social security, medicare, and medicaid.d it's important to remember goes to help the health care needs of the poorest americans. it helps people stay in nursing homes. it helps people who are most vulnerable adults who have no health care, sometimes children's programs. it is a vitally important program for the poorest americans. and without it, they have nothing. nothing at all. and so i -- are these the people who senator hatch thinks need to buck up and do more? are these the people he thinks are not doing their fair share? >> finally, since it's going to come down to a squeaker, i think, in the house, if and when there's a deal that's struck, it seems if you do the math, the progressive caucus is going to have genuine leverage here. and the reason is that they are going to need democratic votes to get this passed. will you pledge that you and your colleagues will not vote for a package that includes cuts to medicare, social security, and/or medicaid? >> yes. full stop. >> great. excellent. well, we got that on record. t

is medicaid. about a third of all kids in hospitals get some sort of medicaid assistance. after max and his family left his office, we caught a few minutes with the other max, democratic senator max baucus. >> there probably will be some cuts and probably should be some cuts until we get our deficits under control. we're not going to cut kids, whether it's a health insurance program under medicaid, we're just not going to cut kids. >> that's good to hear. the budget fight is unfolding but it's clear, some of the proposals being discussed could result in major cuts to medicaid which, again, helps many children as well as people with low income. we spent time with manerva love, a 5-year-old girl whose family relies on medicaid for her care. her family calls her mimi. she has a smile that lights up a room. >> i had, manerva, how are you. >> like it did this week on capitol hill. as a young baby she developed hydrocephalus, her skull filled with fluid and that blocked her brain's development. >> it's like it's so much to take in. it was scary because it's like you're telling m

>> max is here to save the medicaid funding for children. 30 million children are on medicaid. also to get the message out to save the funding for children's hospital graduate training program so we are training pediatricians in children hospital facilities. children's hospitals are 1% of the hospitals, but train 40% of the pediatricians and specialists. that was the main mission for the last two and a half days. >> you know, buck, we have talked about this quite a bit. i don't think a lot of people realize these programs are in jeopardy. medicaid which provides this level of care to about one-third of kids out there and training doctors as jennifer was saying. were you -- did the people seem to understand the implications of your message? >> i think they all understood what we are here to do and the message that we are delivering. we broke it out in some very clear detail even if it was confusing at one point where it was lumped into a bigger package. they all seemed very committed and they all listened. they all seemed to understand and had a clearer focus on what part of the

and it is said that people that use medicaid, people that are poor and need the use of medicaid, that 35% of them are more likely to see doctors or clinics were 40% less likely to say their health is getting worse. i mean, these are real results. so we're not talking about just throwing away money here. we're talking about actually helping people. >> al, let us be very clear. there is a study that came out of harvard a couple years ago that said 45,000 americans die each year because they don't get to a doctor when they should. if you make the kinds of massive cuts in medicaid that the republicans want to do, and throw millions of kids off of medicaid, you're talking about a lot more people dying and suffering. that's a human face. that's reality. >> now, senator, the washington post said that there was some saying that president is willing to put a change in medicaid or social security on the table. others are saying, that he's not talking about anything differently than he did with the state of the union address. do you think that th there was just a trial to see whether the republi

social safety net in america hacking a reported four hundred billion dollars out of medicare and medicaid all of these tough cuts will be in exchange for closing a few small tax loopholes for corporations millionaires and billionaires ultimately president obama's deal is heavy on spending cuts light on tax hikes so even if republicans set aside their urge to crash the economy for political and personal financial gain and agree to president obama's lopsided debt limit proposal this is really a good deal for the majority of americans are custom medicaid and medicare without tax hikes on millionaires and billionaires in general a good idea. the answer really is simply no. without a good idea at all in fact you know let's just go through it excuse me the for a long long time there was this question of is a better to be uninsured or to have medicare or medicaid wall street journal in fact in march of this year ran a headline to the effect of it's better not to be unsure of the net medicare well nobody ever tested bad because like you know with lab rats you can like give them you can say is ars

