there can be obsession, meantal attacks, and then demonic possession itself. so infestation, vexation, and obsession would be the lesser degrees of demonic activity. >> when you became an exor cyst in 2005. you were the 12th in the united states, and now there are more than 50. reports are that there has been acceleration, because there has been a lot of requests for them. increase? >> i think the increase is people say it's a greater sense of evil in the world. i say that i believe that the increases are because people are more fascinated with evil, they are tabling with things. they can open up an entry point to evil. the church recognises if it doesn't address the issue people will turn elsewhere for the answers that they are looking for. excorsisms should be rooted in pastoral care and faith. it needs to take place within the confines of a church. >> a reason mentioned for the increase is what you said, there has been a rise in satanism and black magic and the occult arts. how - what have you seen? what is - have you seen extreme cases where you are convin

our family's experience with the meantal health experience and the care my son did or did not receive is a clear demonstration of the problems we as a society have in dealing with the issue. neither his mother nor i wanted to accept the fact that our brilliant, beautiful, precious son was sick. in 2010 after we divorced, gus was out of school, unemployed and living with his or mother. she was concerned about his moodiness and his fixation on a knife he was building in the shed or he was making in the shed. i talked him into letting me hold the knife for him, and it's still under my truck seat. he went to the indiana dunes national park and worked there for a few months, but he returned home. we still don't know what happened out there. sometime that gall, gus' mom went to the local csb and arranged for him to enter a crisis intervention center near charlottesville. he stayed there for a week or two. during one of my visits, he spoke for the first time about going on disability. i just couldn't believe my son, gus deeds, was talking this way. i didn't understand. he was hi child, but h