see that it's government there capping spending on everything like i said except for medicare medicaid social security. veterans troops and of course the huge elephant in the room defense so you can say your capping spending but then with all those exceptions what's left with but discussing medicaid medicare and social security they are looking to make it more accountable that is bringing more transparency which has been a big problem we don't want to be i don't want us rama's to make things more accountable more transparent he has and i mean you have and he has he got almost any details as to how they're going to do that well there are a few details there are there is actual attendant legislation that's coming along with some of these items i mean. for instance i believe it's the seventy two hours legislation needs to be posted online you know for all of our promises obamacare i'm like that for days right ahead of time to when that didn't happen and if that's not a contract that they didn't sign i just don't believe it's going to happen but i mean obama made a campaign promise and he didn't wind up d

at $202 trillion if you include the non-budgetary items like unfunded liabilities, medicare, medicaid, social securityfense in the budget. fannie and freddie. $202 trillion. can't get your way out of that box. all right. some of the other things in the news today. been six months. americans still have no idea what is in the health bill. nancy pelosi says once it's passed we'll find out. oh, boy, we are finding out. the bill is now about to destroy private insurance companies making it more difficult for children to get health insurance. now, this is something that i told you over a year ago was coming. how did i know that? i'm not a prophet or eseer. i'm a guy that listens to what they say and i don't dismiss because it sounds crazy. that's what they're counting on. they are counting on you going well, no, nobody would do that. yes, they would and they are. that's how a lot of the stuff that we have talked about the last three nights, you knew 15 months ago, because i told you it would happen. now it is. we looked at it again. this is what your friends are doing. your friends are looking at it from th

is that 70% of our operating budget is a non- defense discretionary funding. 65% is medicare-medicaid, social security, and interest on our debt. >> mr. bock, you can control the next four minutes. -- mr. buck, you can control the next four minutes. >> senator, the commercial that you have run against me, you have spent about $1 million in that commercial. the channel 4, channel 7, and channel and nine fat checks say that that commercial is misleading, it is false, and deceitful. "the dannon net -- "the denver post" this morning said that it was "misleading and fundamentally unfair." would you agree, based on independent analyses, would you agree to take that ad down? >> i will not. [applause] stand by the ad. i think that they did not know which ken buck they were fact checking. i saw that article this morning. here is what we said. >> let me follow-up, senator. you have answered the question. >> no. >> that was the question. >> you're saying everyone else is wrong and you're right. >> they are mistaken. they are mistaken. it is an honest mistake. >> everyone is mistaken but you. >> question, you men

medicare, medicaid, social security. they really wanted a blueprint.s said this is not a blueprint. this is merely an outline of where we want to go. as you already reported this morning, of course, president obama took the opportunity in his radio address to call it the same old stuff. didn't mention bush's name but said it's the same bush agenda. >> uma: liz, quickly, do you think the overall voter anger in this election year is trumping all the pledges and the promises on both sides of the aisle? >> yes. what it is, and the press has a hard time recognizing this, this is a true expression of american passion and furor. it is as american as apple pie. the left and the media just can't deal with it. >> liz trotta, as always, we thank you for your insight. >> thank you. >> uma: all right. as you at home are watching the program we want to ask the question, do you agree with the g.o.p. pledge? we put the question to you on the web page. overwhelming number of you, 85% agree with it. log on to foxnews.com to weigh in. the republican lawmakers behind the

. >> greta: is social security an entitlement program? >> social security, medicare, medicaid are the big entitlement programs. >> greta: people pay into social security they don't see it as an entitlement program. >> technically speaking these are entitlement programs. you turn 65, you get the benefit. >> greta: if someone has been paying in for a number of years is that person going to get cut? >> i propose don't cut programs for people in and near retirement. for those of us under 54, these programs are going bankrupt. the current social security proposes a 22% cut down the road for everybody. what i have been proposing, don't cut these benefits for people who are already retired, close to retired. put them on a path to solvency for the future. if we don't get serious about this budget problem, everything is going to get cut. we are going to have greek-like austerity. big tax increases that slows the economy. let's prevent that unfortunately, that's the path that the president has put us on. that's the path that nancy pelosi has put us on. they didn't even do a budget this

