meadows, pennsylvania, north carolina, arizona. hannity, yep. meadows, nevada. >> hannity, got it.o add, there are a lot of reporters in these texts, as you would expect, because they reach out to the chief of staff. there are other fox hosts. there are cnn reporters, reporters from the new york times, washington post, abc, nbc, but there is nothing like these texts between sean hannity and meadows. >> let's be clear. that is not normal. for people who don't know how we communicate, it is not normal for somebody who works for a purported news organization, despite the fact that he is clearly not a journalist and doesn't even really purport to be, that's not okay. >> that's not normal, and dana, the equivalent would be ron klain, who was president biden's chief of staff texting you nonstop to say hey, president biden would love it if you talked about this on your show on sunday this weekend. and you going ahead and doing it. can i just quickly note one thing that really stood out from jamie's excellent reporting? this idea that the text messages appear to act as an echo chamber of f

and meadows said, all right, let's talk about it. my question to you is, what is your committee's understanding or your understanding of the significance of that warning or mr. ronaldo's role? >> well, i can't say, because we really have not discussed that yet and we are not there yet, but the committee is very focused on the outbreak of violence and what were the intimations of violence? it was the planning for violence that took place among some of the most domestic extremist groups, including some of those that have been prosecuted and some of the people who have decided to cooperate and turn to states evidence. we are trying to put that together. this was a marriage between and inside political coup at the highest levels of the administration, with street thugs and hooligans and neo-fascists. >> it is striking reading some of the tax and we will talk about some of those from the chief of staff. it is very clear that mark meadows is essentially the intermediary for much of this discussion. he is the person that has next to the pre

you put this story with meadows, there's an increasing sense that meadows was the repository of -- iefs of staff of the white house that give their phone number out. >> yeah. >> and they text this wide array of people. i think if you put this together with the meadows voter fraud thing we have seen in recent days, do you not think that it is getting pretty clear that mark meadows has suppressed hr haldeman as the worst white house chief of staff of our life? >> it is a four way tie, with white house chiefs of staff and trump has made it an extremely difficult call. we are going to have to deliberate on that another night. john heilemann, thank you very much for joining us tonight, we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and coming up we will get a live report from ukraine and a report on the russian state medias reaction to the sinking of that russian warship. that is next. that is next bipolar depression. it made me feel trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dar

this is what mark meadows turned over to the committee.he received and sent in the days leading up to january 6th and the election. what stood out to you the most from what he did turn over? >> well, kaitlan, this is the big picture that the house select committee would be seeing at this point about what mark meadows was talking about with people and what people were sending him. and the thing that really has stood out is how much meadows was a conduit to trump. we knew that already he was the white house chief of staff at the time, but throughout this period after the election, top people, members of congress, more than 40 current and former members of congress, advisers, even family of donald trump, were sending him messages with this impression that he was the person that had trump's ear, that could tell trump what to do. so i want to walk through some of these. they really are striking. one of them, ivanka trump, the daughter of the president, is texting meadows and a number of other people in the inner circle including her husband jar

he won the seat that mark meadows left. cawthorn quickly and successfully became a maga darling, joining the cohort of outrageous far-right house members know includes marjorie taylor greene of georgia and migration florida. , now suddenly, he's on a lot of hot water. in the color quickly coming from inside the house. i began about a week ago and political published use photos that appear to show cawthorn wearing woman's laundrie at a party, which they say were provided, quote, by person close to the governor's campaign. he did confirm it and blame to his role opponents, which seems unlikely, quote, i guess the love things goofy vacation photos during a game on a cruise is going to hurt me? i'm not gonna speak the left, but i don't think it came from the left. i don't care about the photos, few days later, this article came out called the washington examiner, relating an allegation that cawthorn may have violated federal insider trading laws. thank you station, and you really not gonna believe until you hear, saunders on th

meadows responded, we are. his white house chief of staff did nothing to turn back the attack on the capitol. senator lee and congressman roy then voted to uphold joe biden's electoral college victory in the vote on january 6th. joining us now is john heilemann. co-host and executive producer, msnbc national affairs analyst. and john, you have 100 new text to read today. what is your read of the new meadows texts? >> well, hey lawrence. my first thing is, mark meadows, man, he got a lot of texas this year from a lot of loopy people, over the course of the election, through january 20th. i mean, ginni thomas, others coming in and the other. i agree with you that there has got to be -- when grading republicans in this period, one unfortunately has to use a sliding scale. both of these two gentlemen we're talking about -- chip roy and mike lee -- they end up in the right place, i believe we should give them credit for that. they ultimately end up seeing the version of january 6th, that the crazy had taken over. th

