medallions. under a lease. >> very good. >> thank you. >> next speaker. >> good afternoon. here i come again, this has been since 2007s we have been screaming for taxi cabs at my company and full service companies. we have not basis point able to address our demand for over five years now, if not longer. we are maximum capacity with our system. we're putting up to 82 people a day in our taxi cabs and far exceeds the national average. creating the ability to provide the staff -- the metrics that provide the staff with the paratransit, provides a reliable cab service chart. if you had item 7 on your chart that was sent to you, would tell you the districts by break buon of inadequate cab service. have you gotten a chance to look at that? we forwarded it to you. you can see the numbers are pretty crazy and these passengers that are calling two and three cab companies at one time are in competition with the smartphone apps or charging people credit card guarantees for pick up and it's causing extensiv

medallions. you have to look at the big picture and furthermore it's about the numbers. and the numbers show that with 200 medallions the gross revenue for 12 month is about $14.5 million. the net after expenses and insurance will be about $11.5 million that. is what we're talking about here. $11.5 million. >> thank you, sir. next speaker. >> mark gruberg. [speaker [ reading speakers' names ]. >> good afternoon, mark gruberg with uni[kwrao-euts/]ed taxi workers. this is completely premature. you have commissed a study, you are spending our money on a study and you are jumping the gun by pre-supposing something that none of us have seen and the director has alluded to that study. if it's a public study, we deserve to see it brand new go ahead and do anything based on that study. now we have reference to a private study that is being done, which none of us have seen. and i'm sure it's a self-serving document on the part of these cab companies and we deserve to see that as well. you can't go ahead w

my medallion number is 778. i was one of the first hundred to receive a medallion and was thankful to do it. so i have some feelings for the guys that are on this list because that is how i got mine. i want to thank you all for taking on this big issue here. my concern is that it is a good start, but the problem that i see with this is at these prices, now that i'm getting to the age where i want to get out of the industry is -- how long will this money last me after i paid taxes and everything else? from my point of view, it will not last too long. after we get rid of all the guys that are sick or disabled, you are going to have a bunch of old guys driving these cabs are around that will not want to surrender them because there will not be enough money to make it through the last 10 years of their lives, and this is not an old man's industry. now that youfá have the waiting list -- up to 17 years -- you've got another old man coming to replace the old man. you have a really big problem on your hands. you are go

medallions.his would not affect people down the road who will sell medallions or people who have already bought medallions. this is this transition where people would turn in medallions. there is no obligation for them to do so. the proposal has it with them getting $150,000 and the mta getting $150,000. i propose we amend it to the medallion holder getting two- thirds of the sale price subject to a cap of $200,000. we know that the $200,000 figure has proven a valuable incentive for people to do this under the pilot program and brings the number in line with the pilot program. if we do that with the cap it will stay. the remainder of the money would go to the mta as previously proposed. >> let's get a second on that one. is there a second? >> i will second. >> the second proposal is a similar thing bringing us in line with the pilot project. that is the back end transfer fee. this is when someone sells it. separate from the initial transition. this is one the medallion is being sold down the lin

by the way, what is this temporary full-time medallion? what is a temporary full-time medallion? i never heard of anything in my whole life. it's absurd. it's biased. it's staff-related and an in-house report. that is with a we had last time. excuse me. so we had last time. when malcolm was in '07, remember? your first and only pc & n hearing. >> thank you, next speaker. >> carleau. >> thank you. i have been a leased driver in this town since 1995. my question to mta, are you trying to kill off the leased driver? are you trying to starve us out of existence? there is not enough time to study what you released and now you are talking about 200 around the clock cabs possibly. it doesn't make any sense. at the same time you are doing this, you are allowing sleazy, shady fake cab companies to proliferate on the streets while as my colleagues have said are driving for hours. i just don't see how we can continue like this and i'm speaking for myself, but it seems to me the mta is pushing the drivers to strike. you are pushing us to strike. thank you. >> thank you, sir. next speaker, pl

i have had mine medallions since 1996. -- i have had my medallion since 1996.s a lot of time and effort that went into this, and we agreed to what some would say a rather users speak -- user is -- usurous fee. we agreed to it because it seemed like the city needed the money, and we needed the program for an exit strategy. our a cardsÑi are up to $82 a year. they were $18 and i started. but the city needs the money. it seems reasonable. we are willing to pay. we are willing to pay the 15%. xdnow, you want another $50,000 out of my pocket when it comes time to sell my medallion. at the same time, you want to eliminate other drivers who have been in the industry for 20 years or more. the original idea was 1 for 1 -- the city would sell one and offer one to the waiting list. it seemed reasonable. the city needed the money. the city received the money. now, $50,000 more and the elimination of the waiting list -- at what point do we get a break? you have really got to think about this. this is serious business. we are not talking about a couple of people. we are talk