and to say that he is cutting all medicaid, he's not cutting all medicaid. he's not cutting it all together. and on top of that they are saying that -- force host: ok. thank you for your participation. there is app an article in "the new york times" about the postal service. it says "if it were not for the postal service, this would not be a major issue. mail delivery could be cut back to three days aweek within 20 years. the situations at the postal service is dire." one example of the debate in washington. this is the anniversary of the first battle of the civil war, the battle of manassas. we are spending the whole week on c-span3, history tv, and among the things we will be doing is take you to manassas battlefield. part of a full civil war weekend. a couple more minutes left for senator coburn. this is troy, new york. our republican line. caller: i am a life-long republican, and i'm shocked at the debt we got in because of the bush tax cuts. and i am a fan of president bush. i was like how the heck did this happen? now you still have my republican party

. 42% of the patients here at the clinic rely on medicaid..o. lorraine estrada says with the cuts. >> our revenue will go down, which means potentially cutting services and layoff, which is unfortunate. >> reporter: pediatrician aanal desai worries about her patients. >> we're talking about cutting costs here. e.r. visit, hospitalizations are going to increase the cost. >> reporter: california already is struggling with a budget crisis of its own and doesn't have the funds to make up for the federal cuts to medicaid. with unemployment here near 12%- - among the highest in the country-- the arroyo vista clinic and others like it don't expect to see any reduction in need. bill whitaker, cbs news, los angeles. >> pelley: another pro sport is having labor trouble. n.b.a. contract talks broke down today, and the owners are expected to lock out the players at midnight. that would put them on the sidelines along with n.f.l. players who were locked out in march. former mob boss whitey bulger was back in court today, crying poverty and asking taxpayer

and now that extra medicaid money has run out.ill whitaker reports on how that affects needy patients. >> hi. >> reporter: we met sharon brown and her 10-year-old daughter, rosa at the arroyo vista family health center, a nonprofit community clinic in los angeles where rosa came for strept throat. with a family income below the poverty line, rosa's treatment and sharon's checkup cost just $1 each. >> are you still taking the antibiotic? >> yeah. >> reporter: the rest paid by the joint state/federal low income medical program medicaid. >> i depend on it a lot because i have three children. i use it for their yearly physical, for their eyes checked. >> reporter: with the temporary infusion of federal funds to medicaid running out, california is taking a $4.8 billion hit, so like most states, california is scrambling to reduce costs, cutting services, cutting doctor's payments, raising patients' copayments, $5 for office visits, $50 for emergency rooms, $100 to $200 a day for hospital stays. you might think that's not much. >> but yo

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save money for the medicaid program. i think there are steps that can be taken and should be taken before we squeeze every penny we can out of beneficiaries in providers. i think it is important to make sure these providers will provide health care. and they won't give their reimbursements are cut time and time again. host: phone calls lining up. lee is a republican from pennsylvania. caller: whoever votes for this, why can't their names be posted? why can't there benefits be cut? they want to cut everybody else. host: voting for what? caller: it doesn't matter -- medicaid or social security. they are nothing but a bunch of thieves. host: by the way, we have special lines is set aside for senior citizens -- 737-2579. ted is calling on that line from indiana. caller: good morning. i get a report from the medicare booklet every year. the first page -- acupuncture. i am a retired doctor and i learned acupuncture from china. i see quite a few patients a day. the reason why they come to see me -- they have no insurance covera

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and it doeso while protecting social security, medicare and medicaid beneficiaries. it also safeguards programs that provide low-income young people the opportunity to go to college and to work to achieve the american dream. we must take responsible action now to avert this crisis and move to significant measures to create jobs and generate economic growth. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. mr. clyburn: thank you, madam speaker. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from california. mrdreier: madam speaker, at this time i'm happy to yield 30 seconds to the gentleman from tupelo, mississippi, mr. nunnelee. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from mississippi is recognized for 30 seconds. mr. nunnelee: thank you, madam speaker. we heard from the people on the other side, we want compromise. the american people expect solutions. and this harry reid plan offers no real solutions to the out-of-control spending problem. this harry reid plan offers no solutions to the broken washington mess that go

