in medicare, medicaid and the federal system up to 10 or 12%, they don't know, know way to measure itthis is the classic example where we have 1990's technology could save this money and the government is twiddling their thumbs. >> caroline, this is a drop in the bucket of the whole medicare annual budget, but you've got to start somewhere, don't you? >> i would agree, but toby, we did just put in a 77 million dollar system and that's why we caught this. this is a new type of fraud. so i'm a little more optimistic and i want to complicate it a little bit because when you're talking undocumented workers, we actually make $80,000 on average per worker because two-thirds of the 12 million undocumented workers, 8 million of them pay medicare, social security, and they pay income taxes, and don't get that back. >> that doesn't mean that they should necessarily get illegal benefits. >> i'm not making that argument, but making the argument at that we're not losing that money in fraud, we're actually making money off of it. >> what do you think of that business model as toby said? >> it's the

all of them and still doesn't cope up with the growth spiraling out of control programs like medicare, medicaid, and social security. and i haven't even touched defense, don't get me going upon defense. just to sustain what we clearly don't want to cut now. we would have to raise everyone's taxes a hell of a lot more than anyone could even fathom. after all we'veiven up on spending and the only other option would have to be taxing. you call government, and start feeding him, he's hungry and getting hungry. ben stein, charles payne, gerri willis and adam lashinsky, charles payne, feed the beast? >> feed the beast. i wonder how many people-- peopl peruse their checks and saying, hold on, you know? does warren buffett talk about me because the payroll tax went up? i thought there wasn't going to be a tax increase on everyone. i was shocked the president didn't fight for that, but to your point, this is a very, very, very tipf the iceberg, people want bigger government you say it's okay, want larger government you think it's fair, you think it's nice, 100 billion a year maybe on food stamps, and it

you saw it on medicare, medicaid and social security. >> i'm fascinated.ago tonight, as i said this to keith ellison a moment ago, the republicans were plotting strategy to obstruct. what is their dinner tonight? i'll ask you the same thing. >> look, they just had a session where they were told they have to get their act together. they can't be hateful anymore. and what did the president say to them? i've got to do some immigration reform. i've got to welcome people, not push them away. we've got to be nicer to women. and gays and lesbians, our gay and lesbian brothers and sisters. he gave them some space. if they want to show that they're not just about saying no, he gave them room. i hope they're listening. >> john nichols, great to have you with us. great work this week. >>> today he made it clear he's got their back. terry o'neill and clarissa martinez will join me, coming up on "the ed show." and the president makes history in his second inaugural address and chronicles america's struggles for civil rights. i'll talk about the cultural impact of today

medicare, medicaid, off the table.ne year unemployment benefits will be extended for a year, unemployment benefits extended for a year. business tax credit will be extended for a year, the student loan help is going to be a five-year program along with a low income tax credit. this is what sources are telling me. the big thing here, and the reason why chuck schumer is saying that there will be strong democratic support is because the president has won the war on race. there has been a lot of conversation about, well, let's go to 37 or 37.5. the president will get 39.6%. this takes us to the old rates under the clinton administration and they are permanent and it will take a big move by the congress to move us off that rate in the future this is a big -- a big win for the white house, $600 billion in revenue with no spending cuts and we go to round two as the calendar takes us to the next phase of all of this. i think it's a big win for the white house, something the republicans know they have to take, know there has to

but democrats are going to have to look at medicare and medicaid.s just can't -- you can't tax your way to solvency, can you, with these programs? >> you can't. i mean, we have made over $1 trillion in cuts at the last continuing resolution. that was a good thing. we've raised revenues, $600 billion in revenue, that was a positive step. we've got, joe, at least $2.5 trillion to go. and i think richard's right. i'd say it's close to $1.5 trillion that we need to do in cuts. i think we do need to do another $500 trillion in revenue. you can't do it out of domestic spending any did more. we've cut domestic spending almost to the bone. it has to come from entitlements. no ifs, ands or buts. >> i say easy, not for the people who get cut, it's discretionary domestic spending. where not only republicans but now democrats are saying you know, we don't want to touch medicare and medicaid, middle-class entitlements over the next generation, so we're going to cut in the short term which, of course, will harm the economy. >> right. >> but they won't take care o

