meadows: lol. >> that is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that mark meadows knew that every word rudy giuliani and donald trump said about dead voters was a laughable like. but mark meadows supported, enabled, and conspired to help advance those election lies as that lol proves beyond a reasonable doubt. the washington post is now reporting that the relationship between mark meadows and donald trump has, quote, soured. trump has repeatedly complained to others about meadows and questioned his loyalty, according to three trump advisers. since trump said he wasn't named a target of smiths investigation earlier last week, his allies have been feverishly speculating about the degree of meadows's and whether smith provided testimony to build a case against trump and others. in the weeks after the 2020 election, mark meadows reportedly pandered to donald trump lies about election fraud. the washington post reports, quote, people close to meadows have said that he was privately sympathetic to those trump advisers who were skeptical of the fraud claims. yet meadows also played both sides, oft

take us inside being mark meadows. >> you know, i've been covering mark meadows for a long time when he was the chief of staff. but even before that. and mark meadows, as white house chief of staff, took a kind of personality turn, in which he was trying to keep the chief happy, meaning the boss. and keep a smart group of folks who thought the claims of fraud were baloney also happy and feeling heard. my understanding from reading a lot of the documents, reviewing a lot of the information and talking to other sources, is that meadows' position now is similar. he is not trying to antagonize donald trump. he is not trying to antagonize supporters of donald trump, who back some of meadows' best friends in the freedom caucus. he is going to, in the words of close ally, let the chips fall where they may, as it happens with donald trump. he's going to tell what he is required to do under the law and has. if that's a report that finds donald trump engaged in horrific violations of his office or involves in him being indicted, that's where the chips fall. meadows has frequently played two si

meadows' cooperation. very common practice in any criminal investigation is to use people who are involved in the crime, conspirators of lesser culpability to provide information about those of greater culpability in the hope of leniency, bargain for exchange like any other. i don't know, again, if mr. meadows sen gauged in that sort of bargaining with the special counsel. there's no question, based on our findings, and as alleged in our report, he has criminal exposure. >> mark meadows has criminal exposure, as you said earlier, donald trump has considerable criminal exposure, maybe to the point it's sad to see a former president facing this much criminal liability. this isn't the only avenue that jack smith is pursuing, there's also the prospect of the fake elector plot. listen to this elector in michigan who says she was quote unquote, duped into signing the false certificate. >> michelle lund gren is the 9th name on the list of accused fake electors, charged by michigan attorney general dana nessel. >>

do you feel meadows will be a cooperating witness?n which ways do you think he can actually be very perilous for donald trump specifically. >> well, i would throw out one caution. i would think even if he wasn't cooperating, if i were his attorney and i thought he could potentially be indicted, i would have also told him keep your mouth shut, no more public comments. you can have another interpretation of this. but getting to your question, mr. meadows was one of the people with the closest and most access to donald trump in the period between the election, november 3rd of 2020 and january 6th of 2021. he was in all of the most significant meetings. he was part of the calls and pressure campaign on brad raffensperger, the secretary of state of georgia to find the more than 11,000 votes that he needed in order to win georgia. he was involved in communications with congressional members and state legislators in swing states where they were pushing this idea the legislature could come in and reserve and the elector scheme where electors

is mark meadows cooperating with this investigation? it caused quite a bit of consternation with some of the outside groups and the right wing think tanks that mark meadows works with, because if he is cooperating, obviously there is a joint legal defense fund going on here, and would, you know, some of that money be going to meadows and as he is potentially working against trump? of course, again, this is purely speculative. we don't know the status of mark meadows, nor a lot of the other key witnesses who have -- who were involved with former president trump's scheme to overturn the results of the 2020 election and whether or not they're targets, if it has been communicated to them, if they're targets, whether or not they're also going to be indicted. but mark meadows is someone who would potentially have a plethora of information, text messages to emails and communications leading up to january 6th. and on that actual day he was someone who was intimately involved with the day to day, had tons of interface with former president donal

meadows replies, quote, lol, let's laugh out loud for those who are tracking. hilarious, this is all hilarious, all of it. meadows, who was trump's chief of staff, and a key figure in trump's orbit in the aftermath of the election, also testified to the grand jury. the special counsel's team reportedly has hundreds, hundreds of text messages and emails. there's also new reporting today that federal prosecutors are asking former governor officials about a february 2020 meeting in the oval office. in that meeting, trump reportedly, quote, touted his administration's work to expand the use of paper ballots and support security audits of vote tallies. so, all of this could play into what jack smith's team is looking at, especially when it comes to trump's mindset in the days after the election and leading up to the insurrection. we are going to dig into all of this tonight. there's a lot to cover. this case is commonly shorthanded, and this is important, and i want to talk through this a bit before we go into the details. and this is often shorthanded as the januar