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so medicaid cuts will affect women. social security cuts that shouldn't be on the table because social security has nothing to do with the federal budget.y hth so, in the short run we have a r jobs crisis. sure, we have a budget deficit, but right now we have a -- got to attend to that. >> no doubt we have a jobs crisis.t if you create more jobs you create more revenue. it is the same. i can't believe that they cannot come to a deal about benefits for three-year-old. girls who are three-year-olds now, there has to be some sort of happy medium where we get our fiscal house in order and women have to get their fiscal house in order.hae in order. it's across the board.ing as americans we have to be more responsible, have to be more realistic. yea i am okay with making a deal now for something that is going to happen 30 years.o up to 67, tell me now, don't -- they keep pushing the ballown the court and need to make ane t decision because we have to live within our means. o >> part of that deal that you're willing to make, i

with all the talks with ksks and medicaid and medicare. they are going to hurt a lot, a loot -- a lot of people. even with the doctor system, they are talking more out of pocket. >> you are talking about the proposal -- the paul ryan proposal? >> yeah. >> but i think they need to talk about. >> we don't expect the house back in session until monday. they failed to pass senator reid's bill. they need 60 votes to move forward. that vote will happen in the wee hours of monday morning. that vote is called a cloture vote. let's here from maria in lansing, michigan. >> hi. if you can't believe the polls, if you can't believe the free press, if you can't believe the politicians, if you can't believe the president, if you can't believe the union bosses, i think we should stop funding. they lie. the people that call on this line and they they are republican, they are lying. >> you are calling on the republican line. >> no, james that just called. he's a big, fat liar. listen, i'm telling you. small businesses are getting killed. we are the people t

whereas america was regard to people who are sick and ill the poorest americans who depend upon medicaid i believe these are essential programs that make america a better place because the signal that we're all in this thing together in the we're not to let any one of us fall but so but so far i was i was glad to see him walking back when you know with all respect to the president how many times can you allow him to make a statement and then to walk it back to make a statement and then to change his mind it makes you start questioning whether he really hold some of these progressive some of these populist values you could say or whether he just a lot is sometimes in order to get elected and appease people no i think his record shows that he is committed to programs of social uplift light so security and medicare and medicaid but i. i think that in the in the rough tumble difficult political environment of the washington sometimes you know political expediency can weigh on you and so it's important for people who are committed to these programs to make sure that the president knows that w

medicaid, 59 to 63% opposed cutting medicaid. and voters in those four states said that they would be less likely to vote for their senator if he or she cut social security, medicare or medicaid, and they said that they would be less likely to vote for president obama if he cut the big three. now, if you believe in polls, it's a slam dunk. let's bring in adam green, co-founder of the progressive change campaign committee, which is one of the groups that commissioned this poll. if this is true, adam, and it's great to have you with us tonight. 750,000 people are in your organization. if this news is true, what does it mean? >> well, first of all, it means that millions of people, people like my grandmother and the grandmothers of the future, will be very, very hurt, especially in this tough economy. the middle class has sacrificed enough. politically, it would be absolutely devastating for democrats. two of the biggest accomplishments of the democratic party are social security and medicare. george bush was not able to put these t

the disability or this is who is on social security medicare medicaid these are the people who bit for me from these programs these are not able bodied adults who can go out there and make their own way these are people who are aged people who are children people who are sick and firm and so in my opinion you know we just have to go back to the basics i know of no code of ethics no code of ethics of christianity judaism. islam buddhist hindu or any just being a moral person that says that it's ok to just ignore him neglect the most vulnerable people in our society only talks about seniors these are the people who blazed the past for us young folks these are the people who fought in world war two they're the ones who defeated our country they're the ones who built our country and are we going to stay that year thanks for all you do for us but we're not there for you grandma grandpa i think that's repugnant and so that's that's where i'm coming from and i hope a lot of people agree with me on this point and the thing is of course is that it's not just seniors it's the entire middle class

