al mackey from mechanicsburg, pennsylvania. where do you stand on the accuracy of lehman's claim that lincoln had come back from giving the speech and sat down next to him and said, lehman, that speech won't scowl. >> the won't scowl story first emerges in the late 1870s. and it was much discussed at the time. and people like david wills and james speed, in fact, they said, no, lincoln did not feel that way. i, in the -- in the book i argue that lincoln probably, as he did, often spoke deprecatingly of his words in some ways. he talk ed about them short, short, short, that kind of thing, the few remarks i gave, those kinds of things came to him easily. he was not one to puff up his achievements or accomplishments. so when you talk to him about his speech, you could easily say, yes, these few words or something of this sort. and people might have heard him saying these aren't -- not so great, i'm not that -- but what he said to james speed about the compliment that everett gave him and later on, other indications that i give in