first a flexible response by mcnamara was about conventional.t was about mc1433 was not about nukes and it was wasn't sure who got into that because i knew about it and i got deeply involved in this on 242 on that subject. so what is a very good source for all of these histories? >> i'm going to beg for for consideration and two points and i said this at the beginning. one when you do things by decade if not precise. thank you. but the first is this is not precise however i want to push back on the response. when maxwell taylor talks about images what he said and that was an appeal to kennedy. that was put up with the green berets about and that whole period was one in which conventional forces was focused. i'm going to assert to you and i'm going to hope that if you go to the book whose author is a brit who is at kings college who has done a revision on the basic book on nuclear strategy and runs through all this i think you will find one could even say the flexible response properly ghosted conventional. it was used by many to cover the develo

and that became one of first important insights of the mcnamara era. second strike counterforce instead of counter-city. it was supposed to be captured in something that was born in the early '60s, '63 i think, the single integrated operational plan which would have all the targets and match targets with our weapons systems so that when they were put before the president in a critical moment, mr. president, we're under attack and we have a launch under attack posture, just push this button here, and we're good. well, that -- there was a problem with that. it did not match up with flexible response. it was, essentially, the same spasmodic response. eventually, the si-op was around for a good 30 years, actually 40 years, the si-op would begin to reflect a certain flexibility. but for the first 20 years, it really didn't. and it really was quite spasmodic with enormous civilian damage, collateral damage in the soviet union if it were ever executed. the second thing about flexible response, second strike counterforce is that it didn't take too long before

that johnson and mcnamara and george bundy and others who are trying and the joint chiefs of staff in particular are also looking at grand strategy globally from a european standpoint in the 1960s, from the southeast asian standpoint and from the chinese standpoint and the strategic concept will change over time, as well and the perspective from grand strategy that the south vietnam in 1965 which seems to be so essential after american national security is not the south vietnam that is so important to national security in 1970, that south vietnam in 1970 does not matter as much to president nixon and henry kissinger as it does to lyndon b johnson in 1965. i also thought that you would bring in the whole mccarthy anticommunist political situation in the united states. >> clearly, i think that johnson in 1965 is -- mccarthyism has died out a bit by the time you get to the early 1960s, but certainly communism and the fear of the domino effect which is really kind of -- as articulated by eisenhower in the mccarthy era. he doesn't want to lose south vietnam like truman lost china like chin

that became one of the first important insights of the mcnamara era. second strike counter force instead of counter city. it was supposed to be captured in something that was born in the early '60s, '63, i think, single integrated operational plan, or the ciop and which would match targets with our weapons system so when they were put before the president in a critical moment, mr. president, we have a under attack, we have a launch attack posture, just push this button here, we're good. well that, there was a problem with that. it did not match up with flexible response. it was essentially the same spasmodic response. the siop, the siop was around for a good 30 years, actually, 40 years, the soiop would begin to reflect a certain flexibility, but for the first 20 years it really didn't. it was quite spasmodic and enormous collateral damage in the soviet union about it were ever executed. the second thing about flexible response, second strike, counter force, it didn't take to long before the soviets were to understand, if the states of america were exp

and if you read robert mcnamara's book about the response to the march on washington which we performedy went. they had all this encouragement. it was evidenced that we were going forward. we go from the time when in the civil rights movement when we marched with martin luther king, we, if you were a person of color, you couldn't use, in our nation's capital, a public bathroom unless it said "for colored only", and there was a lynching every three days, now, look what's happened. the racism in this country profound and horrific for young black men. but what progress we made. i was just being asked that, you know. well, did you do anything? did we do anything? not just we, all the people involved. it was amazing. >> you know, even in your book, "death of a king", where you talk about the fact that budget is a moral consideration. >> mm-hm. >> where king talked about it. and that the bombs that were dropping in vietnam were dropping in the ghetto. >> it was precient. and what was the music of occupy. you have to get out there and sing. >> please, go ahead. ♪ our cities crumble from a bomb