there's also news about trump's final chief of staff mark meadows.reportedly took part in that infamous phone call to georgia's top election officials in which the former president asked that official to, quote, find some 11,000 votes. the washington post reporting, federal prosecutors have been focusing on a text message meadows sent in which he mocks the baseless claim, that the large number of votes or fraudulently cast in the names of dead people. that was one of the many false claims trump said over and over about the 2020 election. and just a reminder, for facts sake, there was no capital and, capital o, evidence of widespread voter fraud of any kind in the 2020 election. was that, let's get smarter with the help of our leadoff panel on this monday night. sam stein is here, a veteran journalist and white house editor for politico. greg bluestein, a political reporter for the atlanta journal-constitution. and msnbc political contributor and former federal prosecutor. glenn kirschner, glenn, you are my law man. let's get this thing started with.

this text was sent just before days before meadows joined that infamous phone call between trump anderger the, secretary of state of georgia where trump pressured him to quote find 11,780 votes. talk about how this evidence might impact funny willis's investigation and why it might be significant? >> it would be significant first of all, let me say first of all ayman that text message was not just obtained by federal prosecutors of, is obtained by the generous a committee, it's publicly available. i tweeted a copy of it earlier today and invite your viewers to go see it for themselves. it's significant because it shows mark meadows who was a participant on a january 2nd call very clearly doubting the veracity of claims about dead voters that the former president then made on that call to raffensperger with no interference by mark meadows. mark meadows never said, no sir that's not true, we never found anywhere near that number of deceased people voting, in fact we only found a handful of them. so if i am fani willis, that phone call, coupled with the text message between mark meadows

meadow was present for all of them, and he could be incredibly valuable. i would think he has flipped and will cut a plea deal and testify. if he has not, he seems likely to be charged in light of all the evidence like the one you just described about his role. in those scenarios as a prosecutor, i would state to him and his lawyer, you have a choice, you can be a witness or you can be a defendant. the choice is yours. we'll see what choice he makes. >> and that's why we have you on all the time, barbara mcquade, you've got an answer for everything. thank you, my friend, good to see you. >>> the doj told texas it had to commit to moving buoys in the rio grande aimed at deterring migrants by 2:00 p.m. eastern today. so what happened there. >>> you know it, i know it, everybody knows it, deadly extreme heat, what you need to know about the week of weather ahead. >>> up first, what's happening overseas, israeli parliament, passing the controversial bill limiting court powers, what the israelis are doing to protest. we are back in just 60 seconds. . we are bac

with his help were, in fact, false and mark meadows knew they were false the fall time. lisa rubin, christina greer, tim hay if i, thank you for your time. >>> ahead, texas is backing the republican abortion ban that's putting women's lives in danger, but first richard lui. >>> historic damages were billing after a russian missile strike. zelenskyy said there would be retaliation. >>> wildfires rage in greece for a sixth day forcing nearly 26,000 people to evacuate from the island of rhodes. more wildfires breaking out today as temperatures reach 110 degrees. >>> and a search continues for a 9-month-old baby swept away in floods last week. the infant's 2-year-old sister and mother have already been confirmed dead. it's led to an outpouring of posts on social media. more ayman with ayman mohyeldin after this break. yman with ayma after this break children in texas anymore. i was very clear that my health didn't really matter, but my daughter's health didn't really matter. >> i'm so sorry i couldn't help her. she had no mercy. there was no mercy there for her. >> that powe

that meadows wrote to a white house lawyer that his son, atlanta area attorney blake meadows had been probing possible fraud and found a handful of votes casin dead voters napes, far short of what trump was alleging. the lawyer responded that perhaps meadows son could locate the thousands of votes trump would need to win the election. what do you make other than white house chief of staff joking about election fraud? >> well, first thing i would make of it is if mark meadows has flipped, i would be concerned if i was trump team. and he's been silent and i think there is a good chance that he may face potential exposure that he he is cooperating. as far as the text exchange, it is remarkable to see how many of the behind closed door exchanges may turn out to have significant implications. here the obvious implications is that the chief of staff knew full well that they didn't have remotely sufficient evidence to change the outcome in any state, let alone the multiple states he needed to stay in office. so from the special counsel perspective, it is a gift from god in that he could go b