and everything we knew, meadows knew. that, i think, is really strong evidence against meadows and trump. and my other point -- you really just made it. but you just gave what he wanted to give. then he stopped cooperating. we have, from this trove, nothing about what he said back to them. and it's just the initial cut. there has to be so much more. and one hope that maybe the department of justice, in negotiating with them, is actually trying to still get them to cooperate and get this sentiment over. because otherwise at least the committee is never going to see it. >> yeah, harry, we will get to that in a second. but i think that these text messages are actually going to help build the case against donald trump. because, as you know, it goes to the idea that his defense -- that there was some good faith belief that there was a truly fraudulent, stolen election, that gets blown up. the drip, drip, drip of these text messages goes to show that donald trump had the requisite intent to know that he was going to be committi

mark meadows is a good example of that.sent a narrative and to show that while trump world was, you know, saying that democrats were doing voter fraud, and doing a coup, they were trying to do a coup. so yes, there's an opportunity here. again, it's all about narrative. it's all about laying it out for the american people. you know, it doesn't -- if a percentage of the country doesn't see it, then it hasn't happened, right? so you really have to permeate this siloed media and i think the way to do that is to have hearings that are in prime time, that really show everything, that show who doesn't show up, who does show up and what they say, and i think that's your best shot for keeping democracy right now. >> coming up, one man to rule them all, we'll have joyce advance and molly jong-fast stay with us. i want to know, is florida becoming a state of one-man rule? the miami remember alleged nancy ankrim will join our panel and she thinks so, coming up next. t. isn't that right, frank? i saved 25%. booyah. you protected your c

mark meadows, i'm pushing it hard. i agree.ill try to f his entire legacy on this. if it gets worse. it's a little strange. the god father reference there. but look, these texts under score that the committee was interested in what trump was doing. leading up to january 6. but very specifically what he wasn't doing. while these allies and his own children are pleading with him to act. >> it seems like strong evidence. >> yeah. they have the receipts. we have just shown you ones. in this paiece on cnn.com. you see texts from 30 different people. we reached out to all of them. i think one of the things to remember is, this will put a whole new light on what was going on with election fraud, conspiracies, and trump just the 187 minutes when he wouldn't act. >> on the lies they were telling people. just to try to shape the story themselves. jamie, great reporting. appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> some of meadows texts putting a new spotlight on gop congresswoman marjorie taylor greene. including one when she brings up martial law t

did she know that mark meadows handed over texts to the committee?s that the kind of worry that she would bring to the dinner table to her husband? mark meadows handed over some texts, i wonder if she handed over some of mine? the rest of the text from mark meadows and donald trump's communications come before the supreme court. eight justices easily agreed that it should all be handed over to the committee. only clarence thomas says no. none of it should go to the committee. was clarence thomas knowingly saying no, you should not get my wife's communications. the day will come in weeks or months when we will discover how many communications to and from clarence thomas's wife were in that massive archive of information that clarence thomas alone said should not be handed over to the january six committee. >> it is not enough for us to just trust the core any longer and self enforced a secret, internal code of ethics. the highest court in the land cannot be exempt from the standards we hold every other federal judge to. >> that is one of the problems

who was trying to reach meadows? when you read these messages, from members of congress inside this building on january 6th, that were pleading with the then chief of staff to try and get the former president to do something to help quell the violence. like, for instance, his own son was among those trying to reach out to mark meadows. donald trump jr. saying that he's got to condemn this asap. the capitol police tweet is not enough. meadows responding, i am pushing it hard, i agree. trump jr. then going on to say, this is one you have to go to the mattresses on. they will try to eff his entire legacy if it gets worse. then there's members of congress themselves that were on the front lines of all of this happening. some of the former president's most ardent supporters and pushers of the big lie. for instance, marjorie taylor greene said to meadows, mark, i was just told there is an active shooter on the first floor of the capitol. please tell the president to calm people. this isn't the way to solve anything. and th