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we're protecting medicaid as the people of this country want. and yet, as the republicans and tea party wants, there are no tax increases in this. as the president of the united states has asked us, there will be a second act in the year 2013. ladies and gentlemen of this house, the time is present. it is time for us to do the american thing. stand up for the american people and let us compromise in the best interest of all of us so this nation will not go into default. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. for what purpose does the gentleman from california rise? mr. dreier: madam speaker, i yield myself 15 second. the spker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized. mr. dreier: thhouse is not in order, madam speaker. well, it is now. madam speaker, i think it's very important to note tt yesterday and today we are continuing to hear that under the boehne proposal that cuts in medicare and social security would take place when in fact both the boehner and reid proposals have virtually identical, identical plans to put into pl

medicaid, medicare, many other ways account for 70%.private health insurance pays for 30%. >> of course congress allows medicaid to be part of the solution. my only point is that congress was building on this existing apparatus. it was not a jump in some dramatic step. the incentives and other plans would not work. they knew that if they wanted to get rid of discrimination against those who have pre- existing conditions. the way to do that was to have a minimum coverage provision. there was not another option. they said the massachusetts solution was the way to do it. if you are a truck driver, you have to have insurance. that brings me to my second point. about rates and how we were an instant away from the market there. i think that is right. millions of americans need health care. that is what makes this market unique. i take my friends do not disagree. one brief points to the rational decision to sell insurance. his answer here to you was, that was economic. the failure to buy something is not economic. this court dealt with and res

not paying for big rates, big cuts to forma, medicaid. not paying for to act -- for tax cuts. the president found himself $10 trillion in hole in dealing with the worst recession since the great depression, as well as having to come up with money for a recovery. where did those moneys go? most of them went to help states and municipalities. many used that to stabilize states with a stimulus package that many, including myself, did not think was strong enough to sustain economic recovery. we saw it, no matter how fragile, with the small recovery that we had. one-third of the money of a $1 billion package was utilized to help states and municipalities balance their budgets. one-third of the money, the largest tax cuts, went out in the history of the country. people did not really notice it. they started getting extra in their paycheck, but there was nothing in there that said -- this is a big tax cut for you. in one-third of it was used in infrastructure programs. not enough, in my estimation. certainly when we look at the construction work that needs to be done, that is what ne

medicare and medicaid benefits. we cannot put those payments at risk. we can doo not have the ability to limit the damage on them if congress fails to act in time. >> chris: it made more sense when you said it in i april than when you said it in july. what's your plan? it would be irresponsible to have a plan. the president says you have a plan. what is it. >> do everything we can to mitigate the damage. i want to be clear. congress will be putting 80 million checks payments at risk of delay and that would not be responsible. every one -- >> chris: have you decided who will get paid first. >> everyone who has had my woulb everyone who has had the president's job they have reached the same judgments we have reached the only option for the country. i believe speaker boehner and senator mcconnell understand this there is no other optional available. i don't think they will put the american people in that position. >> chris: i will ask one last time and move on. have you made plans as to who will get their checks and who won't get their checks? >> chris, we

they want to decimate social security, medicare, and medicaid. that is their long-term plan of action. but, as you also indicated, let's be very clear, the democrats have compromised and compromised and compromised. the reid proposal calls for $2.7 trillion in cuts, a lot of it military, but not all of it. and you know how much we're asking from the wealthiest people and largest corporations? zero. zero. >> well, i found it interesting tonight, you just said that the democrats have compromised, the president seemed to be an honest broker tonight. he's willing to serve up some pretty tough cuts, support the reid plan, which is $2.7 trillion, it's not the $4 trillion the president was talking about, but in a reversal politically in of all of this, what did you think of boehner accusing the president of wanting a blank check? where does that come from? >> that comes from a good speech writer. the president has been to my mind much too aggressive in talking about cuts. let's be clear. there are millions of progressives who are extremely upset that th