this is mcnamara -- i would rather have root canal than by the ruble.re you are. >> these are the top headlines. president obama says the beheading of the american aid was an act of pure people. the video showed the aftermath of his murder. he was 26 and converted to islam after his capture. david cameron reported there are red lights flashing on the economy. there is a dangerous backdrop of uncertainty that presents a real risk to the u.k. economy. those risks have been highlighted by mark carney in and -- mark carney. carney says the u.k. has huge deflationary forces coming from trade partners, particularly europe. his remark comes days after the bank of england lowered its inflation forecast. bird fluke causing concern in england. up to 6000 birds could be cold at thefarm -- culled farm. there is also an outbreak south of amsterdam. the strainent said can be transmitted to humans by direct contact. ,> if you are catching a flight there is a chance your actions could be captured. shares in israel's biggest tech company are at an all-time high. good mo

mcnamara.also important i think to note is that west more land would have been out of step with contemporary theories on counterinsurgency, if not army doctrine if all did he was focus on killing the enemy. contemporary counter insurgency theory and army doctrine of the day with the assumption that security preceded all other military and political operations. i would argue that we speak in similar terms today. if you look at the last ten years of the army's experiences in both iraq and afghanistan, commande commanders indoctrine all speak of the importance of providing some sense of security to the local population so political stability can take hold. in short, only in a secure environment could pacification flourish, a point that was well understood, i think, by the united states' army at the time. in fact, when luke at westmoreland's june 1965 concept of the operations, in fact, i think dutifully follows the army's doctrinal prescriptions. he notes that in order to defeat the insurgency ins

i know this breakfast has a long tradition and we do know that starting with president mcnamara, the presidents that have been here. i'm open to talking about anything that you might want to talk about, but probably something that's on the top of people's minds is the ebola epidemic that's going on right now. first of all, let me just start by saying that i've been watching very carefully about what's been going on in new york city. and a couple of things that are very striking to me. first, this was a city and a system that was extremely well prepared. i think we learned a lot from dallas and looking at the response from both the governor, the mayor, the public health officials, tom frieden of the center for disease control, it was very impressive. they did everything in just the way you'd want a government or a system to respond. the other thing that i would like to stress, and we can talk more about it, is we all ha

they had this idea, if they grabbed mcnamara, johnson, if they gradually escalated, then it would squeeze the north vietnamese and they would come to the bargaining table. well, it had the opposite effect. the vietnamese, well, we stood up against. that we saw the escalation in the south. first it was prim guards and then it was submarines and then it was, and it got built up and built up. but we lost the war. and that's just a fact. and so i'm seeing the same kind of gradualism in this present white house. and i'm also seeing a micromanagement from the white house as well. >> in your book you talk about the north vietnamese would department every time we escalated or increased our response. the lower we went in fighting the war, the faster they went. is that happening now? >> what we're seeing is a gradual escalation. the president just announced 1,500 more. and mark my words, he will have to announce some more within a certain period of time. no military strategist that i know believes that what we're doing now will defeat, degrade and defeat isis. in other words in the words of form he

mcnamara ♪ i'm just 18 and i always carry a purse ♪ >> if you were in counterculture started making these people did before then but who would expect the smothers brothers of all people to be the ones raising this much of a fuss. >> good script. >> i held my breath every time they did the show. because i knew the network people were befouling their trousers with fear. >> nothing funny in this. yeah, boys, we're through censoring your show. >> they said that the social subjects we touched on were not appropriate for the 9:00 family viewing hour. they came up with any excuse to make it difficult. >> and i came up with any excuse to push it. >> yeah. ♪ cbs would like to give us notice ♪ ♪ and some of you don't like the things we say but we're still here ♪ ♪ oh, yeah we're still here >> they were going to speak truth to power. and they were not compromising. >> you have something important? >> something very important to say on american television. >> a lot of times we don't have the opportunity to say anything important because on american television, every time you try to say something impo

i just want to comment that first of all, mcnamara lasted one year on the counterattack but in 1962 he was on the sure destruction the sec can i never heard the term extended deterrence. so would you cite a good source of history and a belt the conventional it was not about nukes. that was less and your who got into that i got deeply involved on that subject. what is a very good source for these histories? >> just to beg for consideration two points. when you do things by decade it is not precise. however to push back on the flexible response he meant just for you said that was an appeal to kennedy the whole period the conventional forces that i would assert to you and hope if you go to the book whose author is that king's college or the basic book on nuclear strategy he will find their properly goes to the conventional with that counterforce capability as opposed to a response that was understood. i don't have text in front of me but i believe that to be true. but we have to stay on unclassified sources this is sets good is it gets but may be off line we can talk about that more. but