meadows stressed every note vat matters get out and vote. hannity responds like every journalist would -- i'm being sarcastic -- yes, sir. hannity digs himself deeper. on it. quote, any place in particular we -- the supposedly independent media at fox news -- we need to push. the we is he doesn't pretend to be talking or interviewing a source. he says let's help trump and meadows responds with more orders. pennsylvania, north carolina, arizona, nevada. hannity said, got it, everywhere. we can't he will, because text tone is hard to read, whether the everywhere is a little bit of a sarcastic jab, because if you need help everywhere you might be losing the election. again, this is something we've talked about in reporting on this horrific insurrection -- has more of the republican party warmed to this over time, we have the evidence -- that's what's so unusual in this digital era, about how many republican lawmakers were concerned in the moment not only for their safety, because they never apparently managed this would be cheer on by so many p

he's the point guard, everything runs through mark meadows and i think it's worth remembering, mark meadowsd, got cold feet, stopped and since then had no consequences. let's remember, mark meadows has been heltd in contempt of the committee, sent that over four months ago, doj has not done a thing with it so unless something changes, mark meadows really at the fulcrum of all this will get away without ever testifying. >> look at this text from marjorie taylor greene, texts meadows, in our private chat with only members, several are saying the only way to save our republic is for trump to call for marshal law. i don't know on those things, i just wanted you to tell him, they stole this election. we all know. they will destroy our country next. please tell him to declassify as much as possible so we can go after biden and anyone else. i -- look -- it's not funny, i mean, it's just, it's just delusional. she's calling for marshal law. but last week when she was asked under oath if she had ever discussed any of this about martial law, this is what she said. >> would you advocate to president t

if mark meadows comes under scrutiny with anyone looking at mark meadows? >> 00%. he's the fwa who they will bring forward. right now, i think they're let, the meadows' content play out in a book that's a motion to dismiss, but i don't think there's time to have him go through the courts top there talking about, but if i were the house i would consider a new spaefrn spaina, and not go into the legal objections that are giving heartburn to the doj. he, scavino and mccarthy, the three witnesses who are basically irreplaceable. they have 800 other people and they'll fill in the gaps everywhere else, but man, meadows really needs legally and as a matter of just public service to be telling the story of what happened here and as of now it looks like he's going to skate through. >> you know, luke, the story telling that meadows has allowed the committee to do is some its most compelling and it helped shape some of the requests for witnesses and some of them have complied for subpoenas and i want to describe the public hearings which is the term we will make in june in te

did she know that mark meadows handed over texas to the committee?s that the kind of worry that she would bring to the dinner table to her husband? mark meadows handed over some tax, i wonder if she handed over some of mine? the rest of the text from mark meadows and donald trump's communications come before the supreme court. eight justices easily agreed that it should all be handed over to the committee. only clarence thomas says no. none of it should go to the committee. was clarence thomas knowingly saying no, you should not get my wife's communications. the day will come in weeks or months when we will discover how many communications to and from clarence thomas's wife were in that massive archive of information that clarence thomas alone said should not be handed over to the january six committee. >> it is not enough for us to just trust the core any longer and self enforced a secret, internal code of ethics. the highest court in the land cannot be exempt from the standards we hold every other federal judge to. >> that is one of the problems he

2,300 text messages first obtained by cnn to former president trump's former chief of staff mark meadows, before, during, and after the january 6th riot. and the text messages suggesting trump declare martial law, just days before joe biden was about to take office. jon karl standing by tonight. >>> the pandemic and here in the u.s. tonight, the fda now authorizing the first covid treatment for children under the age of 12. in fact, the drug ruled safe enough for infants just 28 days old. >>> tonight, president biden con grej watting french president emmanuel macron who defeated far right candidate marine le pen, critical of nato, and she had been supportive of putin in the past. >>> alarming new images at home of a school bus collision now emerging. police say the driver who hit the bus was street racing. >>> tonight, the faa now investigating an aerial stunt gone wrong. two pilots trying to swap planes in midair. one of the planes crashing. at 119, her final message of ma- hope and of cheer. >>> good evening and it's great to start another week with all of you at home. and we begin ton