and it makes medicare and medicaid and social security permanently solvent accordinging to the medicare and medicaid trustees in the congressional budget office. what i am saying is we can't have entitlement designed like they are now. i would say to wealthy people, younger ones 54 and below. we are to the going to sub si died you as much as everybody else. we are going to target our resources in this country to those who fwheed it most. the poor and the sick. the middle class will have a system where the money flows through them, not from the government, so that they have choice and competition and options to organize the retirement, and health benefits that they see fit built on top of a social safety net system that is guaranteed so nobody slips through the cracks in society. if you do a system like that, you can then have your debt paid off, your level of government down, to where it's historically been so that our tax rates and taxes can be competitive in the global economy. here's a the problem, charlie. i'm 40 years ol. my wife and jen and i have three kids, 5, 7, 8 years old. we

it's medicare, medicaid, social security.% in 2050, that's a structural challenge. that's where america needs a solution. we don't need scapegoats, don't need to blame that on the president. it's not his fault. in fact, he's just been president for two years. this thing's been decades in coming. i've got enemies, al qaeda, taliban, they're not the democrats, they're my country men. they're often wrong, but we can have a debate about how to get that done. we happen to believe as conservatives it's free enterprise that's going to fix that and reliance on family. >> bob inglis, thanks for joining us. >> good to be here. >>> we're talking about scattered storms that could pop up in the midwest. unseasonably warm temperatures in the south. rob marciano is also busy tracking lisa in the atlantic and a tropical wave in the eastern caribbean. we'll get a check on the weather for when we come back. 45 minutes past the hour. at northern trust, we understand... that while you may come from the same family... you know, son, you should ta

why not make a single proposal to cut social security, medicare or medicaid. >> this was what happens here in washington. a short time after, i know, i have done this. i continue to do this in a more systematic way and had this conversation first. let's not get to the potential solutions. let's make sure that americans understand how big the problem is. then we can begin to talk about possible solutions and then work ourselves into those solutions that are doable. >> chris: congressman mccarthy, speaker pelosi says the house may or may not vote this week before they go on adjournment on taxes. i know that is one of your big issues. why? >> i think she is afraid. she has 37 democrats in her own party that say they want to extend. they agree with republicans in the principle that you shouldn't raise taxes in a recession and you could lose 1.2 million jobs in the future to be able to grow. the democrats failed to lead on this. they will want to leave the house without dealing with it. that uncertainty itself is keeping capital on the sidelines and stopping jobs from being created in amer

what they call discretionary spending which is everything the government does except medicare, social security and medicaid, which happen -- >> and not defense. >> and not defense and not homeland skiretscurte and the other thing was freeze tax rates. gwen: there was another revealing moment this week. president obama in cleveland. >> people are frustrated and they're angry and they're anxious about the future. i understand that. i also understand that in the political campaign, the easiest thing for the other side to do is to ride this fear and anger all the way to election day. that's what's happening right now. >> yes. gwen: election day. you were talking about that. purple states are leaning red and blue states are leaning purple. so the president is heading out -- heading out on the campaign trail to states where house seats, senate seat, governor steets are sliding away from the democrats. you were in wisconsin this week. >> i was in wisconsin. gwen: what did you think? >> and the president was in wisconsin. the president has been in wisconsin quite a bit lately. he's been there three times in the la

that includes medicaid, medicare, and social security. are reforming them and making them more efficient, you can affect the spending picture in the medium and long term for the country. i don't believe the u.s. can or should raise taxes. i think our country is officially taxed. we don't hava tax problem, we have a spending problem. >> was forced to be bush wrong in fighting two wars and not paying for it -- was george w. bush wrong? >> president bush has said that is what we had the deficit. >> that is part of the reason we had the deficits, but it does not explain the bulk of the deficit. one example, there was a report the other vets said both wars from the date of inception have not yet cost one trillion dollars. the total long-term structural obligations of the united states federal government, at least 70 trillion dollars. many experts believe it is closer to $100 trillion. to look at that and say the war's costs the bulk of the problem really is not looking a the full picture picks are there any circumstances in which you would rai

