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bill mcveigh never had a chance to tell anyone with a great kid tim was at times. i knew people that went to school with him. they said he was a quiet guy but ok. he was apparently a good military man. we gave him three medals for his service and he came back with ptsd. the other two he served with, they had ptsd as well. mcveigh just had it worse than others. >> you mentioned columbine, eric harris, one of the shooters. he had a school report about guns in school and he said, more and more, we hear about rampages in schools. some can be prevented and some cannot. almost every shooting can be prevented in some way but we need to spend the necessary money and resources to figure out how. >it is amazing to read the words from one of the shooters and columbine. we will be posting this on our website. the alleged shooter has not gone to court but it is believed he will face the death penalty. your final thoughts, for you, for your daughter? >> i have a tremendous amount of compassion for the victims' family members. the first year after drooly possible death was the wo

he pointed to timothy mcveigh's bombing using illegally purchased fertilizer. >> he was able to carry out mayhem. >> gun control advocates admitted they do now have leaders from either side pushing what they want -- new tougher laws. >> a conversation that puts aside partisan politics and focuses on one thing and one thing only -- what we can do to save lives. >> and virginia voters we spoke to say it is not their top priority. >> it will not be in the forefront of my decision. mostly the economy is important. >> jobs. gun control is important, but not the most important. >> i also believe a lot of of gun owners would agree ak-47 -- ak-47s belong in the hands of soldiers and not criminals. >> ak-47s are not allowed to be in the hands of criminals. that is the law. >> democrats facing their own tough reelection campaign are reluctant to wade into this issue. harry reid said not only will congress not consider new legislation, but they do not even planned to debate the issue in this election year. >> thank you. new developments with an outbreak of hepatitis see. concern is growing-- hep

timothy mcveigh. that was his thing. the ft. hood shooter which people think was a terrorist attack. i do no. uh i think it was a mid life crisis. he said, you have ignored me. but, i'm really a terrorist. not really. you're a mass murderer. that was your point was just to be seen and get back at people. we're talking about psychopathy and having a moment to play god. >> how much do these mass murderers, how much do they pay attention to each other and read the manifestos and think in terms of they did it this way, i will also do it that way? >> a lot actually. there are sites all over the internet. the mass murderers and psychopaths of the future spend a lot of time on the internet and they go to the columbine site and brevik and also find out how to make bombs and the guns they should get and how to stage the whole thing. you can basically -- it's a teaching guide on the internet how to commit your own mass murder if you spend a few moments with a few words in google search. yes, they spend time doing that and fantasizing abou

timothy mcveigh was not did a lot of people who are dead are dead at the hands of people who are clearly derange and we don't do anything about it until they kill. >> i want to salute charles krauthammer for his eloquent advocacy for making more available and accessible mental- health. it was easy to get mental-health treatment as it is to buy an assault weapon, this would be a lot better country. 2/3 of all deaths and in this country, murders, and all the guns. you are -- involve guns. you are 11 times more likely to be murdered in the united states than in japan, six times more than in germany. we have accepted and control and in this country since 1934. fully automatic weapons, machine guns, have been banned t. you cannot bring a weapon into the capital of the united states, where all these pro- gun. and cancel heroes, these john wayne wannabes -- pro-gun heroes, these john wayne wannabes, from the halls. >> what about this show? you want to bring a concealed weapon on this show? >> god, i hope not. >> if you want to move this economy forward, working families need a helping hand. >>

i don't know, timothy mcveigh was not the problem is that a lot of people who are dead are dead at the hands of people who are clearly the range, and we will not a thing about it until they are killed. >> i want to salute charles krauthammer for his eloquent advocacy fof making more available and accessible mental- health. if it were as easy to get mental-health treatment as an assault weapon, this would be a better country. 2/3 of all murders in this country involve guns. you are 11 times more likely to be murdered in the united states than in japan, six times more than in germany. we have accepted gun control in this country. since 1934, fully automatic weapons have been banned. you cannot come to the best of my knowledge, bring a weapon into the capital of the united states -- it to the capitol of the united states, where all of these pro-dgun heroes, these john wayne wannabes, patrol the corridors. they don't want anybody in there who might have a gun. why can we not extend the same level of security? >> what about this show? are we allowed to bring a concealed weapon on this show?

