>> mechanicically, i do have -- i have a couple of comments. but if we have questions on the item -- >> go. >> any public comment on 13? ok. hearing and seeing none -- >> just a comment. i had asked staff on the existing program what the performance was in terms of, again, the unit cost, effectiveness of the money that we've spent which is not the total project cost, and they responded to that. and i would encourage to share that with the commission as a whole. one -- a key -- or a typical part of that is for a residential, the cost per kilo watt hours, it's 25 cent per kilo watt hour. nice leverage on there. we are basically saying that by putting a cent of ourselves we are getting them to put in 17 cents. what's odd is that we're spending money on the ben flit basically go to somebody -- benefit will basically go to somebody else. we're planning for a resource that we can't control entirely. and that's not appropriate to our charter. but it makes it messier and harder to think about it. and it's one area where i think if we do get into the c.

where there are the ability to substitute capital for labor, that is mechanicization, which happen ithe tomato industry, we ended up with fewer jobs in california particularly and the tomato industry, but they were higher-paying jobs, they were better-quality jobs, there was much more productivity and output. and this is a much more complicated subject than i can answer in 30 seconds. but the tth is that there are plenty of people who would, if the wages naturally were to rise because of the tighter labor market, might be attracted to different sectors. maybe not as stoop labor but for other mechanized jobs in the agriculture sector. >> reverend staver? >> thank you. i think the idea that if you just simply -- this is not -- that this is going to adversely affect the economy is an oversight, because anybody who's lived in florida or texas or some of these other agricultural states -- and i was raised in florida -- knows that there's a lot of vegetables and flowers and agriculture that's grown there, and a lot of these individuals are illegal. they're undocumented workers. if you all of

where there are the ability to substitute capital for labor, that is mechanicization, which happenedtomato industry, we ended up with fewer jobs in california particularly and the tomato industry, but they were higher-paying jobs, they were better-quality jobs, there was much more productivity and output. and this is a much more complicated subject than i can answer in 30 seconds. but the truth is that there are plenty of people who would, if the wages naturally were to rise because of the tighter labor market, might be attracted to different sectors. maybe not as stoop labor but for other mechanized jobs in the agriculture sector. >> reverend staver? >> thank you. i think the idea that if you just simply -- this is not -- that this is going to adversely affect the economy is an oversight, because anybody who's lived in florida or texas or some of these other agricultural states -- and i was raised in florida -- knows that there's a lot of vegetables and flowers and agriculture that's grown there, and a lot of these individuals are illegal. they're undocumented workers. if you all of

where there are the ability to substitute capital for labor, that is mechanicization, which happened in the tomato industry, we eed up with fewer jobs in california particularly and the tomato industry, but they were higher-paying jobs, they were better-quality jobs, there was much more productivity and output. and this is a much more complicated subject than i c answer in 30 seconds. but the truth is that there are plenty of people who would, if the wages naturally were to rise because of the tighter labor market, might be attracted to different sectors. maybe not as stoop labor but for other mechanized jobs in the agriculture sectr. >> reverend staver? >> thank you. i think the idea that if you just simply -- this is not -- that this is going to adversely affect the economy is an oversight, because anybody who's lived in florida or texas or some of these other agricultural states -- and i was raised in florida -- knows that there's a lot of vegetables and flowers and agriculture that's grown there, and a lot of these individuals are illegal. they're undocumented workers. if you all