so hell bent on following the taliban's meanwhile both medicare and medicaid remain on life support as lawmakers discuss massive cuts to the entitlement programs and the growing wealth inequality do more harm than good to the economy. the republican war on women has reached an all time frenzy high in the past few months a good backer institute study released this week shows the states have an active one hundred sixty two new provisions related to reproductive health and women's rights in just the first six months of two thousand and eleven and a sharp increase in last year forty nine percent of these new laws seek to restrict access to abortion services and twenty six percent of the new laws restricting abortion as this chart that was included in the report shows eighty abortion restrictions on acts of this year are more than double the previous record of thirty four abortion restrictions and acted in two thousand and five and more than triple the twenty three an act in two thousand and ten and here's the zinger all all of these new provisions were enacted in just nineteen states where

no cuts in benefits for medicare and medicaid and social security beneficiaries. i wish that we had revenues in there so that those who had been fitted from the greatness the last 50 years of bipartisan progress for the american people would be able to make their contribution, but not one read -- red cent of revenue while we are saying kids should pay more for their student loans. so it's time to end this theater of the absurd. it's time for us to get real. it's time for us to get real and listen to the wisdom of the american people. they have said to us that they support an overwhelming -- in overwhelming numbers a bipartisan balanced approach. in overwhelming numbers that we should all pay our fair share. and they all agree that we should get this over with so we can get back to work puttinthe americaneople back to work by creating jobs. the speaker chose when he didn't have the votes instead of to reach out in a bipartisan way to see how we could work together, he chose to go to the dark side. let's bring -- let me repeat. and i repeat, he chose to go to the da

a lot of your blacks on medicaid and medicare, a lot of your single girls are on medicaid and medicare. host: i think the danger the caller talked about that is the danger for both obama and the republicans. one of the real risks is they have been so intent on raising the debt ceiling that there hasn't been a greater emphasis on jobs and job creation. to some extent that depends on who you talk to and which party but that is really what is going to turn this election. it is really what the parties know they have to focus more intensely on and something that's sort of been lost here in washington. host: one of the callers, the next week new job numbers are supposed to come out. guest: and who know what is they are going to say but probably not be good. and that can't come at a really worst time. look, if the debt ceiling isn't raised it could have a major economic g pact. some folks don't agree with that. but most virtually every economist and business community, wall street folks in both parties are worried about the fact that they don't raise the debt limit the markets could be scoope

you are willing to make cut in medicare and medicaid and social security?re putting our political fortunes at risk. you saw aarp and all engage theirr member to absolutelyy zoom in on congress with phone calls and lobbbying to say stop the president from giving up everything to the republicans. one lastt point here. i am amazed that you heard the speaker of the house said. we have moved the goal post in terms was a president who didn't want significant cuts and now willing to make significant cuts and republicans said we have won the fight and time to move on and not push the country over the edge. >> chris: that's one vieww. we'll take a breakk and continue the conversation. one of the being things coming out from geithner and boehner, the grand bargain is not dead. when we come back, more on the debt crisis. rom sprint. its powerful tools help you work faster and smarter so you can get back to playing "angry birds." it lets you access business forms on the go, fire off e-mails with the qwerty keypad, and work securely around the world so you can get back

cuts to medicaid and other health care issues are real health talks. behind those stories are real people, including one guy who has a big mission. next week, capitol hill is going to feel the force. >> hey, dr. gupta? >> yes, sir? >> you're it. >> i'm it. >> max paige only knows one pace, full steam ahead. you've probably seen max before, even though you might not know it. remember this volkswagen ad from super bowl xlv? darth vader? nope, just max. and within mere seconds of meeting him, max was asking about my daughters. >> 3 the-year-old. >> let me guess. 4-year-old, 10-year-old and 6-year-old. >> got it. how did you know? >> we're at the children's hospital of los angeles with max and his brother to see dr. michael soka. max has a pacemaker. actually, it's his third and he's only 6 years old. for parents jennifer and buck, the first sign of trouble came before max was even born. >> my 38-week appointment, we found out that max had structural damage to his heart. they didn't know -- they couldn't get a good heartbeat. they took him emergency c-sect

