that have not expanded medicaid we, then states that have expanded medicaid? >> that's absolutely correct. households in the south, the region with the highest concentration of black folks, carry more medical debt than other regions. this is exactly the reason where medicaid expansion hasn't happened. the 12 states that have not expanded medicaid, eight of them are in the south. that's left many people uninsured, particularly black folks, also many of those southern states have a high percentage of for profit hospitals that are not subject to the care provisions of the aca. that said, the uninsured rate in the south is definitely connected to the lack of medicaid expansion and connected to the increasing levels of medical debt in that region. >> you see a direct link between medical indebtedness in states like georgia and its refusal to expand medicaid? >> absolutely. the last that i believe said georgia has the fourth or third highest uninsured rate in the country. i have worked with clients directly in georgia who are under insured are uninsured, facing medi

medicaid is among the worst. you could earn an extra $100 and lose your benefits or those for your kids. all of these things together, if you take a cohort like 30 euros and look at the poorest 20%, about 1/4 of these people are in marginal tax brackets. benefits are lost. if you save more than a couple of thousand dollars, you will lose benefits. medicaid and obamacare and all these other welfare programs, obamacare, you earn too much money, you start losing your subsidy. the system is byzantine. it needs to be entirely scrapped. we need to get rid of employer-based health care, medicaid, medicare, obamacare, and move to a single national system like we have been discussing. host: mr. morone, you heard mr. kotlifkoff talk about who's pushing back against these ideas. if you go back to 1964, there were those protesting at the dnc in favor of medicare. supporters of l.b.j. had that kind of support as well. who was supporting it in the united states at that time? guest: let me back up a second and say who was oppos

that have not expanded medicaid we, then states that have expanded medicaid? >> that's absolutely correct. households in the south, the region with the highest concentration of black folks, carry more medical debt than other regions. this is exactly the reason where medicaid expansion hasn't happened. the 12 states that have not expanded medicaid, eight of them are in the south. that's left many people uninsured, particularly black folks, also many of those southern states have a high percentage of for profit hospitals that are not subject to the care provisions of the aca. that said, the uninsured rate in the south is definitely connected to the lack of medicaid expansion and connected to the increasing levels of medical debt in that region. >> you see a direct link between medical indebtedness in states like georgia and its refusal to expand medicaid? >> absolutely. the last that i believe said georgia has the fourth or third highest uninsured rate in the country. i have worked with clients directly in georgia who are under insured are uninsured, facing medi

and the out of state provider has to have a relationship with medicaid.that all of the women that will be with medicaid who will be needing to travel out of state, it is very unlikely that their medicaid program will pay for their abortions, even in cases of rape or incest. nick: and so, marsha jones, given that restriction, given the people who you said you've been trying to help, what are you hearing from the women who are reaching out to you? marsha: so we're hearing women who are without resources, who are without a plan, who are without a next step. they literally don't know what to do. even when you're hearing conversations that say the abortion pill will be available, self-managed abortions, not if you're already 14 weeks gestation. you know, not if you're already late in gestation. that sounds good,ut it's not going to be available for the women that we serve. and we are talking about taxes, no exception. nick: on friday, president biden issued an executive order aimed at protecting access to reproductive health services. will it have any impact o

medicare and medicaid saves lives. medicare and medicaid also have considerable economic benefits. medicaid significantly helps reduce poverty and has been tied to economic mobility across generations and higher educational attainment, income, and taxes paid. despite the benefits of medicare and medicaid, my republican colleagues are trying to dismantle these programs. in 2018, a house republican budget proposal slashing 50 -- $537 million from medicare over a decade. yet, while house republicans tried to gut medicare and medicaid, house democrats are working to expand these programs t to more americans. i'm fighting to improve medicare and medicaid in my district of the virgin islands of the united states and to the other u.s. territories which have long suffered health care inequities. before 2017, in the virgin islands, nearly 30% of residents didn't have health insurance. . this is a rate hire than the national average of 9%. as of 2021, 34,000 individuals in the virgin islands, over a third of our population, relied on medicaid and chip. however the virgin islands has historic