, small government conservative, cut taxes, cut government, questioning social security, social programs and medicare and medicaid. that's really not pennsylvania, which likes its government for the most part. what joe sestak is doing to close the race there is less important than the fact that people are focusing on toomey who is toomey, exactly? what is he saying about social security? what is he saying about roads? what is he saying about things, frankly the thing that pennsylvanians like? because it's a big, industrial, generally moderate state. i think that's what's happening in place after place, the focus on the republican conservatives is what's bringing the democrats back. >> roger we'll have jack conway from kentucky in a minute. the same thing is happening there, the questions about the views toward drug legality on behalf of rand paul, supporters with racist backgrounds giving him money, those questions are getting asked right now in the closing stretch. >> and howard's point is a good one. every year we say all politics is local until we get to the mid terms and say, no, it's national it's about whet

operating budget is a non- defense discretionary funding. 18% is defense spending. 65% is medicare-medicaid, social security, and interest on our debt. we need to have a serious conversation -- >> mr. buck, you can control the next four minutes. >> senator, the commercial that you have run against me, you have spent about $1 million in that commercial. the channel 4, channel 7, and channel and nine fat checks say that that commercial is misleading, it is false, and deceitful. "the denver post" this morning said that it was "misleading and fundamentally unfair." one part of the ad is a complete falsehood. my question to you is, based on independent analysis, would you agree, based on independent analyses, would you agree to take that ad down? >> i will not. [applause] i stand by the ad. i think that they did not know which ken buck they were fact checking. i saw that article this morning. here is what we said. department of education, question, this was that burlington college -- >> let me follow-up, senator. you have answered the question. >> no. >> that was the question. >> you're saying everyone else is w

social security is broke. it's -- we're not going to be able to pay for social security, let alone medicaid, medicare and everythinge in ten years. that is a problem. but we're arguing over that. so we're arguing over the problems. and the opinions. this is what we've always argued over. the opinions or conclusions or theories. how do you solve the problem? but now we are arguing over not only the opinion, but the problem and the facts. let me show you how webster defines "fact." it's really quite easy. it is, "the quality of being actual. actuality. something that has actual existence. an actual occurrence." whoa! pretty hard to figure that one out. an example of a fact would be socialists and communists, revolutionaries are lining up to support the one nation working together rally. all right. look at their website. four days to go. we start to see all of the people that are sponsoring. and here you see on the site, on the website, communist party usa. it's not a shadowy conspiracy. it's on their website! it's also on the communist party usa website. show that to me. communist party. there it is. one nation. okay

why not make a single proposal to cut social security, medicare, medicaid? what happens here in washington. when you start down that path, you just invite all kinds of problems. i know. i've been there. i think we need to do this in a more systemic way and have this conversation first. let's not get to the potential solutions. >> will the house hold a vote this week before you adjourn for a month of campaigning, a vote this week on whether or not to extend the bush tax cuts? >> i doubt that we will. >> and there's your party strategies for this year's elections in a nutshell. republicans promising that they're not really ready to talk about, you know, policy and stuff. solutions. it's very complicated. democrats offered the softest of all political targets, nevertheless are refusing to campaign against republicans. tada. joining us now is my friend lawrence o'donnell, his show premieres right after this show tonight at 10:00 eastern. thanks for your time. >> good to be here. >> i know -- >> i thought i would drop by. >> mog to do. what did joe biden -- i kno

he goes on to read about medicare, medicaid, and social security saying these programs will account for more than half of spending in 2015. even if you reform social security, which we should. any plausible plan would phase and benefit changes to avoid harming current beneficiaries and would generate little savings over the next five years. of the health reform act included substantial savings in medicare and medicaid. more extensive comments this morning from peter orzag from the op-ed page of "the new york times." democrats line from florida. good morning. andrew, turn the volume down and please go ahead, please. caller: i believe the democrats does better in the economy. simply because republicans believe you can borrow your way out of these troubles and not pay back and that is what got us into the deficit in the first place. the democrats at least are trying to pay for what they are doing. the second thing. i heard somebody talking about ms. palin. any person who says the n-word ok to use it not a person you can trust. host: we will go on the republican line from houston, texas. e.

