my brother worked for him and my brother has and medallion now. thank you very much. >> when did your brother receive his medallion? >> 2008. >> did he have any issues? >> know. >> so he was able to produce -- >> yes. my brother work for him part- time at that time. >> when your brother got the medallion, but he was able to -- that came from yellow. >> [inaudible] >> his color scheme was not american. >> he presented all of the bills with the companies that he worked for. they have a lot of problems with drivers. there are legal issues with the drivers or something like this. they don't have an inefficient system to keep these records. >> thank you. >> any other public comment? i have been working for four years. i have been here the last two hearings. i was here following everything. american companies don't have everything. >> thank you. >> good evening. i am from ethiopia. the reason that i came here today is because -- some commissioners -- i have known him for a long time. i can say this is my home. both of them expressed yellow cab and the o

, who is to say that they would place the medallion with that company? >> generally when they file the application, they will put down which company they will take a medallion to. we will get things such as a person jean -- purchasing a vehicle. i do believe that he wrote to the american cab company. >> you talk about incentives or the motives to produce records. was that submitted by the original hearing officer. they had gone to -- and they refused the request. that would seem to question whether or not this motive or incentive. >> they might have been arguing with each other. regardless, it is my understanding that these are never on the driver roster. >> let's assume that it is possible someone could lose, have stolen, lose in a fire, their bills. it would seem that even though the tax filings are not positive, this is -- of the fact that he drove. >> there was a fire with one of the companies where they lost the bills for a particular year. this was consistent. the fire was well-documented. the reports were there and the company even stated, we had

we're going to deny you a medallion. >> the result can be harsh but the short answer is yes. the standard is something like four out of five years. there might be a year where things are tough. some sword given this year based -- some are given this year based upon the process. if he did not drive at all last year drove the previous four, he could obtain a medallion. >> thank you. >> in the color schemes demands inspection within 24 hours. why would you stole -- do not want someone? -- stone wall someone. corruption is not unknown in the taxi industry. >> why would someone manipulate the medallions. i wanted to research quickly because i have not heard anything in the same curve you and the proposition. this led me inexorably to the conclusion that i have been telling you. i think that i'm the only one that has raised this and this is why. this was not put into effect in 2005. the takeover and then make their own rules. if you do, you would see that there was never a driving requirement. how does this really work? they have followed their role -- will. you cannot look at the

this is regarding a denial of application for medallion permits. he has already been twice denied an application for medallion permits. the number one issue is that he has not fulfilled full time driving requirements even as it stood when his application cannot in 2008. he has never submitted the requisite number of waybills. he submitted 54 for 2005, none for 2006, but later submitted 3 for 2006. there is no dispute that he did not drive because he was out of the country. in 2008, it was determined that he substantially qualified for the year 2008 with the driving a requirement. please keep in mind at the time of the application, the rules were slightly different and he only needed to complete three out of four years. the current rule is four out of five. with the full time driving requirements, three out of four years. he doesn't seem to dispute the lack of documentation. he does claim that he is a driver and people know him as a driver. the years in dispute are 2005 and 2006. there has never been documentation to substantiate that. it is importa

then depending on the vagaries on the ebb and flow of applications for medallions, you can wait 10-15 years. >> lynde did you apply? >> 1994. >> this is a two-step process. when he was away, we're talking about two different steps. >> i have a question, we heard from one of the speakers that your client least in a yellow cab. when was that? >> i don't know anything about that. >> i cannot hear you. but >> you will have to get closer to the microphone. >> did you ever keep your bills or ask yellow cab? >> no. i always kept -- >> thank you. >> commissioners, the matter is yours. >> when putting together your tax returns, the latest date was in 2009 so you retroactively filled out those tax returns, correct? the returns that are in the exhibit of your briefing, you dated them. you filled the amount in 2009 for the years 2005 and 2006. >> can you take a look in your exhibit? >> they were assigned in 2009. >> which one is 5 and which won a six? -- which one is six. >> the trouble i was having is the same that -- wanted 2006 compared to 2009, this was separate. in april, 2007, they were out

omar put his name on the waiting list for a medallion in 1996. his name came up with in the last year or the respondent denied the application for two reasons. he was 2 points shy of the examination which was not required to pass. there is no rule that they pass the examination, only that they take it. to the issue of being locating places within san francisco, now that there's gps, there is no reason to know exactly where every place in san francisco. many of the responses that were marked as incorrect or subjective and confusing questions, especially in light of the fact that his first language is not english. i was confused to many of the questions and i have a law degree. also one of the question was when the driver should produce a safety check. he marked his second answer which it is important, when i hear a noise while driving. as a passenger, i hope that he would perform a safety check. both answers are correct. if they go into the questions. the hearing officer consider that some of the bills were fraudulent. the decision was based on an