we ended up with no cuts and benefits to social security, medicare medicaid.e going to stand firm on that as we move towards the two-month period. there are many things in this bill that allowed me to vote for it. but of course there were many things that caused me a lot of angst and wish it had been different. >> eliot: congresswoman, you make a persuasive case. i can't say that i agree with you, but i want to say something in your favor. congressman bernie frank always said compared to what. you just listed some critically important accomplishments in this bill. the unemployment benefits in particular. what worries me is something that is not dealt with in the bill which is the debt ceiling. what worries me at the structural level is now we're going to go into a negotiation where we have to raise the debt ceiling. the republicans will hold the nation hostage to that obligation as they did last year and we've given away our negotiating power by conceding all the revenue pieces we're going to get. why didn't the president say to the republicans, if you want th

the ones grown the most are medicare and medicaid.ncrease in the amount ort will swallow the rest of the budget. continuing to run these huge gerri: it will be the only thing we pay for. and as i pointed out toe us, centers for medicare & medicaid services found we can't even get the fraud portion of this right. i know this is a topic you're interested in. we spent 102 million trying to find fraud and found 20 million in overpayments. what is wrong with the system here? >> well it is the bureaucrats who are implementing what is a good law. what we did was simply follow what the credit card industry does. many of your viewers had transaction on the credit card where the credit card company called them and said, look, there is fraud alert on your card. did you really do that transaction? that is computer modeling, predictive technology, looks at your spend habits if they're in the normal course of your spending. if they're not, the computer puts up the red flag and they check with you. if they you say no, they don't pay. you look at som

he specifically said we need to stand here and protect social security, medicare and medicaid. three critical programs this nation depend on, three critical programs that senior depend upon but not only seniors depend upon, also we know that seniors and people who are living on survivor benefits, when their loved one who gets social security dies, are entitled to get survivor benefits and these survivor benefits are literally putting food on the families of millions all across this country. but not only. that people with disabilities get medicare and social security. and he stood up for these programs. reminding us that the richest country in the history of the world, the richest country in the history of the world does not need to throw its poor, its vulnerable and its aged under the bus. it doesn't -- we're not too broke to make sure that our senior citizens, our children who are on survivor benefits, and people who are vulnerable economically, we're not too par to make sure that there's something for them and they have a livelyhood and a way to make it forward. imagine the r

our biggest issues is cuts to social security and medicare and medicaid benefits. i'm convinced he would be an active fighter. we have to make sure both in the appointment and whoever wins next election, we don't have somebody canceling out elizabeth warren. >> host: did he seek out your endorsement? you're help? >> guest: not that way, we met a couple times, and i just wanted to talk to him. >> host: okay. so what kind of resources do you have to help him? >> guest: so, again, we have nearly 1 million members across the nation, 25,000 in massachusetts. this is a unique campaign because there's one person who is the voter, and that's the governor. i think there, the main point would be just an expression of support for massachusetts residents, and those watching now, duval patrick when it's 9 a.m., and tell them you want barney frank if that's who you support. >> host: just a place holder or change his mind and run? >> guest: i wouldn't call him just a place holder. >> host: sowing the seed, does he want it permanently? >> i think he decided not to run because he d

i will say that you mentioned medicare and medicaid and social security.ograms in the speech. that tells me that he's not going in there to chop these things. the republicans are not going to give him any more tax increases. i don't think we're going to get a big deal with the president saying that he do this with medicare and medicaid and social security. and republicans coming aboard with tax hikes. neil: i think you are right. we should maybe run in the opposite direction now, but he is quite comfortable with just leaving things as they are. and if he can rely on may be getting a few more bucks out of the rich as far as a full-scale revamp of our social programs. that's just not in the works. if republicans think it will be, extended sequestration cuts, have at it, but i don't see that happening. neil: here's what i see happening. i think barack obama has decided that he can't played a backroom deal with speaker boehner and the rest of them. he is going to be who he is. >> does is let obama be obama. when he brought up climate change, that tells me that

we can pay our interest, we can pay for social security and medicare and medicaid and our troops and have some left over. certainly there will be things that you have to cut. this is point in time where americans need to decide that we don't want to be like greece. >> neil: i think it's worth repeating, you don't default unless you don't make payments to creditors and like you said, we would have more wiggle room do that and made good on our commitments to social security, medicare, medicaid, defense. tougher decisions about excess spending 40% over what we take in but the idea of default or become greece instantly is a lie? >> as the lie. the president and some others in congress are trying to say if we don't spend what we plan to spend, then we defaulted in some way. you know that is not true. a lot of families cut on what they plan to do. we need to make some toughsions. president said if he got his tax increase he would cut spending. he needs to fulfill that promise, but this is an important time for us to decide that we're going to make those hard decisions and cut spending. you