at the same time, it pretends to protect social security, medicare and medicaid. there is no detailed plan to reduce the deficit. the revolutionary part of the pledge is that it drew from the gop's listening post, the website, america speaking out, which i think is the name of this network before we chose msnbc. where real americans got to vote on their favorite stuff. >> it's about listening to the american people. as we listen to the american people, these are the things they told us. >> oddly, america's second-most favorite thing was not included in the pledge. yesterday think progress asked republican congressman brady of the house ways and means committee -- >> the second-highest idea voted up by popular vote was to end tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. do you expect something like that to be included with the new contract that's unveiled tomorrow? >> you know, i haven't -- can you tell me what that tax provision is? >> under further questioning, the congressman said that would not be in the pledge. indeed, it is not in the pledge. >> we are n

the plan unveiled does not tackle the biggest spending problems of all, social security, medicare and medicaidr john boehner say those details will come later. democrats, including congressman chris van holland says the pledge is old news and says that republicans put a new front page on it, but otherwise, it's a xeroxed copy. and house majority leader, steny hoyer calls it more spin than specifics and he makes reference to the up and coming young republicans called the why you think guns and congressman eric cantor, kevin mccarthy and paul ryan. the american public heard from the young guns, it turned out to be a pop gun, spin, not substance, in the specifics. it turned out to be a return to the failed bush policies. >> republicans are expected to make significant gains in the november election, but whether they can actually regain control of the house remains to be seen. julie. >> steve, thank you. well, new hope for 33 chilean miners who spent nearly two months trapped deep underground, the first of three rescue capsules, the devices specifically engineered to left the miners steve harrigan

he goes on to read about medicare, medicaid, and social security saying these programs will account for more than half of spending in 2015. even if you reform social security, which we should. any plausible plan would phase and benefit changes to avoid harming current beneficiaries and would generate little savings over the next five years. of the health reform act included substantial savings in medicare and medicaid. more extensive comments this morning from peter orzag from the op-ed page of "the new york times." democrats line from florida. good morning. andrew, turn the volume down and please go ahead, please. caller: i believe the democrats does better in the economy. simply because republicans believe you can borrow your way out of these troubles and not pay back and that is what got us into the deficit in the first place. the democrats at least are trying to pay for what they are doing. the second thing. i heard somebody talking about ms. palin. any person who says the n-word ok to use it not a person you can trust. host: we will go on the republican line from houston, texas. e.

energy independents, drilling, social security, medicaid, medicare you are willing to deal with it.icians don't want to touch it that will mean they take away some entitlements. taxes, immigration, education, foreign policy seems that is the winning agent the country understands after barack obama that conservative values will work. why won't more republicans take on the tougher issues? >> as my good friend paul ryan says, no one wants to walk through the fire. meaning no one wants to touch these entitlements, take on the big issues, because it is hard to go out once people have been promised something an entitlement, it is tough to take it away. >> sean: let me tell you something. if they raise the age of social security. if they means test social security, after i'm at the end of the baby boom generation. and they take away my retirement, to me, that would be stealing my money. is that one of the answers? >> no, the reality is, if we act now, the sooner we act the better off we are. in the bill we put forward it is to save social security not end it. despite the rhetoric you heard

permanently extending the bush tax cuts, but there's no plan for controlling the cost of social security, medicare, and medicaidntion of lawmakers' spending on pet projects. the ear mugs. will the pledge help propel the gop to an election victory in november? joining us, two members of congress, democrat debbie lahser mitchell of florida, republican paul ryan of wisconsin. thanks very much to both of you for coming in. let me start with you, congressman ryan. this pledge to america, you were obviously deeply involved in putting it all together, but lay the very sharp negative reaction from a prominent conservative eric erickson. he is a cnn contributor from red state.com. he says this. it is a series of compromises and milk toast rhetorical flourishes in search of unanimity among house republicans because the house gop does not have the fortitude to lead boldly in opposition of barack obama. go ahead and respond to eric erickson who says these are just words, but you don't deliver substance. >> okay. so i guess i'll put him down as a critic. >> yes. >> first of all, wolfe, we think it's important that we don't

if you fight a fight about maintaining social security, medicare and medicaid, also talk about expandingh care, and then add on a jobs program that's serious, don't be cautious about talking infrastructure. and also, don't be cautious about saying that trade policy has to change. you do that that's a winning platform. >> okay. john nichols, i've got switch gears on you a little bit, but it does parallel what vice president biden is talking about. you're the washington correspondent of "the nation," your backyard is wisconsin. >> uh-huh. >> what's happening with russ feingold, in your opinion is he really behind by double digits, and what do you think that he's got do to turn around, after listening to what the vice president says? >> look, i've done a cover story for "the nation" on this, this week and spent a lot of time out on the ground talking to people. there's no way that he's down by double digits, but he is taking an incredible battering. his opponent is very, very wealthy. and is spending, expected to spend roughly $15 million in attack ads. additionally, there's a lot of out-of

