this is it. >> if you go to john meacham's house. >> you could take a bath in it at meacham's. >> oneto whether or not they let the greeks default. 10:30 today, guys, big, big focus is going to be when president obama walks out into the rose garden and gives us his deficit reduction plan. interesting to see the degree to which he'll try and dress it up as some sort of justice for millionaires who aren't paying enough. if you actually look at the figures in the journal today, it's all about families with children, $250,000 or more paying more. expiration of the bush tax cuts in 2013 and this new idea there should be no deductionings at all for people earning over $250,000. that's a big focus for many people down here as, of course, we gaze upon the million dollars. back to you. >> thank you so much, simon. save some of that for us. >> what are they doing with that? >> it's going to be -- it's a cnbc challenge. >> what. as people watch we'll give you the money? >> i don't know. i want some of that action. >> i want to know. >> is that how much they gave you? >> it was unmarked bills. >>

and after mayor meacham died, mayor meacham's daughter, minnie, married eamon carter. and they were a very big power couple until carter died -- >> when was that? >> probably in the early 1930s. and they were married when he died in the middle 1950s. that was his wife, and it was the daughter of mayor meacham. and to this day their papers are together at university of texas at arlington. i researched them, the meacham/carter family papers -- >> kind of distanced himself from the norris -- >> yeah. everybody sort of forgot about it, you know? that's why this story sort of went away because on the one hand the baptists, you know, it was an embarrassment to them. norris didn't want to talk about it. texans didn't want to talk about it because it brought in the klan and things we'd just as soon forget about. it sort of gets buried you should the silt of time -- under the silt of time, and that's where it's been. >> did norris ever talk about the klan and just say later that that was a mistake? >> i never found any evidence where he actually dealt with that particular issue

meacham, do you have the list of rules from the school? think joe needs to review. >> oh, no. >> before i get to news. >> okay. willie, listen to this. >> and your art room downstairs, i copied five art room rules. >> and you want to apply these to "morning joe." >> particularly to you and dr. geist. number one, respect yourself and others. >> okay. there's a problem there. willie and i know ourselves too well. >> number two is not going to go over well. listen carefully during instruction. that will not -- >> in fact, i'm already bored with this list. >> number three is remain seated at all times. number four, raise your hand to ask a question. and number five, challenge yourself and be creative. so it's -- >> good lord. >> these are rules i think apply. >> there's a reason why my school when i was in fifth grade was not the best in the city which i lived in. so these are special kids. it's a special school, and more importantly, mika, the community. what everybody is doing here is just so critical. because the one thing we want to avoid.

jon meacham decided to show up. former adviser to president george w.h, contributed to news week and daily beast. co-founder of no labels. song writer. >> fashion plate. >> fashion plate. the man you need to know if you want to hear great music, measuring mark mckinnon. you know who i'm going to bring with me? he always gets me in trouble. i'm going to bring jay carney with me. >> he's a music fan. >> jay carney. carnegie. >> jay. >> eminem in the house. how are you, man? >> mika taught me everything i know about austin. it is a great, great town. i spent a lot of time covering the governor bush campaign in 2000 for president. love austin, texas. >> mark mckinnon told me as he was walking out of the white house and axelrod going into the white house, he said you can have it. good luck. jay on a personal note -- >> sure. >> you covered the white house so long. talk about, if you will, because i talked to david about this, too. you have no idea, do you, what the incoming is like inside that, those four walls until you get there. >> that's so true, joe. it

back on set is jon meacham?teele and talk politics. if you bet on in trade on rick perry a couple of weeks ago, you better be shorting it now. "new york times" is reporting his stock has even dropped on in trade. >> is it over? >> do you agree with the fox news analysts, brit hume, that rick perry quote threw up all over himself in the debate. we haven't even brought up the fact that cain won the florida straw poll rick perry was trying very hard to win. >> yeah. rick invested a lot in that straw poll. the fact of the matter is, i think brit hit it about right. you look at that debate, perry came off very stiff, very wooden, a little bit defensive in many spots. it did not translate well. the immigration issue was huge for a lot of conservatives attending the cpac event that weekend. the other aspect of this that was fascinating was the rock that is now michele bachmann and how fast that has fallen. >> boy, can you believe how quickly she has collapsed? >> the reality there is it's the hpv issue. a lot of conser

jon meacham still with us.ble tavis smiley, the host of pbs's "the tavis smiley show." good to have you both this morning. >> this speech by president clinton and joe biden up at shanksville, so moving. and i always -- it was always interesting, willie geist. i always thought the first punch back after 9/11, and now this ten-year war against al qaeda. a war that for the most part we have won. the costs have been horrific. but osama bin laden's dead and so many, most of his lieutenants are dead. they've been scattered like the wind. but the first punch, the first counter attack is when todd beamer and some other guys from the back of the plane said let's roll, and they knocked down the cockpit door and knew they were going to their death, took it into the ground and saved the u.s. capitol. saved the u.s. capitol. >> some people said that almost immediately after the first battle of this war has been fought and america won. and you watch all this coverage of the last couple of days and you feel like you've seen e

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if you no fort worth, meacham airport is named after him. he's the city credited for bringing aviation to fort worth, texas factor in that time. are we okay? already. want me to keep going? already. and norris would really use his newspaper, radio and poet for personal attacks. he wouldn't be about preaching a sermon, where he would accuse the mayor of all sorts of things, including having an affair and other things. this is before there was an xtc. the fcc didn't come along -- the first part, long before 1937. you could say anything you wanted to say on the radio. well, things are cheated. this is the period of time 85 years ago in fort worth. what happened is a friend of the mayor by the name of d.e. chipps said i'm going to speak to this preacher and get them to stop and defend my friend. so he went to see norris on july the seventh team, 1946, basically they had a heated argument. sitting to stop preaching sermons and stop criticizing my friends. nora said he's going to keep on doing it. would have been in the next moments was debated, a