. >> the commitments we make to each other through medicare and medicaid and social security, these things do not sap our initiative, they strengthen us. they do not make us a nation of takers, they free us to take the risks that make this country great. >> here's the "washington post" headline. obama lays out liberal vision. the "new york times" also called it a liberal vision for a second term. and politico writes obama is on offense for liberalism. let me bring in mother jones reporter andy kroll and politico's white house reporter, carrie budoff-brown. good morning. so how different was the tone in this speech? >> i mean, it was very different from the way he, you know, governed for the last four years or attempted to govern. he came at it from sort of a centrist, pragmatist approach, and it didn't work out so well for him a lot of the times. he faced a congress in republican hands for the last two years in the house that did not, you know, accept his agenda or pass it through the way he would like it. so i think he learned from this election, gave him the confidence to say the electio

medicare, medicaid, social security, we have our obligations. we have our responsibility. i am sure george share of inaugurations. this speech, in particular, and the message that was clear, it was a pointed finger and a reminder that we can work together, but these things i hold sacred. that is, i guess, entitlement. peter: absolutely. no question. you are right, he did, also call out conservative republicans. those tea party republicans who he has accused of being unmovable, unmoved in their positions saying "we cannot mistake absolutism for principal or substitute spectacle for politics or treat name-calling as reason debate." as you know, in the last couple major boat, both were extending the bush tax cuts for all, but the wealthiest. also in a hurricane sandy really package. the president has had to rely in the house on a coalition of almost all of the democrats and a handful of republicans. neil. neil: it is interesting that he did not give up on this idea of the privilege versus those who are simply trying to get by. i wondered, was he trying to say get ready for mo

republicans will not agree on taking on more debt without cuts on medicare, medicaid, and other social services. >> i think tax reform ought to be revenue neutral as it was back in the reagan years. we resolved that issue. with don't have this problem because we tax too little. we have it because we spend way, way too much. we settle the tax issue. the question is now can we address the single biggest threat to america's future. that's our excessive spending. >> some say this stand-up could be worse than the fiscal cliff fight. house minority leader nancy pelosi says the president should bypass the debate all together and sign the new debt ceiling into law. she told "face the nation" viewers that president has the 14th amendment on his side which states that the nation's debt shall always be paid. >>> po >>> pelosi met with hundreds of quaints and colleagues to talk about last year's chag lengs and accomplishments and this year's goals. in 2013 the democratic party will continue to focus on growing and supporting the middle class, she says. >> practice the strength in our country and t

. >> preserving our individual freedoms ultimately requires collective action, medicare and medicaid and social security.

. >> the commitments we make to each other through medicare, medicaid and social security.hese things do not sap our nation, they strengthen us. [cheers and applause] they do not make us a nation of takers, they free us to take the risks that make this country great. >> jon: that's interesting. the president is using a rhetorical device in this speech that is -- what is it we're talking about help me out vanquished vice presidential candidate paul ryan, what is he doing? >> that rhetorical device he uses over and over and over a straw man. >> jon: actually you know what a straw man is when you create or falsely characterize a opponent's argument to dismantel the argument. i think the president is throwing your own words back in your face without naming you. passive al gretion. that's what he is using. passive aggression. this argument as a straw man. i could have sworn i heard a politician make that exact statement. >> we could become a society where the americans are not takers versus markers. we need more makers and less takers in america. [ laughter ] >> jon: so to be fa

but one thing -- >> i have to challenge -- >> medicare and medicaid together. nd medicaid together. within 10 years, it devours every cent. >> there's a progressive argument for dealing with that issue. >> which is what? when are we going to hear it? >> well, i want to challenge you and you as well, david, on this point. >> challenge the president, david. >> no, you and you. the premise that the president has not been venturesome in this area, has not been willing to be forward leaning, is not true. the president talked about changes in social security. he's talked about changes in -- committed himself to cuts in medicare. what he hasn't done is talked about turning it into a voucher program because that's not shifting the cost onto the backs of seniors -- >> when we talk about leadership,s se as seen from th outside it seems like a lot of this administration is focussed on trivial issues. i watch your show. i watch a lot of television. and it seems like 90% of the debate is on things that is so far from the rest of the world. al qaeda branches are still out the