i feel like every day you find something new, like the mark meadows.nce a few days before and it's like, ho-hum, drinking my coffee for the day. right? and it's just -- it's mind boggling to realize this was not just some guys who decided to get a little wild after a few beers and try and break into the capitol. this was coordinated, clearly at the highest levels, and you know, it goes back to saying that, you know, the stakes are really high for the elections this fall. democracy is back on the ballot because if, you know, leader mccarthy becomes speaker mccarthy, if mcconnell becomes the senate leader, mcconnell then all bets are off as to what they will try to do to make sure that their party holds power and that somebody like trump if not trump himself gets the white house again. >> charlie, i want to talk a little bit about mark meadows as atima just referenced, this idea that he was told that there could be violence at the january 6th rally, which turned into the insurrection and the attack on the capitol. and the question of what he actually did

meadows knew about and by the way, mark meadows has three strikes now.he knew the false electors were illegal and he pushed it anyway. second, he knew they were going to be instructed to march to the capitol and lied about it and said that that was an ad lib in the president's speech. not true. another lie, and then the guy who is all about voter fraud committed voter fraud. he's got three strikes and it's time for the justice department to step up to the plate and call him out. >> claire, i want to read you one more piece about the republican members because for me, the meadows is the big headline, but the complicit and the -- and the aggressive action to undermine the results by the lawmakers has been -- we debated whether or not the committee should or should not subpoena it, and it's hard to imagine why they can't. this is from the filing. the investigator asks cassidy hutchinson this question. which members of congress were press not during meetings where the white house's con, was not legally sound as opposed to further research. this is cassidy hu

what is your reaction to the idea that meadows was warned of the violence, and entertaining the ideasyou had congressmen and -- excuse me, you had congressmen who you had to protect later that day, officer finone, and what is your reaction to that? >> well, the idea that there was or that anyone involved with the events of that day or was in trump's inner circle was not aware of the propensity of violence was pretty ridiculous, and there is evidence that has come out or come to light that showed that elected members of our government, and their staff and surrogates were in communication with members of the proud boys, and three per percenters and the oathkeepers, and these are groups that advocate violence, and whose members have a propensity for violence and it is not just known to law enforcement. it is known, you know, pretty well throughout the u.s. that this is what these groups were established for. and the fact that they were brought in, in an organized effort to participate in the rally shows me that it was obvious that it was going to be a violent day. >> and according to the

mid-december, he's warning mark meadows.the point where we can expect anyone can do it without strong direction. now, the senator is talking about recruiting other senators to vote to overturn the 2020 election. he's making it clear to the white house chief of staff that they need evidence to do it. on january 3rd, three days before the capitol riot, senator mike lee makes clear to mark meadows again, i know only that this will end badly for the president unless we have the constitution on our side. alex and christi, we know now they did not and we know it did end badly. and for the country three days later. >> in fact, there's so many different threads, this is just one of many that you guys have been reporting on. what do you think this means now for the broader investigation by the january 6 committee? >> yeah, alex, it's really interesting at its core, we learned a lot, a lot of people were texting mark meadows about plans to overturn the 2020 election. mark meadows has been referred by the committee for contempt charges

it's the only path, roy texted meadows on december 31st.dangerous constitutional ground. three days before january 6th, he warned, i know only that this will end badly for the president unless we have the constitution on our side. they did not, but the trump team and a group of loyal republicans went ahead with their plan anyway. as it became clear their effort would not be successful. hundreds of trump supporters stormed the capitol in protest as the violence was raging, roy texted meadows, fix this now. >> the gentleman from texas. >> reporter: he then went to the house floor and placed the blame squarely at president trump's feet. >> the president should never have spun up certain americans to believe something that simply cannot be. >> and the volume of these texts which are now in the possession of the january 6th select committee really shows a lot about what was going on behind the scenes between the white house and members of congress during the lead-up to january 6th. and it also shows some real reservations from both roy and mike

and he's telling meadows that.mpaign spokesman, says in a group text to meadows and kushner, quote, i tried to walk the president through this earlier, but he won't have any of it. here's the interesting part. two-thirds of the maga base wants us to move on. they all knew, jake, to your point, but they either weren't telling trump, but they certainly were not telling the public and their followers just for context, meadows replies, they tend to be very short, as far as the logs are concerned. sometimes it looks as if he does not reply at all. we don't know if that's because things were deleted or withheld for privilege. >> very disturbing but amazing reporting. jamie gangel. thank you so much. >> the problem goes well beyond those text messages, of course. almost two years later, the big election lie is still very much alive. how 2020 conspiracy theories have flooded some campaigns that are thriving today in 2022. that's next. throughout history i'i've observed markets shaped by the intentional and unforeseeable. f

