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let's speak to oliver mcternan.ostage negotiator who's in touch with people close to the talks on all sides. today, he was sent footage from a colleague inside gaza which shows the area near al—shifa hospital. the footage has been checked by our verification team. welcome to bbc news, oliver. let's talk about that footage first. perhaps we can put some on the screen. tell us more about it as well. ~ ~ , ., ., , well. well, i think it is horrendous and it speaks _ well. well, i think it is horrendous and it speaks for _ well. well, i think it is horrendous and it speaks for itself. _ well. well, i think it is horrendous and it speaks for itself. al-shifa i and it speaks for itself. al—shifa would have been an important hospital in the rehabilitation of the area, and as we can see from this footage, it is now impossible. one cannot imagine it being usable in the foreseeable future. so i think it is a very tragic development in an extraordinary, horrendous and catastrophic situation. what we have got to realise is that

let's now speak to oliver mcternan on this.former hostage negotiator who's in touch with people close to the talks on all sides and also the director of forward thinking, an ngo which works to promote an inclusive peace process in the middle east. what you make of these conflicting reports tonight and some suggestions that a deal is creeping closer and at the same time, some teachers suggesting that hamas has dismissed it entirely. the suggesting that hamas has dismissed it entirel . ., , ., ., ., it entirely. the operative word for the spokesman _ it entirely. the operative word for the spokesman is _ it entirely. the operative word for the spokesman is cautious - it entirely. the operative word for the spokesman is cautious and i l the spokesman is cautious and i would be extremely cautious because what i have heard is in fact that the proposals put on the table are a must almost irreconcilable. there is no clear definition of when the cease—fire would happen or how long it would last and there is also no commitment to withdr

parliament and it's gone to the supreme court and it's gone to a variety of quangos, well, john mcternanblair's former director of political operations between 2005 and two thousand and seven. john, she does have a point there, doesn't she? >> well, the main thing , the big >> well, the main thing, the big turn that came across was it was always somebody else's fault. liz truss was in the cabinet, eventually became prime minister in the for cabinet nine years. tony was only in the cabinet for ten, and yet liz truss was unable to do anything. it was always somebody else's fault and i think the railing against tony blair, tells you a lot about the politics, her political journey . politics, her political journey. you know, the only the only liberal democrat in the room at times , but the point she makes, times, but the point she makes, john. come on, you know, it was tony blair who incorporated the echr into uk law via the human rights act. it is that human rights act. it is that human rights act. it is that human rights act that ultimately, the supreme court now can, can, can lean upon an

john mcternan is tony blair's former political secretary, and he was not impressed by what liz trussaid last night. well, of course he wasn't the main thing . course he wasn't the main thing. >> the big tone that came across was it was always somebody else's fault. truss was in else's fault. liz truss was in the cabinet and eventually became prime minister in the cabinet for nine years. tony was only in the for cabinet ten, and yet liz truss was unable to do anything . it was always somebody anything. it was always somebody else's fault . else's fault. >> now, is that a fair assessment? do you think , andrew assessment? do you think, andrew pierce, if you've read the book, you've interviewed her about this? i have read the book and i've known her a long time, and i've known her a long time, and i've book, the book i've read the book, and the book is interesting. is quite interesting. >> doesn't, and shift >> she doesn't, try and shift the to everybody else. the blame to everybody else. she does other does blame a lot of other people, but accepts things people, but she accepts things