet based in canada and where is photography and what's the american to lead back in a fan. and they want to transition from a know to group to a government the same way that they were essentially from 1996 to 2001. and the sense that they were the government to toby and says that he does moderated and to an extent, i believe that that's true to an extent i s k. on the other hand is much more extreme. it doesn't have clear political goals and it is more extreme, not just in terms of its ideal would you but also in terms of it could bloody americans. it will, this is true anywhere in the world, and if it can bloody the local population and civilians, it will do that as well. whereas the kelvin is much more careful in how to wield the pilots and show up the united states doesn't trust hotel. but relative to r u.

mcmaster we'll call on you again in the coming days. planes with night coming to kabul, afghanistan and getting the news up to three u.s. troops could have been injured. they are there to save lives and to help people find a better life for themselves. this is what the mission is. >> dana: want to save their lives. >> bill: and they've been victims as a result. >> dana: jennifer griffin said with this breaking news we have entered into a new phase of this situation. i think that's exactly right. so we'll continue to talk. we also talked to an eyewitness, one of our interpreters trying to get out since the taliban first took over kabul. he did not -- he was not able to get there but still helping people. >> bill: his name is carl. right now we believe he is at the hospital. with us now mark green joins our coverage. good morning to you. i'm certain you're watching the updates. your initial reaction to what appears to be not just the final days in afghanistan of a 20 years war but the final hours now. >> it's just gut wrenching. i'm getti

mcmaster said, the surrender document to the taliban. >> right.o just need to find a good opportunity right now to shut up and stop criticizing something they set in motion. now all of that said, joe, i will add and i think you will agree with me, this was not ordained and ultimately the buck does stop with president biden, although i think trump left biden in a terrible situation, undermined the afghan government and made this catastrophe more likely, i don't think it was inevitable, i think joe biden still made a big mistake in agreeing to carry out the flawed agreement that the trump administration reached with the taliban. there's so many other issues where biden has repudiated the damage that trump has done. in this particular case he chose to carry through with it, even keeping the same negotiator that trump had, i think that was a major mistake and ultimately that's on biden. but again, as we're discussing, the trump fans and the people trumpeting this withdrawal as a major trump achievement have zero standing right now to criticize what's

colin clark was an advisor to hr mcmaster, the former us national security advisor. so fast. to start with, they have been preparing, laying the groundwork for the last two decades. moreover, trump administration telegraphed that the united states would withdraw its troops, when president biden confirmed that in april, it essentially told the taliban that this was a calendar based withdrawal, not a condition spaced withdrawal, and so they prepared quite quickly and they are now executing the strategy. what about kabul? _ executing the strategy. what about kabul? they _ executing the strategy. what about kabul? they are - executing the strategy. what about kabul? they are now l executing the strategy. what about kabul? they are now about an hour's drive away from the capital. is it inevitable that kabul will fall to the taliban? you know, it is seeming like it more and more each day. if you would have asked me even a month ago, i would have said not necessarily, not necessarily inevitable. something still may prevent it from being sacked. however, the taliban understa

fellow at the soufan center for global security and foreign policy — he was also an adviser to hr mcmaster. thank you for being with us. many may have anticipated in advance by the taliban and some gains by the taliban when us troops withdrew but this has been rapid, they've taken city after city, why has it been so fast? ~ ., , ., , fast? well, to start with, they have been _ fast? well, to start with, they have been preparing, - fast? well, to start with, they have been preparing, laying . fast? well, to start with, they i have been preparing, laying the groundwork for the last two decades. moreover, beginning with the trump administration, if you recall, we telegraphed at the united states would withdraw its trips, when president biden confirmed that, essentially told the taliban this was a calendar based withdraw, not a conditions —based withdrawal and they prepared quickly and are now executing their strategy. what executing their strategy. what about kabul? _ executing their strategy. what about kabul? they _ executing their strategy. what about kabul? they are - executing their stra

but general milley, mattis, mcmaster and others wanted us to stay in afghanistan as long as it took me basically forever. to this day, they refused to listen to the american people who have been saying "no" to the war since 2006. >> it was always a pipe dream. it was always giving you a stage to some of the most odious people on earth, that trump administration doubled down on the mistakes of obama administration after the president would have been the first reasonable and sustainable approach to afghanistan in 2017. the self-delusion. we are seeing an end of that delusion now. >> laura: delusion? who is delusional? people who still think they can win? they dragged their feet until trump's last day in office and hated what the people have been asking for four oh barack obama, and then to the wars. as we saw over the past week the military, political, and our national security hierarchy is, i'm sorry, it is filled with a bunch of people who shouldn't call themselves experts. they can't do logistics. they can't game out the obvious collapse of order once the troops pulled out leaving all