it's the only path, roy texted meadows odecember 31st.fort was on dangerous constitutional ground. three days before january 6th, he warned, i know only that this will end badly for the president, unless we have the constitution on our side. they did not. but the trump team and a group of loyal republicans went ahead with their plan anyway. as it became clear their effort would not be successful, hundreds of trump supporters stormed the capitol in protest. as the violence was raging, roy texted meadows, fix this now. he then went to the house floor and placed the blame squarely at president trump's feet. >> the president should never have spun up certain americans to believe something that simply cannot be. >> reporter: both the offices of roy and lee did not dispute the information that we revealed in these text messages. congressman roy's office telling us that the texts speak for themselves. as for senator lee, his spokesperson telling us he was very transparent during this period of time and the information these texts reveals do not

to testify, the house january 6th committee that a former meadows' aid said he was warned in advance about violence that day. what does this court filing tell us? >> thanks for having me. the top line from this report is really that cassidy hutchinson, one of meadow's aides, that a secret service agent, someone who served as a political advisor to the former president, told mark meadows directly there would potentially be violence. he said, let's talk about it. details in a 248-page briefing that painted an even deeper picture of the extent that meadows was involved in the efforts to overturn the election, told that efforts were unconstitutional, illegal, and several red flags around the situations. >> what does it mean for the house january 6th committee? >> yes, i think it means a few things. from a legal perspective, it means that you know, mark meadows potentially falls into this category that the january 6th is trying to prove, there was a good faith basis. that meadows actually knew there was a problem, a legal issue with some of the efforts again, to overturn the results of th

the testimony to the committee, one of meadow's top aide said a senior secret service agent alerted meadows dental about possible violence. meanwhile, there is new separate legal trouble for the former president. a new york judge holding trump in contempt of court for failing to turn over documents to the state attorney general who's investigating him for fraud. trump has not been ordered to pay 10,000 bucks a day starting today, until he cooperates. and his lawyers, no surprise, are promising to appeal. with that, let's bring in this evening's first experts, a pair of pulitzer prize-winning journalist, phil rucker, deputy editor at the washington post, my caroline,-ing investigative reporter with the washington post, they coauthored the new york times bestseller, i alone can fix that. and msnbc contributor chuck rosen, former u.s. attorney, and former senior fbi official. good evening to you all. carol, on the side with you. three days, three days before their inauguration, marjorie taylor greene sent this text message to mark meadows, quote, and our private chat with only members, several

he is taking advice from meadows, giving advice to meadows. this is the antithesis of what you think an organ of the press i'd be doing. but the real focus now, he probably doesn't have any criminal exposure, but meadows might. so, yes, to the extent that it reveals meadows either knowledge of the violence, or possibly what he's done in these phony slave electors. that could zero in on medals. i think, though, there are mainly looking to tow the story. they're not looking for any dramatic moments, but they want to put one foot in front got there. you will see largely a ground game with a few 20 yard attempts. but, it's really one foot off to the other. and even for meadows, i think they will look lost to him. it doesn't seem there will be time for that. and more people like cassidy hutchinson, as a two did give them from an upper information about him. >> peter, i think terry's point, these show sean hannity the acting almost like a shadow chief of staff. do we know just how far that went? or do we at least know more about how far that went? a

meadows replayed, i agree. very concerned. as well they should have been as powell's cracking amounted to nothing. days later, the trump campaign cut ties with her but mike lee said give me something to work with. i need to know what i should be saying. please, tell me what i should be saying. in the absence of talking points to justify stealing an election, lee and roy started pushing attorney john eastman but by december, texts showed both starting to realize they made a huge mistake. on new year's eve roy warned the president should call everyone off. it's the only path if we substitute the will of states through electors with a vote by congress every four years, we have destroyed the electoral college. the next day he added potus allows this to occur, we're driving a stake in the heart of the federal republic. lee argued this will end badly for the president unless the constitution is on our side and we have trump electors pursuant to state law, we do not. in the end with the doubts in play, neither objected to the result.