and he compared tim mcveigh as like the shooter in aurora.dy using fertilizer but immediately afterwards they started regulating the sale of ammonia nitrate. and how many giant fertilizer bombs have you heard of going off since then. you haven't! that's the point. >> and it doesn't address -- do you know how many military veterans we call in and say people shouldn't have the weapons. these are military -- they belong in the theater of war not on the streets. >> the point that you have so much ammo that you see to become a person with a gun you become a bomb. >> and they were saying with this kind of weapon you could have had 12 navy sales and take you out. all of these armchair heros -- this is a military weapon. >> and everybody talks about how much he planned this. he had a goal. i will give him that. but a plan is actually expectation of someone coming in the opposite direction of equal force, that you go they'll do this, i'll do this. all he did was i'll walk into a room full of people eating popcorn and open fire while gas the place. >>

timothy mcveigh, how many did he kill with fertilizer? >> he made his remarks in london. today he met with the chancellor, he plans to attend ethe olympic opening ceremonies tomorrow. president obama is back in the nation's capital. the president held his first meeting since january. secretary of state hillary clinton, u.s. defense secretary leon panetta and other chiefs met at the white house. president obama applauded the senate by voting to extend tax cuts. up next, the house is expected to extend the cuts. >>> an interesting poll about religion and the race for president. out of the 80% who know mitt romney is mormon 60% are comfortable with his beliefs. with record to president obama, half of voters correctly say president obama is a christian. 17% misidentify him as a muslim and 31% say they are not sure what he is. >>> a new study shows that 2/3 of world leaders are on twitter. 16% of g20 leaders are using twitter. and the most followed account is president obama. he has 17.8 million followers and the most retweeted tweet was a comment by the president saying same-

. >> dana: remember timothy mcveigh, his trial was not in oklahoma city. it was moved to denver.t was for him to get a fair trial. i am a traditionalist, somebody once told me if you are going to be in tv, for cameras in the courtroom. but i'm just not. i like reading about it. i love the descriptions. i think the court reporters have to be more decembe more de. there wasn't cameras with john ed wards. >> greg: and you know who is hurt is the sketch artists. they'd be out of work. >> dana: he's an artist. >> greg: i'm an artist at heart. >> dana: can i ask you another thing? when the tragedy first happen, the massacre happened, one thing that people were asked and president obama agreed not to mention his name. so to me i'm like well, then, if that is how the victims feel maybe cameras in the courtroom is also something that should be done. >> greg: exactly. i don't want to see the guy. >> eric: what of a case where someone may have known him and didn't realize they know him until they see him on tv. and they go i remember when he did this in high school. maybe it helps stop it f

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whether it's timothy mcveigh or this guy, they are individuals out to cause harm, whatever their reasons. it makes no sense in the world. >> what really scares me and concerns me is that they have this attitude towards the tea partyers as though they were an evil entity because they love patriotism. >> sean: limited government. >> so that was their first go-to suspect in a situation like that? >> sean: i think it runs deeper. i think liberals for a long time eye will throw this at you, michael -- are trying to create a false narrative. we only fight on the air. we get along great. but the narrative that even president obama advances about conservatives that they want dirty air and dirty water and kids with autism down's syndrome and the elderly to defend for themselves -- that's insulting to me as a conservative who wants to live within our means, not borrow 40 cents of every dollar, why does the democratic party always do ha? >> just like it frustrates people on my side-- >>> what do we -- >> when the right talks about tax and spend and president bush was one of the biggest tax-and-spen

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it will be harder because think about jared loughner, timothy mcveigh, that was a federal building. he was an army personnel. there was automatic federal connection here. it's a little more difficult burks with the terrorism domestic terrorism charge, i think they could bring it. >> gregg: going after government, government officials. >> right, atf coming into that apartment. anybody. >> i agree. it also makes me think of the additional charges that he's going to face. there is going to be hundreds of charges, this booby trap, this is an additional. not just the victims, but as the officer stated -- >> ten years ago with the dc snipers, remember how that started? federal examine -- and state. different jurisdictions. >> gregg: his and keisha, thank you both. >> heather: now to a fox news alert. apparently all explosives have been removed from james holmes' apartment. they have been taken to the dump to be destroyed. we will have much more on this coming up in a live report. stay with us. this developing news a party? [ music plays, record skips ] hi, i'm new ensure clear. clear, huh