medicaid is among the worst. could earn an extra $100 and lose your benefits or those for your kids. all of these things together, if you take a cohort like 30 euros and look at the poorest 20%, about 1/4 of these people are in marginal tax brackets. benefits are lost. if you save more than a couple of thousand dollars, you will lose benefits. medicaid and obamacare and all these other welfare programs, obamacare, you earn too much money, you start losing your subsidy. the system is byzantine. it needs to be entirely scrapped. we need to get rid of employer-based health care, medicaid, medicare, obamacare, and move to a single national system like we have been discussing. host: mr. morone, you heard mr. kotlifkoff talk about who's pushing back against these ideas. if you go back to 1964, there were those protesting at the dnc in favor of medicare. supporters of l.b.j. had that kind of support as well. who was supporting it in the united states at that time? guest: let me back up a second and say who was opposing

medicaid is among the worst. could earn an extra $100 and lose your benefits or those for your kids. all of these things together, if you take a cohort like 30 euros and look at the poorest 20%, about 1/4 of these people are in marginal tax brackets. benefits are lost. if you save more than a couple of thousand dollars, you will lose benefits. medicaid and obamacare and all these other welfare programs, obamacare, you earn too much money, you start losing your subsidy. the system is byzantine. it needs to be entirely scrapped. we need to get rid of employer-based health care, medicaid, medicare, obamacare, and move to a single national system like we have been discussing. host: mr. morone, you heard mr. kotlifkoff talk about who's pushing back against these ideas. if you go back to 1964, there were those protesting at the dnc in favor of medicare. supporters of l.b.j. had that kind of support as well. who was supporting it in the united states at that time? guest: let me back up a second and say who was opposing

even more so has medicaid. it's the one program people have added things so it no longer just goes to the people on welfare or to the poor. people that are in some other situation like being pregnant that people think deserve state aid. medicare has always tried not to be the program that pays for long-term care because they want to subsidize people in mental health hospitals who are an enormous number of people in 1965. but it has been moving much more to funding home health care as part of this general trend in medicine to keep people out of hospitals. so all these things are going on at the same time that the welfare reform discussion is going on. host: peter in fairfax, virginia. caller: newt gingrich testified about welfare reform just last week arguing that work requirements have been a success. he further recommended that we replicate that model for all federal welfare programs. what he ignores is the fact that the requirements are unreasonable for recipients and unrealistic for states. unreasonable beca

now 95 million and the additional medicaid patients are mostly in states that didn't approve the medicaidansion. they got medicaid provisionally because of the pandemic. the hospital association loves the money flow, right? loves the support. theoretically it would go to services for the pandemic but let me also point out we don't have the vaccines we need. we didn't get a vaccine for the ba5 sub variant or no new therapeutics. >> harris: why is that? >> i think it's because they didn't put the money where their mouth is. there wasn't a public/private partnership we had with operation warp speed. they didn't pay drug companies in advance to make the vaccines fast enough and also they didn't deregulate the process. with flu vaccine we use animals. with this vaccine we are going through tremendous regulations. when we got the vaccine the variant is gone. >> harris: i want to get to this because people who don't live in blue states may not realize this. there are states that have statewide covid-19 health emergencies. many are in democrat-led states like california, new york, connecticut. mo

how much is done by private insurance and how much is done by medicare and medicaid? guest: it varies. d.c. is one of the most highly insured cities. but that is rare. there are huge gaps in insurance coverage around the states and cities in the country. sponsored health insurance -- things like the affordable care act paying for reproductive health services particularly preventive care is covered that folks who are uninsured or underinsured are trying to get routine screenings can be almost or nearly impossible because it is so expensive. out-of-pocket costs for reproductive health care can be huge. it is surmountable -- insurmountable for some folks. host: what is it like for folks in women centers across the country since this is in court ruling effectively overturning roe v. wade? guest: it's devastating. there's a lot of grief and sorrow and anger. our job is to take care of people. to have to turn people away because of this ruling -- not to be able to provide care that we know our community needs has had a devastating impact on the clinics and staff and provide