an aide to mark meadows.ignificant details that are relevant to this investigation. first, she testified that meadows was indeed warned that january 6th could turn violent. she also testified about some of the campaign officials like rudy giuliani who were hell bent on getting mike pence to do whatever it took to not certify the election. >> yeah, huge questions and the same aide also testified that the white house knew that the trump team's plan to overturn the election was not legally sound. the white house counsel explained that to them and the scheme went ahead anyway and meadows was a point person for all this. >> he was the point person between donald trump and the white house and people outside of congress who were trying to overturn the election. that includes members of congress. for me, what was one of the most stunning revelations last night in the filing was just how deeply involved republican members of congress were. they were sitting on planning sessions in the white house. they were trying to

cnn has obtained over 2300 texts sebts an sent and received by mark meadows. meadows played a key role in an attempt to stop biden from taking office but how other republicans tried to middle oig as well. this is the first time that cnn has actually got their hands on almost all of them. what stood out the most to us in all of these? >> this really is the big picture. these are the 2,000 text messages that meadows has voluntarily handed over to the house celebrity committee. and these come from the inner circle. and why that is important, it is clear that as these people around trump, close to trump, prominent lawmakers were texting h mark meadows, they were trying to get to the president or at least they viewed meadows as a conduit to trump. so we were getting to see what people were hoping that trump would hear before the election -- sorry, after the election and then in the heat of what you can call the fog of war on january 6. so who is sending these? we have them from a lot of different people in political spheres including more than 40 current and former

>> yeah, these meadow texts are so revealing.y. quote, dude, we need ammo. we need fraud examples, examples of voter fraud. we need it this weekend. meadows writes we are working on exactly that. the initial days after the election, worried we're going to need evidence. if you fast forward 12 days to november 19 there's another exchange where senator mike lee texts meadows. the potential defamation liability for the president is significant here for the campaign and for the president personally unless powell, sidney powell, can back up everything she said, referring to her sort of wild claims of voter fraud, which i kind of doubt she can, senator lee says. and meadows responds, i agree. very concerned. and so that shows you as of november 19, mark meadows, the chief of staff, knew darned well there was no evidence of voter fraud and yet what does he do? what does donald trump do? they continue to claim this in public. they continue to claim this in court. and that, i would argue, is where the fraud is. >> well, dude, i would argu

repeatedly asking meadows to talk to clark. congressman jim jordan, the day before the attack saying pence should block the electoral votes. joining us jackie. meadows turned these over and then stopped cooperating. specific attempts to get raffensperger on the phone and get him to change the election. it seems as though meadows was front and center in a lot of this. >> yeah. as the texts reveal and as we have known, mark meadows was at the nexus of the efforts. he was not only trying to do the president's bidding in trying to identify some of the legal strategies and apply pressure on local and state officials like raffensperger, but he was also viewed as the conduit by members on capitol hill who nearly dozens of lawmakers, republican lawmakers were texting him at some point after the 2020 election in november ahead of january 6 to find various ways to stoke chaos in the aftermath. these messages not only reinforce the role that mark meadows was playing, but i think they drive home the fact that dozens of gop members were als

she sends this to mark meadows on the 6th.ere's an active shooter on the first floor of the capitol. please tell the president to calm people this isn't the way to solve anything. so on january 6th, after all of this planning, and let's have this rally, all of a sudden, she's scared. the next day, not so scared and the tone turns to apologetic. and she texts meadows again, quote, i'm sorry nothing worked. in other words, they weren't able to stop the certification. then, on january 17th, a third text. and now, she's three days before joe biden's inauguration, still looking for a way to keep trump in power, and she texts this, quote, in our private chat with only members, several are saying the only way to save our republic is for trump to call for marshall law. she doesn't know how to spell marshall. i don't know on these things, i just wanted you to tell them they stole this election, we all know, they will destroy our country next. please tell him to declassify as much as possible so we can go after biden and anyone else. an

as the violence was raging, roy texted meadows, fix this now. have spun up certain americans to believe something that simply cannot be. >> and we reached out to both of these congressional offices for a response to our reporting. neither office denied the authenticity of these text messages, senator mike lee's office telling us he was transparent during this time frame and nothing in the texts contradicts his public statements, meanwhile, congressman chip roy tweeted about our story this afternoon said quote, i'm only going to say this once, no apologies for my private texts or public positions to those on the left or the right. i stand behind seeking truth, fi fighting nonsense and acting in defense of the constitution, jim, of course, these texts in possession of the january 6th select committee. >> and they are very troubling messages indeed. all right, cnn's ryan nobles thank you very much. >>> coming up, the big obstacles standing in the way of the united nations responding to rurush russssia's invasion of ukraine. ♪ ♪ ♪ you're probably th