. >> preserving our individual freedoms ultimately requires collective action, medicare and medicaid and social security. these things do not sap our nation. they strengthen us. we will respond to the threat of climate change. our journey is not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law. >> joining me now bill schneider, resident fellow third way, washington think tank and tara mcguinnes senior vice president of communications at the center for american progress. hello to both of you. >> hey, thanks for having us. >> bill, let's start with the speech. not just conservatives here who say that it was progressive. salon.com calling it the most liberal speech of obama's presidency. did the president miss a chance here to reach out to republicans, bill schneider? >> i don't think he was trying to do that. he was trying to basically stay -- say that he believes that government can do a lot of good and just about every issue that you quoted the president on is something that most americans believe. he was saying the era of reaganism is over. pres

i believe there is it proper role for medicaid and medicare and social security. what we have been proposing is to strengthen those programs to make sure they are there for you. right now we know that absent any reforms, we are getting to the point that we will go bankrupt as a country. this is just as true as that the sun is going to rise. this is a critical time in our country. we have to make some changes to protect people like you. some changes have to be made. host: susan is next in texas. caller: good morning. ut me off.'t come why don't they look for the fraud and abuse? work on the first. it is not it will lead soldiers that are getting the money. it has been the military industrial complex. as far as congress, look at the loopholes. you never think about that. if you do not know history, it is going to repeat itself. guest: there is a lot there. i think there is validity to a congressional benefits. i have led it in changing that. the lead by example act. i believe strongly that you articulated in the policy. 403 (b) proourth three gram. you can receive t

they want major cuts to the big three, medicare, medicaid and social security.ending was the issue, there wouldn't be a problem. president obama already signed the 2011 budget control act, which included $1.7 trillion in government spending cuts. in reality, the best plan to reduce the deficit comesro

>> well, i think the social security, all enentitlement payments, medicare, medicaid, social securitythis is where the most painful thing is, because people are counting on that and to surprise somebody that's going to get-- that's eligible for social security next month, you know, with having to wait several years, but at the end of the day, then i think what we've got to take along. >> kelly: okay. >> a long hard look at-- >> michael seymour, thank you, the point is, our financial house is out of order. >> very out of order. >> jamie: thanks. there are new numbers showing dramatic decline of death from cancer in our country. that's good positive news. how do we stay on that trend. dr. somati from our medical a-team is here to stay behind the decrease. [ ryon ] eating shrimp at red lobster is a fantastic experience. 30 shrimp for $11.99. i can't imagine anything better. you're getting a ton of shrimp, and it tastes really good! [ male announcer ] hurry in to red lobster's 30 shrimp for just $11.99! choose any two of five savory shrimp selections, like mango jalapeÑo shrimp and parmes

. >> the commitments we make to each other through medicare, medicaid and social security, these things do not sap our initiative. they strengthen us. they do not make us a nation of takers. they free us to take the risks that make this country great. we will respond to the threat of climate change, knowing that the failure to do so would betray our children and future generations. we, the people, still believe enduring security and lasting peace do not require perpetual war. and we must be a source of hope to the poor, the sick, the marginalized. the victims of prejudice. our journey is not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law. our journey is not complete until we find a better way to welcome the striving, hopeful immigrants who still see america as a land of opportunity. our journey is not complete until all our children, from the streets of detroit to the hills of appalachia to the quiet lanes of newtown, know that they are cared for and cherished. and always safe from harm. with common effort and common purpose, with passion and dedi

at his comments on the need to preserve medicare, medicaid, and social security, and you have a good picture of where you want to take the country. how would you grade the president's speech a to f? >> i thought it was a lot better than the first speech. the crowd had a blast. it was a speech that does represent his overall view of governing. >> colby, a to f? >> strong b, not so much on the eloquence, but on laying out his agenda and what he wants to accomplish. historic in a way as well. he is the first president to use the word "gay" in an inaugural address, and i think that is where the country is heading. he laid down a marker for this when he talked abut equality. >> mark? >> establishing my grading system at the outset, i give a's second,ln, roosevelt's and kennedy paused only. i would give obama a b, a bb- plus. he was far more surefooted than had been in the past. since the member 6 he has shown a far clearer sense of what he wants to do. i think this was a communitarian address, a lot more than the individualism and we have heard in recent past. >> charles? >> i will buck t