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i will not expand medicaid. friend of mine brother- host: i'm good at throw a map from the kaiser family foundation that shows medicaid expansion just to give you some visuals. go ahead and initiate question. caller: so anyway, there they are and south dakota, my friend's brother is having a lot of medical problems. he is not working, all of the other family has money. what are we going to do with him? he needs teeth attention, medical attention. the family had to come together to help pay for that. that to me just shows how unequal the states are. people talk about their right to life, but when it comes to health care, no one seems to care about living people. host: i just want to give him a chance to respond. guest: i agree with you the system is very complex. i think one of the reasons it has become complex is because how large the administrative needs of the state is. ideally for the unpredictable, high expense, when you run everything through insurance. there are lots of issues there. i will say something a

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fifth, i'm directing the senators -- the centers for medicare and medicaid service to take every legally available step to protect family-planning care, including emergency contraceptives and long acting reversible contraception such as iud's. health care is a matter to be decided by patients and their providers. as part of these efforts, we will make clear family-planning providers are able to participate in the medicaid program. these clinics provide safe care and have a vast expertise in providing reproductive health care. let me now tell you a little bit more about why i think medication abortion is so critical. medication abortion has been approved by the fda for years and is safer patients. it is the gold standard for care when someone who is pregnant experiences a miscarriage, which is all too real for many expectant mothers across the country. i say this as the spouse of a more than 30 year gyn. the supreme court decisions will result in worsening health outcomes and death for some patients. working to increase access to this drug is a national imperative and in the public intere

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i appreciate your explanation how medicaid is vital in your fight. and to fight addiction and overdoses, yet republicans like florida governor ron desantis refuse to expand medicaid for the abuse and misery that brings in. governor desantis it from the shame and overwhelming grief that families must endure because of his callus reactions, and we don't stop calling out his and other republicans, and that those suffer. and dr. gupta thank you search for your service. >> thank you. yields back. and representative, you're now recognized. >> thank you, madam chair, dr. gupta, according to the dea, the illegal smuggling of narcotics in our country increased dramatically over the last few years. do you agree with the dea's assessment that smuggling of cocaine and methamphetamines and fentanyl is on the rise? >> congressman, we are seeing unprecedented environment that this country has never seen before. >> okay. >> and i thought it was interesting, too, doctor, that the dea says the only major drug that's actually on the decline as far as illegal smuggling

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in 2019, more than 20% of adults in the district were enrolled in medicaid. what impact does it have on people with less income where abortion care is not covered by medicaid? >> roe v wade was always the floor and for people who have low income, who have medicaid or other federal health insurance, what it's meant is that access to abortion is not meaningful. and what we are seeing around the country right now as additional hurdles are in place and people have to travel or seek care out of their community, we are now seeing that terrible situation where people couldn't access care who had the incomes dramatically extended and the additional difference now or the painful criminal penalties that are falling on top off it. .. aggression after 20 weeks. i was able to nullify or to overcomeme them. and they could trying to ban access to all abortion were they to take control of congress. governor duncan in virginia is also pledged to try to fix abortion access in virginia.in but we have is providers in d.c., maryland and virginia these are the states that are alig

we have 12 states in the country, mine included, that have not expanded medicaid. as a result the rates of drug overdose are higher and no states then and is in those states that have expanded medicaid. dr. gupta: thank you, congresswoman. first of all, it is important to note that half of the people with substance abuse disorder have mental health and vice versa. this overlap in mental health is also part of the importance of access to care. it is true and tragic that young people are perishing at a higher rate than ever before because of the overlap of the two. it is also true that the majority of the people of the 170,000 deaths are between 25 and 54 years of age, the working age population across the country. we are losing 100,000 people at a time every year. if you think about it from economics, common sense, the ability to get people, the ability for them to feel they can get help, and overlap, it is critical. sen. wasserman schultz: it is basic math. if you have health insurance and can afford to pay for your health care you're much more likely to be able to