chapter four, social security, medicare and medicaid, the big three, racking up roughly 67 trillion dollars unfunded liabilities. you would adopt your colleague paul ryan's road map where a portion of somebody's social security taxes would be put in personalized investment accounts for those under the age of 55. isn't that similar to the privatization plan that really didn't gain much traction when president bush proposed it? >> i get a kick out of folks that attack my friend paul ryan and me and others that support our plans to save social security and save our nation's health care system. we're the only ones a plan that save it. if we keep going on the path, no one is going to have social security. what we do is put a plan out there in writing, if you don't like it, then we can fix it, but if you listen to all the other politicians out there that demagogue paul ryan and myself, they don't even have a plan. they are going to destroy social security and we're trying to save it. >> gregg: let me talk specifically about your health care plan because you would repeal the new law just passed an

it has happened with medicare and medicaid and social security. we could not unto them.aybe we could block them during times of crises, but we cannot undo them. there is a divide between the establishment of the republican party and the insurgency in the republican party. republican party. there is and metaphorical epicenter of lobbyists here in town. the current republican party leadership is very close with the lobbyists. the lobbyists. you have bob dole, a lobbyist, bill fritz. two of the recent majority leaders are lobbyists. and looks like there is a connection. then you have these guys coming in -- paul almost got no money when he was running and the primary. these guys are running against the establishment. that tiff represents a divide in the party. that is my question, when these republicans come, will they stay the pitchfork-waving supporters? it is what the polls show. he is pulling right now. if the polls show he has a good chance of winning, he will do it. if not, i don't know what he will do. that is part of the problem. these people, they have been lifetim

host: how do you get to real budget cuts if we are not talking about medicare and medicaid and social security? what percentage of the guest: there is no question that we have to find a way. it is going to be difficult to do. there are good ideas out there on social security. medicare is not getting the attention that it deserves. on the other programs, we should not avoid identifying savings in any program in america. overtime it adds up. when you duplicate that, the more savings it is. host: saying that in doing that -- the republicans were in control from 1994 until 2006. what do you tell the voters today if you want to have the republicans in the majority? guest: if you are looking for a change in the course of direction of this country, republicans have offered that. getting spending ought -- under control. reforming congress so that these bills have time to be read in the public can examine them. we want to make sure they have a constitutional basis. a lot of what we are proposing are mistakes we made as a party the last time we had the privilege. the republicans spent too much. week low

social security, medicare and medicaid. and a lot of the discretion that i have is somewhat limited on some of these programs. part of the reason, for example, that health care reform was so important is because the biggest driver of our long-term deficits is medicare. if our economy is growing at 2%, 3% or 4% but health care costs are going up 6%, 7% or 8%, then the budget will blow up no matter how many cuts i make in other programs. >> so everybody in this room needs to buckle up and be prepared for lower social security benefits and lower medicare benefits in the future? >> what we have to do is make sure that we take in -- the amount of money that we're taking in and the amount of money going out matches up. and all of us have to have a conversation. if we think it's important, for example, to treat our veterans fairly after they've served us and they come back with posttraumatic stress disorder -- and obviously everybody here does -- well, that costs money. if we think it's important for us to invest in research and d

. >> social security or medicare, medicaid, wouldn't be the defense. >> let me give you an example of something we're doing already. senate republicans offered to freeze the top line on next year's appropriations at essentially what we spent this year. the difference between that and what the president asked for over a 10-year period would be $300 billion. with regard to the entitlements, the president has appointed a deficit reduction commission. i've appointed three members to it. john boehner has appointed three members to it. they're going to report in december and make a recommendation about what we might do about our long-term unfunded liabilities. we'll wait and see what they recommend, but hopefully it will be something that would be supported on a bipartisan basis. >> so all of this comes into the pledge for america, which was announced this week, a platform for future governing by the republicans. now, many people say that it's simply more of the same. you've obviously heard a lot of that over the last couple of days, it's basically nothing new. and whether they're left, rig