and the freedom caucus still will meet and consult with mark meadows from time to time.layed a role during the speaker's fight, encouraging some of their efforts there. so, yes, he is laying low. he doesn't want to talk about january 6th. we know he's testified in the jackson investigation, which is something that the january 6th committee never -- testimony for the january 6th committee never got. and he is still communicating with his allies on capitol hill. but he is keeping a very low profile. we haven't seen him much in public. and so, it was interesting to see that video of him out in the world. >> and i still want to know, what does he do for a living? how does this man pay his rent? joyce, let's talk about rudy giuliani. now, he claims he did not admit to lying about georgia election workers. and he is trying to set up a motion to dismiss this case. what's going on here? >> right, so, rudy giuliani is trying to thread a very fine needle here. his stated reason is that he is trying to avoid expenses and litigation by conceding some of the key elements in a defamat

because you've got this whole issue of meadows that straddles -- meadows is key because he straddlesomponents of the january 6th case and the fulton county case. and of course he's immersed in the fulton county case, which is the at slate of electors, the security breech, january 6th at the capitol. meadows is in the room, he knows what's going on. he straddles both issues, for smith. with regard to fulton county, there are security concerns with witness protection, protecting the courthouse, protecting prosecutors, protecting fani willis. she's already alerted law enforcement well ahead of time that they see this coming, start preparing. and i know that the federal agencies are offering help to the county sheriff and the county police and the city police and the georgia state patrol. so we're about to go through, as i look at this from law enforcement, the nation and the nation's law enforcement with all of this on the table, it's about to go through a kind of stress test. whether they can get out in front of something bad happening, find that lone actor, respond to what trump and o

meadows has exposure. there's no question.an the select committee included him in the criminal referral to the department of justice. he, himself was in the center of all of the prongs of this multi part plan to try to disrupt the joint session. he is in the middle of the potential personnel change at the department of justice, possible installation of jeff clark. he is on the raffensperger call. he literally arranges and participates in that infamous call, where the president tells secretary raffensperger, we just need to find 11,000 votes. during the day on january six, he is still contemplating, you know, improving the president going to the capital after his speech on the ellipse. so, look, he is clearly a conspirator. that means he could either be charged as a conspirator, or, he could work out some sort of deal with a lack of charge, in the hub of leniency, in exchange for cooperation. i don't know which of those paths heat will elect to take. it's clear from our investigation that he was so thick in this, what we found

as a grid of meadows' communications.n i generated exhibits like that for the grand jury, chris, that was a sure sign i was possibly looking to indict that person. so mark meadows may have a world of trouble coming to him. >> wow. so another possible person you think could be in the sights of jack smith. one of the things we've talked about is how much more we got in jack smith's first indictment than we might have expected. what are you looking for, glenn? let's say this does come down this week as some people are anticipating. what will you be looking for? >> i'm looking for a speaking indictment. i think jack smith will inevitably speak to the american people again true a narrative in this indictment. garrett is right. the three crimes in the target letter didn't involve insurrection or seditious conspiracy. but everybody needs to know there's no legal requirement for a target letter in the first place. if one is delivered to a defendant, there's no requirement that every charge that could end up being indicted must be

so mark meadows, here is mark meadows, who is one of the people who is considered a potential star witness if he was to testify for the prosecution. this is what he said recently when he was asked about the jack smith investigation. >> yeah, i don't talk about anything. >> and he said that this morning. but here is chris christie, a former federal prosecutor, a former governor of new jersey, of bridgegate fame. this is what chris christie had to say about mr. meadows. >> what i will say in watching that video is that looks to me like somebody who is cooperating with the federal government. the witnesses told as they leave you don't have to answer any questions or talk about it, but you are free to do so if you like. the only time you can't do it is when the government has a cooperation agreement with you and they say no talking about this. the only time we want to hear you talking is on the witness stand. and that to me, mark meadows looks to me like a federal witness under cooperation agreement. and my guess is that's what we're going find out he is. >> if trump really scared s-less, is i

but that to me is what mark meadows can tell us the most about. what happened on one of the most consequential days in american history. he doesn't go into it in his book, he barely touches it. there's a lot of things that he could talk about that might be relevant to a criminal case, but i would love to see him tell us -- what happened during those awful hours on january 6th. >> kenya, let me ask you about the broader risk for our country. when it comes to the many investigations into donald trump. there is a part of those who have watched his behavior, who are worried about it. and they look at the various indictments that have come and maybe we'll come in georgia. but how do you rank the election interference probe and its significance to what is at stake here in our country? >> you know, eamonn, you rightfully talk about this a lot on your show. but these lies are poison to our democracy. they've seeped into every single level of government. i know we're so often focused on what's happening in congress, federally what happens with the fake spe