so urging the secretary to suspend requirement by the centers for center and medicaid on relocating and transferring vulnerable patients. and to extend coverage until the defrmation on recertification. as of july 2022, and update the number of deaths from 3 to 4. oftener page 3, delete the language until the end of the year. we need to do all we can to fix deficiencies and compliance issues and to get laguna honda decertified. mr. president, i would like to make a motion to adopt these amendments as read into the record and i would ask that all of my colleagues support this resolution. thank you. seconded by supervisor ronen. >> thank you colleagues, i just, i just wanted to express my frustration with the federal government. i don't understand the vice president kamala harris who used to be the district attorney in san francisco, and has incredible power, where is the leader nancy pelosi who is in charge of the entire of house of representatives, where is diane feinstein our senator. where is ja here and every single family, they organize what are you doing? this is a hospital of last

and in the state capital down in florida fighting for medicaid expansion. i came to the united states capital. >> i remember that day. >> you and i talked that day, later that day i got arrested . trying to fight for medicaid expansion and they were cutting erresources from the women the children's health care program. i was here with william barbour and others. barbara told me it was my turn to get arrested. >> the first time i got arrested his aunt when i'm at my wife. >> what a day. [laughter] at >> sometimes it works i guess. that was great. but i remember what the issue was. we were all fighting for children. >> now my office is down the lhall from the rotunda where i got arrested. at the capitol police were very kind and polite especially that day. they were doing their jobs. nowadays they help me when it's time for me to get to my office or get to the capital. and you know, that's what i mean. that the journey, the work that we're trying to do. the progress comes in fits and starts. but the democracy expands and contracts. but america is a great nati

many people rely on medicaid for their essential health care needs. restrictions on medicaid coverage of abortion are particularly harmful to thiss community. ms. mc morrow how can those of us working to expand health care access and share people living with disabilities? >> i i appreciate the question. it's really challenging for many people and that's especially true and it ultimately comes down to the health care decisions between an individual and a family. every single situation is different right c now the law is written and our attorney general mentioned it as an exception for death to the mother. it goes back to the issue is its a% or 20% and it doesn't not impact mental health in the issue you brought up to care for existing family so ultimately all of us in the most compassionate way need to work as hard as possible to ensure the decision that medical providers can make without arbitrary hurdles. >> i'd like to follow-up. they have so many challenges. the governor has been at the forefront of helping people with disabilities and the impact t

they did support the left hurt that i lead to expand postpartum medicaid.ut one thing i'd like to correct on the record, because i've heard this many times, the disinformation of how the united states is radical compared to other countries. most countries don't legislate abortion. they don't. you know why? because they know that abortion is health care. so, this is not even something that's legislated in most countries. so, that's why you don't see that this is something else regularly talked about. because they know that this is not a political issue. and it was not a political issue until the 19 80s, when republicans used it to coalesce their base. so, all the talk about how radical the u.s. was in protecting abortion rights is just completely false. >> thank you for clearing that up. maternal mortality rates of black women increased during the pandemic. and i am alarmed and enraged -- making that disparity worse. mortality is a public health crisis and we need to address it -- forcing -- carry. i just want to say that my constituents and others in illino

residents enrolled in medicaid.hen combined ice -- which prevents federal medicaid funds from data being used for abortion care, there is no possibility for d.c. residents enrolled in medicaid to use that coverage for abortion care. in 2019, more than 20% of adults in the district were enrolled in medicaid. this goss graves, what impact does it have on women with us and time that abortion coverage is not covered by medicaid? >> you know, roe v. wade was always the floor and, for people who have low income, who have medicaid or other federal health insurance, but it has meant is that access to abortion is not meaningful. what we're seeing around the country right now, as additional hurdles are in place and people have to travel or seek care out of their community, we are now seeing that terrible situation where people couldn't access care, who had lower incomes, dramatically extended. the additional difference now at the painful criminal penalties that are falling on top of it, so, d.c. residents already know some of

we have still 12 states, mine included, that have not expanded medicaid. as a result, hour, the rate of drug overdoses is higher in those states than it is in those states that have expanded medicaid. >> thank you congresswoman. first of all, it is important to note that about half of the people with substance abuse disorder have mental health issues and vice versa. this overlap, it is also part of the access to care. it is true and tragic to young people or perishing at a high rate, because of the overlap of the two. it is also true that the majority of people of the 107,000 deaths to happen, that means that is a working age across this age that we are losing at 100,000 people at a time every year. if you think about it in common sense, economics, if you think about it from giving people the ability that they can feel that they can get help, it is critical. >> what it boils down to is, if you have a health insurance, you can afford to pay for your health care, you're much more likely to be able to get access to that care and prevent your, ever being addic