medallions. you know there is an ebb and flow in the business. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker? >> jim gill [kwr-eups/]ie, gillespie. phillipward. >> jim gillespie with yellow cab. i'm here to support the staff report and for about reason. there is a large unmet demand as all of you know for taxi cabs. even though yellow cab, luxor cab and desoto cab service 90% of all the calls that come in for taxi service, we also pick up 95% of the paratransit. there is another 30% of calls that come in that are never answered. and people finally hang up, because they can't get through. and it all gets back to this shortage of taxis and this demand. the gas and gate model we support for several reasons. obviously we have better control. so in turn provide better service and it will provide more jobs. we have to -- for every cab put on the streets, you have got to put at least four drivers into service to service that cab. so it's going to be a good opportunity for more people to work. while at the same

i'm on the list for medallions. so if you put extra cabs for the people on the list, make it limited and controlled for the uber. the guy is talking [pwho-elt/]s hotels is saying there is not enough cabs. what about waiting in front of hotels for two hours and get nothing? limousines take the whole fare, so we waste time. it's not about short cabs of it's about the system, the system and how they manage their business. thank you very much. if you go to a restaurant you wait an hour for a table. so you don't mind waiting 10-15 minutes for a cab friday night. thank you very much. >> thank you, sir. >> david hathaway, brian rosen, last speaker barry corngold. >> good afternoon, mr. hathaway. >> good afternoon. i have been driving a cab for20 years and been on the list for 16 years and currently no. 17 on the medallion waiting list. i kind of look at this along with the medallion proposal thing, giving the medallions directly to the companies. and i feel like it's a time when we're under tremendous financial pressure fr

it should be the medallion holder, which is you. you are the medallion holder, not the company. you are leasing it to somebody else to run the medallion. also, in the $3 million, $4 million you will get per year, there is nothing included about how many employees you will add to monitor the program. you have to make sure you have a couple of employees to mount vernon monitor the program. also you need to alert the public about how many medallions are going where. it's not very well explained in and i think at the end of the 3-year period these drivers could lose their jobs. who is going to play for the unemployment insurance? the concern is that it would be better to actually put out 40 to 50 new medallions. you know there is an ebb and flow in the business. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker? >> jim gill [kwr-eups/]ie, gillespie. phillipward. >> jim gillespie with yellow cab. i'm here to support the staff report and for about reason. there is a large unmet demand as all of you know for taxi cabs. even though yellow cab, luxor cab and desoto cab service 90% of all the calls t

earn the medallion not to buy one. you ignore us. then you started the medallion partner program and ignored is again. we will never sign up for it. now you're releasing the medallions directly to the cab companies? don't do this. who is serving the public? [indiscernible] people call three companies, and take the first that arrives. we lose time and money. who is ready for people to [indiscernible] it is the cab driver. why are you avoiding those [indiscernible] can i have a few seconds? why are you giving those medallions to the companies and ignoring the cabdrivers who are doing the work? >> next speaker. [indiscernible] >> good afternoon david -- this is muni's 100th anniversary. i wonder what is upcoming for the next of the year. i spoke earlier this meetings that the director held in relation to the budget. anchors that we do that not just related to the budget; it would be good to do this again so it is not an adversarial, budget driven exercise. next the bart + fare instrument, i understand there is a notion to

, the transfer of those medallions.is -- is a big concern ended -- a lot of us have been thinking about that a lot. can i have someone explain to me what happens with the drivers fund? i understand with the first transfer of thexd medallion what percent goes to the driver's fund. what happens going forward? what is the future of the drivers fund? >> with the three-transfers there is 5% continues to go to the driver's fund in terms of how the fund would be used. that is something that between the mta and industry has not been determined. there was an understanding that through these various processes, people or discussing today that there would be some -- we would arrive at some consensus on how the funds would be used. that has not happened today. the funds are accumulating. >> does the fund continued to accumulate after this first round of medallion transfers? >> every retrainnsfer. [unintelligible] >> 5% would go into the fund. >> what other -- one other i had questions on. what happens with the folks on the list is s

a good example of that, there was a unanimous vote that had a new medallion holder buying a medallion for $250,000 should not pay a 20% fee, that was appropriate for someone who got a medallion under prop k and guess what happened? the plan that you put out here said we're going to charge a 30% fee. yes, you lowered it down to 30%, but i want to tell you that the tami council voted unanimously it was not appropriate for someone buying a medallion for several thousands of dollars. lastly, i want to talk about the serious issue of these other on-demand services that are now proliferating in the city. we must do something about it. there is going to be crimes and there is going to be assaults when we don't know who is picking up the public. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> peter witt. >> ed haley. mark gruburg. >> i'm sorry, mr. healy is here. >> i'm beginning to sound like peter witt. i started out as a -- i started out as an inter center person, negotiating in the original pilot plan. i'm a very moderate and practical individual and the city did a great thing a couple of years

