. >> host: and the others, sandeno salvador, a person meddlesome mertz my career degree deal. tupak's tomorrow. i don't know if i have left anybody out but these are the great revolutionaries then you write about in at least several places in "mirrors." >> guest: the main one was a woman. instead of speaking about her,-- >> host: you quote her. it is to 77. >> guest: this is a book without quotations, but this was an exception, because i have 02 roza the certitude that another world as possible, and she was the profit. we don't have to read this petition, but mainly she was the profit of the great tragedy of the 20 a century, because the great tragedy of the 20th-century was the divorce between justice and freedom. half of the world sacrificed justice and the name of freedom, and the other half of the world sacrificed freedom in the name of justice. and rosa wanted as socialist revolution. >> host: so this called democratic socialism. >> guest: yes, guess but not in the way some people think about democratic socialists and making up of capitalism-- >> host: with make up, right