your medicaid spending is expected to keep rising. right now, you are restricted by the federal health-care law. it seems we are on an unsustainable path of spending more on medicaid. that means there's less to spend on education. guest: in my home state, we have involved all of our providers, all of our businesses, all of our insurers and we have set a goal over the next 10 years that we will maintain medical inflation, a health-care cost inflation, to more than 4%. if we are able to achieve that in my state, we can save all of our folks $26 billion. we need to understand that it is not just about keeping -- capping spending. it is about maintaining high- quality, bring about deficiencies in health-care delivery best done by involving the providers, the insurers, and the patients. that is what i am doing in my home state. at the same time, how we spend money and education? this past legislative session, we set up a $1 billion program for scholarships to low and middle-income students who don't otherwise have access to state grants fo

depending on how those cuts come down in medicaid will very much affect the jobs recovery. we believe and have put forward proposals to save the $100 billion that the president wants to save in medicaid by better managing those citizens that are dually eligible for both medicare and medicaid. but there's almost like a ping-pong process that takes place with these dual eligibles. they get the most expensive care going back and forth between nursing homes and hospitals, and also some of the lowest quality of care. so we want to manage that, we bring about those cost savings over a ten-year period of time. >> and medicare doesn't want them, so they kick them off to medicaid? because maybe they don't have any money left, they're 85 years old, and even if they're from a family with means, they don't have the means? >> sort of a perverse system of incentives. in other words, because medicare and medicaid are somewhat separate, when they interact with the same individual, the notion that the person is leaving one to go into hospitals on the other, means you don't realize where the

and through the new medicare and medicaid innovation center created by the law, we are testing a wide range of additional models for increasing the quality-of-care from strategies for helping seniors manage their chronic conditions to new models in which hospitals and doctors who help keep their patients healthy and out of hospital can share in the cost savings they create. together the reforms are dramatically strengthening medicaid, medicare today for seniors and americans with disabilities. but we also have the responsibility to preserve the promise of medicare for future generations. and we can't do that if costs continue to rise unchecked. because doing care the right way, often costs less than doing it the wrong way, many of walls reforms are aimed at improving the care and reducing medicare costs. for example partnership for patients alone with those to pretty tangible goals will save medicare as much as $50 billion over the next ten years by reducing errors that lead to unnecessary care. but the law doesn't stop there. it contains important tools to help stamp out waste fraud

they want to decimate social security, medicare, and medicaid. that is their long-term plan of action. but as you also indicated, let's be very clear. the democrats have compromised and compromised and compromised. the reid proposal calls for $2.7 trillion in cuts, a lot of it military, but not all of it. and you know how much we're asking from the wealthiest people and largest corporations? zero. zero. >> well, i found it interesting tonight, you just said that the democrats have compromised, the president seemed to be an honest broker tonight. he's willing to serve some pretty tough cuts, support the reid plan, which is $2.7 trillion, it's not the $4 trillion the president was talking about, but in a reversal politically, in all of this, what did you think of boehner accusing the president of wanting a blank check? >> the president has been to my mind much too aggressive in talking about cuts. let's be clear. there are millions of progressives who are extremely upset that this president has begun to talk about major cuts in social security, cut

who should not be eligible for medicaid. my bill changes the law to ensure that only the neediest nebraskans and americans would qualify for the medicaid expansion and health exchange subsidies created by the health reform law. this simple, reasonable change has a significant impact. it saves $13 billion. let me repeat that. $13 billion worth of savings. and my bill commits that $13 billion will be used to pay down the national deficit. and as washington debates various debt of this reduction plans, my bill offers one concrete, commonsense way to reduce the national debt by $13 billion. we hear a lot of different ideas but not with the same level of concrete commonsense approach. i regularly hear from nebraskans who are already benefiting from the new health care law. children remaining on their parents' coverage, seniors closing the doughnut hole, young people no longer be denied coverage because of preexisting conditions. those are nebraskans who are already benefiting from the new health care law. so with improvements lik