meadows's silence.eness to the presidents, in the presidents and/or circle, and the days after he left the white house. this is at least suspicious, if not -- >> while one of the looming questions is still the possibility of what this could lead to. i think if there are convictions, even possible jail time. here is the presidents response that notion. >> for example, they do say, jack smith says, okay, i'm going to put donald trump in jail. >> i think it's a very dangerous thing to even talk about, because we do have a tremendously passionate group of voters. i think it would be very dangerous. >> you know, hannah, earlier this hour, sarah matthews was particularly concerned about that comment. how do you interpret it? >> we have seen how influential donald trump's words are on his followers. we saw it on january 6th. if he says to do something, or if he implies something, or if he retweet something, his followers will follow his command. right, it wasn't until he told people at the capitol to go home o

is meadows acting here like a cooperating witness? >> i don't know. i'm not sure i want to go so far as -- we heard chris christie go right there. it's a possibility and it certainly is consistent with that behavior, but it could also be he's got a good lawyer who tells him it don't talk about january 6th. don't say anything about it. i think most good clients who are listening to their lawyers would act the same way. but i think it's quite possible, and if so, he would be an incredibly valuable witness, just because of his role as the former chief of staff. he was present at donald trump's right-hand at all those key meetings. and if he were to cooperate, is information, i think, would be extremely valuable to the government. >> david, elaborate on that for us. how crucial could meadows cooperation prove for -- smith's investigation? i don't mean cooperation in the context of an agreement, but just the fact that he's providing information for what they are seeking in those hours and days after the election. >> i will hazard a guess. i'm the only pers

mark meadows has been before the dprj. and it's not just the fake electors but it is the question of the violence, to the degree that the violence was a tool to stop an official proceeding. let me show you some of the sound that we dug up today of trump's closest advisers and allies in congress who clearly, as the insurrection is happening, know that the insurrectionists themselves are at the direct and complete command and control of donald trump. we start with chris christie and a few others. >> the pat caused this protest to occur. he's the only one who can make it stop. >> mr. president, you have got to stop this. you are the only person who can call this off. call it off. the election is over. call it off. >> i was very clear with the president when i called him. this has to stop and he's got to go to the american public and tell them to stop this. >> so, harry lipman, as we -- because trump has already been indicted we know a little bit about what a trump indictment crafted by jack smith and his team looks like in th

i believe mark meadows is cooperating. i believe rudy colludei is cooperating. i believe all of them are cooperating. the thing about history is that it tends to repeat itself, and all you have to do is look at me, look at what happened to me to understand that donald cares for no one or anyone or anything for that matter other than himself. and if they have any opportunity within which to save themselves from the pain that they saw me go through, then rest assured they're providing information, they're providing testimony, documentary evidence. whatever they have, they're providing. >> michael, nbc actually had the chance to catch up with mark meadows of all people today, somebody who was an insider certainly in the white house with donald trump. take a quick listen. >> i don't talk about anything. >> mark meadows looks to me like a federal witness under a cooperation agreement, and my guess is that's what we're going to find out he is. >> you know, michael meadows is known as the guy who knows all, and i believe that, just like i believe he'd say, as in meadow

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you saw the video of mark meadows earlier, out of mark meadows is cooperating with the government or not. chris christie seems to be able to read into body language there, i guess. but one thing you can't be sure of is that the prosecutors care more about donald trump than they do about the people below him. whether they talk about valets, in mar-a-lago, or the federal white house chief of staff. i think they're gonna make every effort to turn everybody that they can, and they probably will be able to make a lot of immunity deals. >> they are trying to go for big. fish left face. it let's take a look at what the indictments has happened between june 22nd and 27th of 2022. june 22nd, trump gets a draft subpoena for surveillance video. june 20, third he calls carlos de oliveira, his maintenance, supervisor and they spoke for 24 minutes. june 20, for the final subpoena arrives, and we get a message that trump wants to see, him not touching just his plans in travels to mar-a-lago. june 20, fifth nauta's ledge to have met de oliveira and walk around pointing to different surveillance came

in relations to mark meadows.ve to come and talk, not really knowing what cassidy said, how to see the context in which she placed him in conversations that she was in the room for. yeah. it was an interesting squeeze for jack smith. the initial inflammation, we want to get mark meadows and go right forward, right? we can wait. we will just wait a little bit longer. we've got time. we have to stretch this thing out. in all that time, they are pulling and other resources of information and cooperation. you lied to us when we originally talk to you. make a note of that. when they get him in the room and start the conversation, he does not know what they got. he does not know all of what they know. to david's point, he has to sit there and know how much of my really going to give up for this man? i will not give him anything in return other than my freedom and that only comes if i cooperate with them, not relying on donald trump to have my back. donald trump does not view mark meadows the way he viewed his cfo. okay,