meadows handedover these texts to the committee.idence about the role many republican members played in the attempts to prevent the certification of the election is also growing calls for the january 6th select committee to consider issuing subpoenas to members like scott perry. so far, they have resisted that step. jake, we reached out to representative perry's office multiple times today to get him to respond to this story. they did not respond at all to our inquiry. jake. >> we should note, scott perry, a former pennsylvania army national guard brigadier general, one could only imagine what he would have done had he been in uniform in this period. ryan nobles on capitol hill, thank you. joining us, "the new york times" jonathan martin and alex burns. they have obtained never before heard audio of kevin mccarthy right after the insurrection. they also have a new book coming out on may 3rd that has made quite a lot of noise, titled, this will not pass, trump, biden, and the battle for america's future. thanks for sharing first on "

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mark meadows replies, thanks, brother, pray for a miracle.l has it. he says he has not spoken to meadows since january 20th, 2021, and that he was just trying to get an appointment with the president but he stands by everything he says. >> one of the talking points we've heard a lot of the former president's supporters trot out over the past year is the write rioters on january 6th weren't actually trump supporters by the antifa supporters that infiltrated the peaceful protest, the line they were pushing, anything in the text that shed light on that false narrative? >> absolutely, it turns out that was a rapid response by the trump campaign. the texts show that trump allies immediately wanted to deflect responsibility for the january 6th attack. so shortly after the riot is happening in the, at the capitol, one of his top aides, jason miller, his campaign spokesman texts this to mark meadows and dan scavino, quote, call me craze, but ideas for two tweets from potus. one, bad apples like the antifa or other crazed leftists infiltrated today's

mark meadows being the recipient of most of them.hrough a little bit more what struck you whether it was from the notes from jason miller, those mentioned jason clark, the lawyer, and you said marjorie taylor greene, and the unique spelling of martial law, and what are some other standouts, and what else do you think will attract the committee's attention. >> i think the one thing that really stands out is the fact that there are big gaps of text messages that are missing, and also where meadows turned over and i think what is interesting is what he didn't turn over, if you look at the time line, there is a been gap between december 9 and december 21, a crucial period in the aftermath of the election which the january 6th committee is focused on because a whole lot of events happened. and it was when the white house appeared to have coordinated trump's fake slate of electors being sent from various battleground states to congress. and midweek, phil waldron one of the people affiliated with michael flynn was briefing members of congre

meadows mentions a couple of states. hannity says, yes, sir.k later on november 10th, hannity has a very different tone. he says, quote, i'm beginning to feel down. and by december 6th, he and mark meadows are now talking about life after donald trump. so let me read you one text here. this is december 6th. sean hannity, if this doesn't end the way we want, you me, and jay, i'm guessing that's jay sec you low, are doing three things together, one, directing legal strategies versus biden. two, north carolina real estate. three, other business. i talked to rudy. thanks for helping him. there's also another text where he suggests where hannity suggests meadows comes to work for fox. so after this is over they know what's really going on. they are moving on very early. >> but in some ways that makes it more infuriating. they're talking about maybe we'll go into really or cut a deal with rudy. publicly, they are still fighting and pushing and promoting the big lie. publicly. >> correct. then you get to approaching january 6th. as december goes on, y

and then white house chief of staff mark meadows.y 6th insurrection. they show that some lawmakers were in favor of overturning the election results until they discovered there was no evidence to back up the claims. here now is cnn's ryan nobles. >> reporter: senator mike lee of utah, and congressman chip roy of texas, two of former president trump's loyal defenders in congress, dozens of private texts to mark meadows a picture emerges how both went from aiding challenging election results to ultimately warning against it. the texts obtained by cnn show how they were trying to help initially but then raised concerns to trump's top deputy about efforts to stand in the way of the certification of the 2020 election. we're driving a stake in the heart of the federal republic, roy warned meadows on january 1st in a text message in possession of the january 6th committee. it came after weeks of begging meadows for hard evidence concerning election fraud and concern that the lack of evidence was a problem for the trump legal team. we must u