medicare and medicaid $50 billion. active military $3 billion. veterans affairs, $3 billion. you total it it is $134 billion and our revenue is $200 billion meaning you have $66 billion left. all the things that arguably politicians are fearmongerring about, social security, medicare, kid, military, veterans and so forth, that can be paid for and then have a surplus. >>guest: it is not a surplus it is if you shut down every other aspect of the surplus. greg i mean a surplus in temperatures of the left over revenue. >>guest: sure. and, by the way, this argument is relevant but also something that the markets view as remote because why think it will get to that point. obviously the chance of it get dog that point are increased the past couple of days but it seems this is all a matter of semantics and prelevelling blame. >>greg: since the government will spend $1.6 trillion more then it collects to revenue why not cut $1.6 trillion in spending. >>guest: if you think fearmongerring means no social security, cutting $1.6 trillion means you are cutting deeply into social security,

we mandate what they must do, and yet the states are choking on medicaid. and we're choking on matching the amount of dollars. and under the affordable care act, it is now estimated 25 million more people will go to medicaid. so it's broke. the census. it was broke before it started. cost twice what it did 10 years ago. $8 billion more than what was estited. fanny and freddy, we know they're broke. $190 billion you have now committedor to pay to get them out of the hock. congress created that. $190 billion and that is where we are today. it's going to be $300 billion or $400 billion that we willave to pay. social security. people say it's not broke. we have $2.5 trillion worth of i.o.u.'s. the fact is that that money's gone, congress stole it, spent it on other things and now we lack the ability to go into international financial markets to borrow that money to put that trust fund whole. so why do we need to reform social security? so we can make sure it's there in the future. what we did know is in 2032 now, according to the trustees that everybody on soci

i don't think there's too much on medicaid. there's a proposal called blended rate.k it's going to be too big of a worry. in social security, watch for them to change the inflation. it cuts benefits and social security that economists consider an increase. it also raises taxes because it moves people into higher tax rates more quickly. >> ezra, the big brain. >> one other thing i wanted to say, the deal that will get announced is target. we are going to find trillion in tax revenues. we are going to do it over six months. we are going to find 2.5 trillion in cuts. if they come out with something like that, they all know you can't find this trillion dollars in tax ref knew in two weeks. they have to agree on the per am ters. >> what i term the low level of whining among some house democrats that oh the white house isn't talking to us. they are doing this all by themselves, they are not keeping us posted or up to date. how much of a threat is that to the pass onlg of this? >> depends on the votes they need. i would argue that this time, they had a beef six months ago a

getting rid of these big cuts to medicare and medicaid. doing that, then sending it back. that i suspect we could sit down and talk about. >> we have been watching, as you've been speaking with us, over on the senate side, harry reid has been talking, and he just this second said, congressman clyburn, that he believes the tea party republicans are tanking our economy. how worried are you that you will not reach a deal in time? >> well, i do believe that we will. but if we don't, i've said time and time again, if the president gets up to august 2nd, without a piece of legislation, he should not allow this country to go into default. he should sign an executive order invoking the 14th amendment and send that to all the governmental agencies for us to continue to pay our bills. he could do that with a stroke of a pen. we've seen many big things done in history that way. i joked with my staff the other day, tell me what was the bill number of the emancipation proclamation, it was an executive order. we integrated the armed services by executive order. we integrated public scho

talking medicaid, the highest spending state next to california.of fat and critics saying in the medicaid program, a traditional democratic constituency and came up with ways and to put the public pensions on a table ways more typically associated with the gop governors causing such a ruckus among the liberals. has he create add kind of clintonesque, occupy the entire political spectrum with his first six months? >> i reject the notion that it's centrist or triangulating. i think he's practical. the state didn't have the money. the way he's done this, in my view, helps the middle class, putting a cap on property taxes. he has progressive critics if it's the right thing to do. not putting a surtax on people who make a lot of money, because there was grave concern about them leaving new york city. finding ways to balance the budget, and instead of bashing union, sitting down with them and negotiating concession. that's appealing to main stream aggressive, in the democratic party. even if he gets in trouble for example for reforms on medicaid. >> we'v