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and meadows seems to laugh about how little voter fraud they were able to uncover. and yet just days after he wrote those text messages, he was setting up a call between donald trump and georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger. during that call trump mentioned an election worker named ruby freeburn freeman. not once, but 18 times, citing a debunked conspiracy theory that claims she was stuffing ballot boxes for biden, along with her daughter shaye moss. that was spread publicly by trump's chief coup lawyer, rudy giuliani. >> the minimum number is 18,000, for ruby, but they think it's probably about 56,000. but the minimum number is 18,000 on the ruby freeman night where she ran back in there when everybody was gone and stuffed. she stuff the ballot boxes. let's face it. >> look at them scurrying round of the ballots. nobody in the room. they look like they're passing out dope. not just ballots. it is quite clear they're stealing votes. >> as a result of these conspiracies, ruby freeman and shaye moss were effectively forced into hiding. shaye told the january

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we're also finding out things about mark meadows. i wand to play this sound from george conway on mark meadows. >> i also think the last possibility to me has always been the most intriguing, which is there are -- are there people who are cooperating? we have seen some very strange quietness from, for example, mark meadows. i just have the feeling something is going on there. i mean, he's someone who ought to be every bit as exposed as donald trump. yet he's been so quiet and it just seems like there's something up with him. >> joyce, i don't know if silence means guilt. i don't know if silence mean he's trying to lie up his life for a long time in jail in a jumpsuit. i don't know, but is there something to this, the fact that one of the main conspirators, somebody who was intimately involved in the process at least legally trying to overthrow the 2020 election, that he hasn't been on the talk circuit, that we haven't heard that much. we know he's testified, but he's been kind of quiet. >> he's been awfully quiet, and i think george

indication of what mark meadows has.eems it has been pretty quiet. >> there is a lot of guessing going on in that world of mark meadows. there's been a lot of suspicions about him for sometime. it's been months and months and months. i suspect that will continue as we move forward. it's going to become clear at this, kaitlan. who told will become clearer to him. we know he has this 84% witness list and the documents case. if he is charged and this case, which is not a definite, by the way, no i don't deal. but it is likely. if he is charged by eject smith in some connection with ten or six, it will eventually become apparent to him who among his aides and in his world was talking and that always becomes a different set of anxiety for him. >> maggie haberman, going to be a busy week for us. >> yes, it will be. >> as donald trump is now bracing for that potential third indictment, top house republicans are running swiftly as that usually due to his defense. even one of his arch rivals in 2024 is as well. governor ron desan

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as to mark meadows, mark meadows has issues here. we don't know what his status is. reporting that he's spoken with jack smith's team. but this can be incriminating towards mark meadows. he's laughing, joking about the fact that his son has only found a handful of isolated voter fraud. why doesn't he find all the thousands that you and your boss keep joking act. >> right before he was on that famous trump call with raffensperger in georgia. >> that call was january 2nd, 2021. a few days before january 6th. mark meadows is the one who introduces the parties on the call. so you say you argue -- if you're trying to argue that mark meadows is part of a fraud, he is joking how there's no fraud yet here he is helping the president brow beat people to find fraud. >> when the target letter came last week to trump, many people thought hours if not days before we know if there's an indictment here. >> yep. >> and it's been a week. >> yeah. so i think he got the target letter on sunday. now nine days later. there's no set rule of you must indictment within x number of days of t

i think that meadows knows more than almost anyone. now, we don't know exactly what meadows said.on't know the extent of his involvement, and i think it's also important to note just because someone cooperates with an investigation doesn't mean cooperator in the way people think but i think mark meadows is the person he's pose concerned about. >> they don't seem to have a good indication of what mark meadows said. it seems to have been pretty quiet for most of them. >> there is a lot of guessing going on and a lot of suspicion about meadows for some time now. it's been months and months and months. i expect that's going to continue as we move forward. it's going to become clear, a lot of this, kaitlan, who talked and it'll be clearer who talked. we know he has this 84-person witness list in the documents case. if he is charged in this case, which is not a definite, by the way, it's not a done deal but it is likely with a target letter. if he is charged by jack smith in something in connection with january 6th, it will eventually become apparent to him who among his aides and in hi