if he could come up with waybills that show that, he would absolutely qualify for a medallion. that is what we are trying to do. so the issue is to continue, and how far out in order to hopefully produce this information. it seems as though they have the power to tell him to produce the documents. has there been a motion? i guess the motion would be -- do you want to make the motion here? the motion would be to determine a reasonable date to continue this to such a date so as to have that information and then make a termination after we have that determination for whether or not we then want to request this individual be placed on the list for further consideration. so the motion is -- would you approach and give us an indication how long? >> i would like to ask -- i have not discussed this. commissioner garcia: i think you can have more than 30 if you want it. but you also have to make some quick determination. are we allowed to leave that open to wear if we end up doing this we can retroactively decide

they would get their medallion. in four years, only nine bills. the other guy, only 8 bills. the department is four years. within the consistency, i can understand. there's nothing that we can do about it. there is not consistent work. he works so hard. i should not be here today if he is not really a person who never worked or a person who is not working that much. i cannot be in front of you. he is a good driver. >> thank you. >> i have a question. when did this lack of consistency occur? >> approximately the guy's got the time that you wanted the dates. -- approximately the time that you got the dates. there was a time when the hearings officer, he took three years and i think 6, 7, eat. then they took seven bills. those would be counted as one full year. mr. omar had two bills. >> i heard that. >> he also indicated that certain schemes throw with their bills quickly. is that the same with your company? >> no. he for it himself to me directly and i give you this many bills. i am not expecting him to lie in front of you or anyone. there is no way that i can tell. >> thank-y

. >> [inaudible] >> we heard from the speakers problem getting the medallion. we have heard the problem is a problem with american cap. we were curious about why for someone else it was easier. that is all. >> how long it continues. >> this would be a couple of weeks, i don't now 2008 into 2009 -- we are talking about the whole year of 2010. if there are still no waybills, and you are not making copies even after these difficulties -- >> if i could respond to that comment? the rules require him to submit his waybills. >> we are thinking about a continuance. >> i apologize. i did not understand what the requirement was. commissioner fung: we would want mta involved in the verification. vice president goh: i am sorry. i did not follow. >> you are asking mta would have an opportunity to submit a long response? commissioner fung: they could do the verification they do on everything else. commissioner garcia: we're going to continue this and hope that either sfmta and the appellant -- more week to request or to find that we want this individual placed a new on the l

when people are up for a permit, and medallion, are you seeing people having difficulty meeting the driving requirement. obviously, once they come to us -- >> that is the primary issue. >> what is the percentage of people who get on this list and cannot meet the requirements? >> i would say 1/3, 50%. we will send out 20 of the letters that only 10 will qualify. a lot of it is a function of that has been a long time. sometimes we stop driving and i am close to the top. they come back to the company and, i did not drive that much but i will start driving right now. that is what we see, people have been waiting and then they realize that they're close but they are light in the first few years and they are heavy in the last few years. we want to take this seriously. many did not take this requirement until they realize that they have to do this to get a permit. >> can you talk about the gps. >> there's nothing about using gps. it is true that many of the cars are beginning to get more of the gps data in fault. i have seen people who have it on their smart phones. we have the requirement that yo

. >> they had a lot of medallions and reliefs. >> the working class would go out to go swimming in the ocean. the wealthy would stay downtown like in the marines memorial or the elk and they would have heated saltwater. people wanted to swim in salt water. >> how did the water get there? >> there was a pipe that allowed it to flow all the way down. that pipe rusted out. people went swimming in the saltwater pools and they had different temperatures. >> you could have a cold swim or a warm swim. >> how did they heat this? >> he had a huge boiler. they're still trying to figure out exactly how he sucked in the sea water. he had a pumping system. >> didn't sutro make his initial fortune by being the engineer who figured out how to ventilate the mines at virginia city? >> that is the way he would phrase it. >> he drained them for water, not for air. >> he got backers for the tunnel. he said, we need this tunnel for safety, for air, for ventilation. he got this tunnel built and he got people to back it. just before it opened, it was proved to be not real helpful. he got out with his money.

had a complete record and knew that sometime in 2011 or thereafter his name would come up on the medallion list. does it look as though -- it does not have to be a final determination -- he would qualify? >> right, but i was asking something a little bit different. commissioner fung: driving records for 2009 and 2010. commissioner garcia: that has been stipulated to by the taxi commission. >vice president goh: yellow cab was 2004. it is off the table. commissioner garcia: have been stuck with february 9, or is that too soon? >> can go to march 9? -- can we go to march 9? >> i want to make sure the parties and of the deadlines they have. if we are going to move this to march 9, the citadel would be due the thursday prior -- the submittal would be due the thursday prior. >> i apologize for interrupting, but i can tell you right now that assuming he drives 2009 and 2010, that is still only three years. commissioner garcia: we do not want them to come up prior to his having gotten -- >> ok. commissioner fung: february 9 for him. for mr. murray to get the information. >> i will say february 10,

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