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timothy mcveigh. how many people did he kill with fertilizer?ts that can be purchased legally anywhere in the world? he was able to carry out vast mayhem. somehow, i'm thinking that laws against the instruments of violence would go away i think is misguided. >> although fertilizer is actually meant to grow crops and a gun is meant to shoot. but the point is, he's really right solidly in the line of his party on this. >> well, i mean, he is. but of course when he was governor of massachusetts, he reinforced quite tight gun control laws, which would have outlawed the very assault weapon that this shooter used in aurora. and i find it very strange that there is such a political impasse about gun control in america, when you have a 24-year-old young man, clearly disturbed, but no history of mental health problems, no history of criminality, so he wouldn't have been flagged up by any warning, is able to go in and buy a high-powered assault weapon, then buy thousands of rounds of ammunition on the internet, and full military style body armor, and all

timothy mcveigh, how many people did he kill with fertilizer with products purchased legal little anywheres against the instruments will make violence go away was misguided. >> if he only passed laws that would make it go away, we wouldn't -- but the question really that the laws ought to be judged against whether they ameal yor ate a problem or move you in the right direction. the comments show how completely the gun control debate has been locked down. even the president has only cracked open the door a notch in his speech on wednesday in new orleans. it really traces back in the al gore election, democrats joined republicans in concluding this was not a winning issue. polling has moved away from gun control since bill clinton left office. the country is still divided close to 50/50, from the point of view of president obama, the 50 open to gun control, the 50% who isn't has so many reasons to oppose him, it's unlikely he will convert them by silencing himself on this issue. >> at the end of the day does this weigh in in the general election? >> i don't either one will raise it. we've se

timothy mcveigh. how many people did he kill? with fertilizer.ucts that can be purchased legally anywhere in the world. he was able to carry out vast mayhem. somehow thinking that laws against the instruments of violence will make laws go away, i think is misguided. >> misguided. tell me a little bit more about that exchange. and also just for our viewers, i was reading this article in t e "time" magazine, we'll be talking to the author of this piece, which i don't think a lot of people realize, the assault weapons ban, it lapsed. it wasn't re-upped in congress in 2004, but it was mitt romney as governor of massachusetts who signed that into legislation on a state level, so why not nationally? >> well, that's to point i made to him and others have made to him. i mean, he doubled down very firmly. he does not want to see any change to gun laws whatsoever, despite wanted in aurora. i felt that president obama last night was opening the door, publicly, to having at least a conversation with republicans about this. to rtry to work through some consen

over the news, which douglas arafat cannot public land and correct me if i'm wrong, the shoe on the mcveighcase of the corporate philosophy gave them a blind spot when it came to a drug fracturing and more surprising because you make an amazing point actually a member that rex teller's sin is young engineer to come may actually does using the technique. and so, do you think about one case in a striking case that corporate philosophy that manage the rest and make sure we make a certain return of the week you hindered them from having into what is now this huge economic opportunity in this country with natural gas? >> guest: they were slow, but their offense and then they were decisive, so they get to places late and then they buy their way in. that's the pattern. so they've ever had a great reputation. i'm sure they have some wind and they probably have a story they tell themselves about their successes and exploration and they have some. but by and large, their strength is financial and operating strength. they have more passion than anyone else, and generally if they feel to discover somet

timothy mcveigh used this opportunity and create a distraction.we do not need to see this happen again before we take action. in closing, as we begin today's discussion about the homeland threat landscape, i look forward to hearing about how we can move away from merely identifying the problem and move towards finding and implementing solutions. with that, mr. chairman, i yield back. >> i think the ranking member. i asked if we can recessed a few moments. the problem with the microphone should be fixed in a few moments. the committee stands in recess for hopefully just a few minutes. >> today, nearly 11 years after the 9/11 attacks, america is stronger and more secure thanks to the work of the men and women at dhs and our federal, state, local, tribal and international members across the enterprise. yet while the united states has made significant progress, threats of terror persists and continually evolve. we faced direct threats from al qaeda. we face growing threats from other foreign-based terrorist groups, which are inspired by icon at ideolo

some, you know, militia or worried about individuals who may have perpetrated crimes like a timothy mcveighberty part you might be okay. to say that liberty lovers are the ones that could be a trouble? >> to lop it in there with all the other things just doesn't really make sense to a lot of of people watching this program right now that say i'm reverend reverent of my individual liberty but don't want to be lopped in with extremists. >> alisyn: world net daily taken a look at this study. where is the mission of islamic extremism that is homegrown that is here. looking at the guy who was planning the times square bombing people who do live here and are actively doing disruptive things, where is the mention of that? >> clayton: interesting. let us know what you think friends at foxandfriends.com. if the healthcare ruling did not come down this year in 2012. voters would be stuck with it that's why our next guest says the timing was perfect on the supreme court's ruling. >> dave: interesting. then there are more teenagers on anti-depressants now, more than ever before so are we too quick to h