earn the medallion not to buy one. you ignore us. then you started the medallion partner program and ignored is again. we will never sign up for it. now you're releasing the medallions directly to the cab companies? don't do this. who is serving the public? [indiscernible] people call three companies, and take the first that arrives. we lose time and money. who is ready for people to [indiscernible] it is the cab driver. why are you avoiding those [indiscernible] can i have a few seconds? why are you giving those medallions to the companies and ignoring the cabdrivers who are doing th

i cannot believe that the medallion list would be done away with.ve been waiting and been doing my time and i cannot believe intelligent people would rob other intelligent people of an opportunity that they have been waiting for, that i have signed up for, that i've been driving in this city and serving in the city. please, do the right thing and keep those medallions that are coming out for the drivers that deserve them we have been working. we have been putting in our time. you have no right to take that from us. that is what we signed on the dotted line for. that is what the contracts are for. if the contract is not up held, some action will come from it. the people on the list deserve the cab's before thea"s corporae companies, before the big companies. we, the little people who you represent, i you should be representing us faithfully. thank you. [applause] >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> keith dennis. >> good afternoon, mr. dennis. >> god bless you, commissioners. god bless the city and county of san francisco. my name is keith dennis.

sales program that was going to help the driver, who won't have a medallion, will never have a medallion in his life. or maybe will spend 20 years in the industry before ever getting a medallion. so please, please, please, please revisit this. i don't know what else to say about that. on these alternate car services, they are providing taxi service. but stp if something happens in that cab and is lift going to solve their problem? no, who do they turn to? where do they go? these are unregulated vehicles. have to do something about this. put them off the street. [ reading speakers' names ]. >> i second everything that mark gruberg just said, by as far as large-capacity vehicles going the only hybrid six-passenger van commonly available is the toyota sienna, which is prohibitive getting new. one thing has been the situation of the traffic at 3rd and market. it impacts all the way up 3rd street, and all the way -- i'm talking about inbound market and then northbound 3rd. can i get the screen? i'm sorry that my ipad has very, very small picture. info services, can you get the projector? what

earn the medallion not to buy one. you ignore us. then you started the medallion partner program and ignored is again. we will never sign up for it. now you're releasing the medallions directly to the cab companies? don't do thi

this is an appeal of revocation on may 18, 2012 of a taxi medallion number 1094, it is on for hearing today and we will start with the appellant. you have 7 minutes. >> good evening, honorable commissioners, i am heidi, attorney for michail kipnis, mr. kipnis has worked in the taxi industry in san francisco for more than 25 years. taxi permit holders are required to drive a minimum of 800 hours or 156 four hour shifts per year, since obtaining his medallion in 1999, mr. kipnis has satisfied that requirement by driving 10 hour shifts currently on the more lucrative friday and saturday nights, i have a declaration from his regular driver that attests to his schedule and i provided that to the department as well. this means that mr. kipnis drives at least 80 shifts per year to satisfy 800 hours, although mta originally claimed that mr. kipnis had not satisfied his driving requirement for three years, the officer ruled he had fallen short for one year, 2009, the hearing officer declined to accept 74 out of 107 weigh bills that he submitted and because he failed to drive the full 107 hours

i am wondering about these medallions that now will go to the companies. i personally have been working at luxor cab and have no problems with luxor cab and think it's the best company to work for as a leased driver like myself. they have done me right. and i am happy to see them have an opportunity to get some of these medallions as well. but i'm here today to talk about the driver. in some of the minutes that were read just now, it sounds like the companis and the dispatch systems are being talked about as if they are the ones picking the people up and they are not. the dispatch service doesn't pick up people. the cab driver picks up people. last week i picked up a psychotic patient from the hospital who freaked out when i wouldn't let her smoke in the taxi. i'm lucky i worked as a psych tech in a houston hospital and i have dealt with that. >> thank you >> is that my time? >> yes, it is. >> i just wanted you to see a real cab driver and i represent hundreds of others. thank you so much. tim santos. john bisteros. >> good afternoon, mr. is on thas. >> hi