in the state capitol down in georgia fighting for medicaid expansion. i came to the united states capitol back. i remember that day. yeah. yeah you and i talked that day later that day. i got arrested standing up trying to trying to fight for medicaid expansion. they were cutting resources from the children's healthcare program, and i was here along with the reverend dr. william barber and some others and barbara told me it was my turn to get arrested right pretty good. so first time i got arrested for that my wife. oh, wow. what a date absolutely. but whatever. it was sometimes you work today. yes, steve madden 15 years. that was great. but i remember that you got address and i remember what the issue was. we were all yeah fighting for children. so just yeah and now my office is down the hall from the rotunda where i got arrested absolutely and the capital police. who were very kind and polite and professional that day who were doing their job had to take me to central booking that day nowadays. they helped me when it's time for me to get to my office

yet, the response from the governor is to refuse to expand medicaid, denying access to health care toighest gun violence state in the nation. gun violence is the number one killer of our children. so, on a host of metrics, this governor has failed. i'm hearing again and again that people are concerned. his response is either in action or making it worse. he has weakened gun laws in georgia. i've been across the state, i've been to every region of the state, without exception, the people i am talking to want better, they want more. they don't know that they can get it. they've also been convinced that we can't afford it, that's simply not true. >> you know, isn't it ironic, well, let's say, not ironic, hypocritical, the very people that call themselves pro life for the very people who want to cut medicaid, the very people who support the proliferation of weapons of war, and for 18 year olds with mental health problems to be able to walk in and buy them on their 18th birthday, they're the same people that, of course, support the death penalty, and the same people who seem unconcerned ab

when compared against other states that have expanded medicaid. this combats the opioid epidemic and improves access to treatment and recovery for individual experience substances disorders. >> thank you, i really appreciate the effort and the fact that we were able to see some off-loads once again of the introduction aspect. the treatment part is so critical because as we try to get people help, one of the reasons people do not get the help is because they don't have the coverage that they can afford. the very people we are trying to help often cannot afford to see a physician or a provider. that is tragic, that is unfortunate. we know that there is a direct link between increasing access to care and getting the care. it is critical, that is one of the most important pieces of the backbone that we are going to need to solve this crisis and save the 107,000 lives, it may possibly increase in the future. obviously, people who get it are able to then have at least one more issue they don't have to worry about while seeking care. >> absolutely, thank

every five years, social security, medicare and medicaid have to be reauthorized.rom the day you started working, your other pension, you're paying in every single -- it as medicare and medicaid to the chopping block. unless congress works to extend those programs, the work in the summer, the ability to keep happening is real. imagine what it would mean if a had their way. the ultra maga republicans, congress is deciding every five years whether your promise of your hard-earned medicare and social security would be your discontinued or slashed, it as shameful. senator lindsey graham of south carolina has a postal to -- proposal to cut social security. as president i cut the federal debt by $350 billion. do you know how much i cut it this year? this year by the end of september i will have cut the federal budget by $1 trillion -- $1,400,000,000,000. that is the deficit. they talk about extenders, that is the point of that. publicans are talking about pricing -- privatizing social security. this is not a joke. we hear this stuff and think they did not mean it, but th

rights to medicare and medicaid. who is helping them navigate and are there language supports for families who don't speak english? that isoir social services support. aids with the efforts. the language barrier we have interpreters some on site that is your own staff they all have that same you know i don't want to call it a conflict. that sounds #but it say conflict. everybody is under pressure. to you know meet you know to make our best effort. right? >> right >> combu -- you know like when gets the best effort is to do everything by september 13th that's what they are measure dom vincent has collaborated with blanca the state ombuds person and show has been involved and out that is 2 people i don't know. >> she has been at laguna honda. she helped facilitate a virtual conference because of covid concerns. with the community about a month ago. and has been involved but you think this is just she is one other person besides vincent. >> so, you know. my other question was about you know what we are or not getting fr