the response by mcnamara was about conventional, it was not in c. 14. it was not about nukes.t was lessened your who got in to that because i knew about. i get deeply involved in this on that subject. so what is a very good source for all of these histories? >> just ask, beg for consideration on two points. i said this at the beginning. one, when you do things by decades, not precise. so -- [inaudible] >> thank you. so the first is that this is not precise. however, i want to push back the flexible response. he meant just what you said, and that was an appeal candidate to that was part of what the green berets were all about, and that whole period was one in which conventional forces was the focus. i'm going to assert to you and i'm going to go betty go to the blog whose author is a brit, who is at in college, who has done -- cam college, a revision on nuclear strategy and runs for office, i think you'll find that one could even say the flexible response promptly goes to the conventional, it was used by many to cover the development of counterforce capability as opposed to a r

. >> a professional surfer and ocean explorer, garrett mcnamara, tackles the biggest and baddest waveshe ocean has to offer. and it's the promise of a whopper that brings him, girlfriend nicole, and a video crew to the coast of portugal in november 2011. what was once a completely individual sport has evolved over time. toe surfing, where one person on a jet ski pulls another on a surfboard, allows surfers to catch waves that were once out of reach. they were just too far out to paddle to. simply put, this raises the stakes and the danger level. >> surfing is such a -- i don't know, for lack of a better word, maybe a selfish sport. it's us, our surfboard, catching our wave, not wanting anybody else on our wave. with toe surfing, now you have a partner. so there's that relationship. and that all plays on every given moment. >> on this day, garrett is the designated tower. his friends, al and andrew, catch the majority of the waves. while garrett never even intends to get on his board. >> they wanted to surf the left in front the rocks. and i didn't really want anything to do with that l

i just wanted to comment that -- first of all, mcnamara lasted a year on counterattack. -- working 13 years on nato nuclear weapons, i never term extended deterrence. it was a bit cartoonish. would you cite a good source of history that goes through all of these things that go flexible response -- of all these things? deterrence. it was -- i got deeply involved in the subject. what is a very good source for all of these histories? when you do things by decade, it is not precise. >> [inaudible] >> thank you. not precise. however, i want to push back on the flexible response. when maxwell taylor talks about flex will response, and appeal to kennedy. that is a part of what green berets were all about. conventional forces were the focus. i will assert to you and i will help if you go to the book whose t, who has done a revision of the basic book on nuclear strategy, i think you will find that one could even say flexible response properly goes to the conventional, it was used by many to cover the development of counterforce capability as opposed to the response understood to be counter val

i know this breakfast has a long tradition and we know that starting with president mcnamara, the presidents have been here. i'm open to talking about anything you might want to talk about, but publicly, something on the top of people's minds is ebola. that's going on right now. first of all, let me just start by saying that i've been watching carefully about what's going on in new york city and couple of things that are very striking to me. first, this was a city and a system that was extremely well prepared. i think we learned a lot from dallas. and looking at the response from both the governor, the mayor, the public health officials, tom frieden of the centers for disease control, it was very impressive. they did everything in just the way you'd want a government or system to respond. the other thing i'd like to stress is we have to understand that dr. spencer is a hero. he is doing exactly what's needed to actually bring the epidemic to an end. he is a hero in that he went and did the one thing that we need to do in order to stop more cases from coming not only here, but everybody where

i know this breakfast has a long tradition and we do know that starting with president mcnamara, the presidents that have been here. i'm open to talking about anything that you might want to talk about, but probably something that's on the top of people's minds is the ebola epidemic that's going on right now. first of all, let me just start by saying that i've been watching very carefully about what's been going on in new york city. and a couple of things that are very striking to me. first, this was a city and a system that was extremely well prepared. i think we learned a lot from dallas and looking at the response from both the governor, the mayor, the public health officials, tom frieden of the center for disease control, it was very impressive. they did everything in just the way you'd want a government or a system to respond. the other thing that i would like to stress, and we can talk more about it, is we all have to understand that dr. spencer is a hero. that he is doing exactly what's needed to actually bring the epidemic to an end. he is a hero in that he went and did the o