a medallion is essentially a permit that can take different forms. i think i consider them to be interchangeably in this regard, but in terms of definition within the transportation code, i believe what we are presenting here, recommending here today is consistent with that definition of a "medallion." >> thank you, director heinicke? >> thank you, on this issue of the list, i agree with the comments, suggested that we should move to address that issue at the very least the people on the list deserve certainty, so they know whether they should take advantage of purchasing a medallion or wait for a free one or discount one or financial-assisted one or whatever we're going to do. as i said before, certainty is the very least that is deserved here and i'm glad to hear there are plans to move with that in a meeting or two. following up on director rubke's question, as you develop the plans to determine who get these medallions, assuming this proposal is accepted here today, would there be some process for encouraging that the cab companis have the sort o

cabdrivers are told to by a medallion.if they need a job, they want to have a stable income for the family. this amendment change is ok. your office is not understanding that gate and gas and long term lease drivers, they split it up. this is iportant for our live. thank you andbw÷ make sure that they're not being over a stretch -- overcharged. this is responsible by the medallion holder. this is the right way to do because of this guy won't this medallion permits from you and he had to respond -- responsible for how much gate he charged to the driver who has to drive on the street. this is a good direction as well. thank you and this amendment changes good. thank you. chairman nolan: thank you. next speaker. >> it is appalling that a company like luxor or yellow cab is being discussed of extorting drivers for. tipping -- for tipping. drivers are not exported to tip anything. it has been a tipping business since i was 8 years old that i can remember where drivers shared with their dispatchers, their call takers about the t

part of my duties is to ensure the compliance of the full time driving requirement for the taxi medallion holders and with this capacity, i also analyze and detect fraud in the industry and gather proper evidence for disciplinary cases. as you can see from the records, i was the investigator who audited mr. kipnis' weigh bills for 2007, 08 and 09, and i bring before you regarding the discrepancies for the weigh bills for 2009, it's marked under exhibit c as you can see, in my first visit to the company back in june, 2010, i only found 33 weigh bills, it was after the fact, after the audit was conducted, 79 additional other weigh bills were turned in, i found numerous discrepancies, a lot of them had to do with duplicate ways, a lot of overlapping mileage in the sequence of the weigh bills, from the exhibit, there was at least 23 discrepancies found. i'm not going to go too much into details, perhaps you can take a look at them. in addition to just the numerous discrepancies, i would also like to show you some other weigh bills that i found that were somewhat problematic. if you look at th

kipnis has been working in the industry for 28 years and about half of that time as a medallion holder. so, in closing, you know, in the worst case scenario and for lack of additional evidence to support sfmta's claims, mr. kipnis should be facing disciplinary charges for sloppy bookkeeping and even if the specifically affected weigh bills were flagged, excluded, the 19 duplicates plus 8 weigh bills with long numbers and the mileage recorded, he would still be left with 80 weigh bills which is the exact number he needs to meet his full time driving requirement and he will not run the risk of [inaudible] they're under mandate to switch to electronic weigh bills by the end of this year, so we would urge this commission to extend that time in mr. kipnis' driving record so that he can get into that system and can show the mta a more definitively that he drove and not have to depend on sloppy bookkeeping or weigh bill records. >> thank you. >> i just have a question, i'm sorry, is there -- is mr. shamis here? >> yes, he is, he's here. >> my name is boris shamis. >> my question is you prepar

united taxicab workers has appeal the decision to release the medallions. the way you make your decisions is as important as what you decide. due process and fair process are essential. it has cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. the report was a joke, a conclusion on 12-year-old information suspect even at that time. uses as a comparison the city of washington, d.c. you approved full-time permits without giving a thought to part-time permits that can serve the public every bit as well. thank you. >> herbert weiner [sounds like]. >> i am ssmta, i have been waiting for my bus for 100 years. you had a logo. my own idea of a logo is a ruptured duck, over it written the inscription hell's transit. 67% delivery, 4 points off the 63% in the days of the [indiscernible] -- this is very bad. throughout the years people could not -- and before any implementation of the transit effectiveness, you have to focus on keeping your present schedule. that is what you should be focused on. transit effectiveness project should be doing that. even with the service cuts some l

everybody on the list gets a medallion -- i mean the medallions don't get sold to anybody who is not on the list and the people at the top of the list, it's not worth it for them to buy it most of the time because they are too old. they are been doing this for 20, 30 years already. so you need to to explore this a little further. and then as i said before, barry toronto shared some of the emails with me, that he obtained through the public records act. and i was appalled at the disrespect given to the cab drivers and all the meetings that we have been going to through the years. it did consider the needs of public and the agency, it gave $10 million a year to the agency. and what is wrong with appeasing -- you are talking as if we are the enemy. what is wrong with listening tot cab drivers, who have been addressing these concerns? >> thank you. >> peter witt. last speaker. >> okay. >> thank you for waiting. if your camera could get me center, i would like to see that. this is the data that has been collected over the years and i submitted to the taxi commission and taut for the last