the united states made all of these social commitments to the population, social security, medicare, medicaid, now obamacare. >> paul: well, we have. >> and we have. and they think, the conventional wisdom shall the simpson-bowles type argument is, we can't afford this, that out 25 years from now, all of our taxes will be going to pay for these things. the obama democrats believe we made these commitments and we have to find a way to pay for them. they do not want to cut the spending. and so, u.s. spending, which has been about 20% of gdp since 1969, i think, they're trying to get it up to around 24 or 25% of gdp. we keep repeating this number, but in a 15 trillion dollar economy, every percent of gdp is a tremendous amount of spending. but tax revenue, the last three years, has been down around 16% of gdp. that's a tremendous gap. and they want to raise taxes to close that gap. >> but part that have reduction, no, normally, it's about 18, 18 1/2, and it's popped up under bill clinton's presidency above 20%, if you have economic growth. the 16% is because the growth-- >> their policies are go

medicaid and medicare and down the road social security they are all suffering from the same problem too little money coming in for the money going out now or soon to go out. >> you are giving the president even too much credit there. if you read what the left is saying about the budget problem reit now what they are saying is it is a healthcare problem and they don't mean a medicare medicaid problem. they would say it is the private sector healthcare costs that are out of control and that is why we can't get any of the other spending under control. >> neil: even if you worked on healthcare tonight you would still have a lot of headache tomorrow. i can not see the guy who looks at these books i would assume more than i do because he is the president then he would quickly understand money in/money out. >> this is the reason why if you listen to you played that clip b nancy pelosi saying we will look for more tax increases this year. you have the two sides talking totally past each other. the republicans saying hell no, you just had the tax increase. this weekend people like dick durbi

the cuts we have already made it priorities other than medicare, medicaid, social security and defensepend on everything from education to public safety less as a share of our economy than it has been, has been true for a generation. and that's not a recipe for growth. so we've got to do more both to stablize our finances over the medium and long term but also spur more growth in the short term. now i've said i'm open to making modest adjustments to programs like medicare to protect them for future generations. i have also said that we need more revenue, through tax reform, by closing loopholes in our tax code for the wealthiest americans. if we combine a balanced package of savings from spending on health care and revenues from closing loopholes, we can solve the deficit issue without sacrificing our investments in things like education that are going to help us grow. turns out the american people agree with me. they listened to an entire year's debate over this issue and they made a clear decision about the approach they prefer. they don't think it is fair, for example, to ask a seni

if he follows through and protects medicare, social security and medicaid fantastic.he election, and he's repeating it again. but look at the reaction. in the middle of that speech he's negotiating with the republicans on possibly reducing medicare medicaid and possibly reducing social security. i'll judge him by his actions not on his words, even though they were great today. final one classic president obama, and what he emphasizeed throughout the campaign, for better or for worse, i like the words. let's see if he follows through on action. here he is again. >> obama: fidelity to our found founding principles requires new responses to our new challenges, preserveing individual freedom ultimately requires collective action. now more than ever we must do these things together as one nation, one people. my fellow americans we are made for this moment, and we will see so long as we seize it together. >> cenk: this moment, i hope so. i hope we can seize it together. the republicans, of course, have not always been willing to work together. that's not how president obama

we want to make sure social security and medicare and medicaid benefits are preserved. crats are successful in doing that by taxing corporations more as opposed to tax and high income individuals more, we would be fine with that. will social security and medicare and medicaid benefits be cut and we say no. host: if they are cut, what does your group do? there would be somewhat of a nuclear war on the left. it's probably going to factor the party for the next two years. to the detriment of this president. we probably will start right away recruiting challengers for the next elections. local union leaders, local party officials, and activists. we would happily send out an e- mail in the district to those who support medicare and social security and medicaid cuts. host: have you ever want that at some members of congress? guest: we have launched it publicly in the more generic sense, saying this is a warning. we want to be transparent. we don't learn from this nuclear war. for someone like me woke up every day in 2008 and thought, what can i do today to get barack obama ele