glenn, then there's mark meadows, trump's former chief of staff.ed over texts, emails, possibly other evidence. he fought it but ultimately testified to the grand jury. nbc news caught up with him yesterday. take a listen. >> reporter: have you testified before the grand jury? >> you know, i don't talk about anything january 6th related. >> reporter: do you think it's appropriate, the investigation? >> now i want you to hear what former federal prosecutor and 2024 candidate chris christie said about that. >> i will say watching that video, that looks to me like somebody who is cooperating with the federal government. mark meadows looks like a federal witness under a cooperation agreement. my guess is that's what we'll find out he is. >> glenn, do you agree? >> i don't always agree with chris christie. i agree with his assessment there. mark meadows looks like, sounds like and is behaving like a cooperating witness. when is the last time we saw mark meadows defend donald trump? a long time ago. any time prosecutors develop a cooperating witness we d

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alpine meadows is one of the few places in the country where you can still . >> reporter: just because left have stopped running here at alpine meadows for the afternoon does not mean they are done for the year. as a matter of fact, you will be writing these to the top of the mountain all the way through the fourth of july weekend. the lifts are rolling to the holiday weekend. >> we are here in summer. skiing. it is absolutely fabulous. the crowd has been pretty stoked about it. >> reporter: it is music to the ears of those who do not want winter to end. >> reporter: from andy hayes -- >> you have to keep going every day. raddness does not take a day off. >> we are here to send all the people on the safe routes down the mountain. just trying to keep everyone safe out here. >> reporter: everyone is all smiles here at alpine meadows. >> you have got to spend your money on the stuff that makes you happy. if you can squeeze it in in june or july, you can always make more. >> reporter: dan came out all the way from ohio and is getting the best of both worlds. >> everyone goes to the beach i

>> well, mark meadows has a fascinating character.w, high of a rich source of material and i mean, you know, a lot of the people we spoke to in the january six committee, they basically said that mark meadows was kind of like a mere or a parrot of whatever they were saying. if they said this is awful we have got to stop it he would agree with them and not a long and so on. but if it were trump and other people on the inside of the conspiracy, he seemed to go along for the ride. it would be fascinating on what he was actually doing. but i'm with you that if you were actually to recount what took place, it would be extremely revealing as to trump's factual movements and the directions and the cause that he was making on january 6th and january five. >> congressman jamie raskin, thank you for your work over years to bring all of these issues and the fight for democracy to light for the public. appreciate you being here with me tonight. still to come, he is already facing two criminal indictments with two more possible before the end of t

if you can't clement when his along with mark meadows, he won't be able to claim it for a meeting that involves like, 18 people, including patrick byrne and sidney powell. >> right. let me ask, you because you talked about state of mind, it seems like when you put all of those pieces together, we are getting the report about what the special counsel is doing, they seem to be making a very concerted effort to get at trump's state of mind and the fact that he knew the claims that he was making or fraudulent. whether it is the ads that the super pack was taking out, and the low level copywriters who knew the stuff is fake, whether it is the conversations he had with state officials, suggesting that they throw effectively the election for him, or whether it is its meeting in the white house, they seem to be getting at the same bone and all of that. is that right? they want to show trump knew he was lying. >> you have to show intent that he committed a crime. that meeting happened on december 18th. so in mid december you also had cassidy hutchinson who said that around that same time in mid

. >> it is interesting, the unknowns and it may be more clear the end of the week, but mark meadows,t is his role going to be in this? has he flipped? has he made some -- >> yes. >> -- sort of a -- you believe he has? >> yes. he's flipped because, first of all, he's become the invisible man. you know, obviously, he has his own troubles, his own struggles, but i think he's the one that they should be the most worried about. what is trump's state of mind? when you talk of those things, it'll go in front of a jury, this guy had bad intent. he knew he had lost and continued to do this. i think it'll be one of the worst things for him. >> echoing van, i think mark meadows was a more important witness than the vice president himself. he was there for the internal machinations around, how are we going to challenge this? what are the lines we could pull? he was core. >> the testimony of cassidy hutchinson on that day about mark meadows, sort of sitting in his office, doom scrolling the text messages, he seemed shellshocked from her testimony. >> he certainly was. i shared this before and wit

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