as the violence was texted meadows, fix this now. squarely at president trump's feet. >> the president should never have spun up certain americans to believe something that simply cannot be. >> reporter: both of the congressional offices did respond to our exclusive reporting. senator lee's office saying that they believe the senator was transparent during this period of time. there's nothing in the texts that contradict what he was saying publically. congressman chip roy tweeted out a response to our reporting. he said that he is only going to say this once. no apologies for my private texts or public positions to those on the left or the right. i stand behind seeking truth, fighting nonsense and then acting in defense of the constitution. of course, all these text messages already in the possession of the january 6 select committee. they continue to be a key part of that investigation. laura? >> ryan, thank you so much. we will be right back. their home and auto insurance. isn't that right, frank? i saved 25%. booyah. you protected

be violence on the 6th," recalling meadows saying, "all right, let's talk about it." according the committee filings, meadows was part of the effort to change the certified results of the election, including encouraging state legislatures to appoint alternate electors to the electoral college and taking part in conversations about replacing the acting attorney general with someone who would support them. this as republican house leader kevin mccarthy is trying to stay in president trump's good graces after "the new york times" released audio recordings of mccarthy telling fellow republicans in the days after the attack he thought trump should resign, saying the former president bears responsibility and that trump agreed with him about that. >> i asked him personally today, does he hold responsibility for what happened? does he feel bad about what happened? he told me he does have some responsibility for what happened. and he needs to acknowledge that. >> reporter: in a new interview with "the wall street journal," the former president denying he ever accepted some res

that story, the mark meadows story, has easy resonance. it goes directly to this republican charade about massive voter fraud that affects the outcomes of elections. and it is exactly what donald trump was saying that democrats were going to be doing all over the country. >> well first of all, i wouldn't be surprised if mark meadows bragged to trump that he did it, and trump probably gave him an attaboy. a second thing, the clearest point, it is a felony. let's see if we have equal justice here. but what is scary to me having worked in the white house is this is the white house chief of staff. so on the one hand, it is a felony. on the other hand, it is indescribably stupid. and it just reminds us that this person, this is one of the most important jobs in the world as the white house chief of staff, that this guy looking at all of the intelligence, helping make decisions, helping chart the course, is just a reminder of what we have dodged when trump lost his second term. it is frightening. i can't imagine a white house chief of staff, ima

hannity texts meadows to ask about turnout in north carolina. need to push? >> yes, sir. what was that part again, sean, not being told what to say on your program? now keep in mind this is the same mark meadows who was told that plans to try to overturn the election using so-called alternate electors were not legally sound and that the events of january 6th could turn violent. this according to a court filing from the house panel investigating the attempted capitol coup. even so meadows pushed forward with the march that led to the assault on the capitol. here we are again. the right telling us one thing in public only to say something in private text, conversations and phone calls, only to deny the wrongdoing. better yet pivot and dodge which is exactly what house minority leader kevin mccarthy did today when asked about the leaked audio where he is heard saying that he would advise trump to resign following the mob assault on the capitol. >> i never told the president to resign. it was a conversation that we had about scenarios going forward,

mark meadows, on it.eck, is happening with vpotus, one of the references to pence. while hannity was fiercely loyal to trump on air, on radio, on his tv show, what these texts also show is his off-air relationship was sometimes more complicated. he sometimes complained about trump's conduct and that the president was actually hurting the republican party. jim? >> all right, thank you, jamie. joining me now, cnn political commentator ana navarro and the editor at large for the daily beast. we're so worn down, this is not that big a deal when you compare it to everything else that's come out. but molly, in some of these text messages, 80-some text messages, hannity is replying "yes, sir," "on it," "got it." wait a minute, this is a television personality, i guess, coordinating with the white house. how does this sound, you know, to you? i mean, this sounds like hannity is essentially working for donald trump. >> right, it sounds like fox news is the propaganda arm of the gop which we sort of knew. but it's

how central was meadows to the efforts to overturn the election? see are texts -- the incoming but not outgoing. >> that's right. we are seeing a partial window into the communications meadows had, because he had initially cooperated with the committee and given them some of the text messages. clearly, the committee would like more information from him. he has since stopped cooperating with the investigators. what the messages we have seen show is that meadows was a key figure in the heart of the trump operation in these efforts to try to overturn the election. he was not only taking advice from people like rudy giuliani and other lawyers, john eastman and others who were laying out a strategy, a plan for trump to try to steal the election from biden, but meadows was the conduit. he was the person connecting people with trump. also, we learned in these text messages that on january 6, during the attack on the capitol, meadows was the one getting pleas from members of congress, from allies of the president, from the president's son, donald trump jun