it is a supplement to medicare pp o. or prepared provider organization with the prescription drug plan. just to be clear this is our full national net, work this is not limited to california and it's a coordination plan with medicare so medicare will pay primary and the supplement to medicare ppo plan will pay the portion that medicare does not pay up to the benefit level we provided >> will you stop there for a moment and when you say full national network what does that mean? >> blue shield has a statewide ppo network with 70,000 physicians from san diego county to the far reaches of northern california and central valley that full network would be available to all members enrolled in this plan should you choose it. in addition it would be available nationally blue shield is part of the blue shield cross and blue shield association we have access to all of the blue shield blue cross network so it's a truly a pochlt network >> that is not the case with the current plan we have? >> it is not. >> thank you. >> how large is

>> to the medicare pp o.? yes. again it's ape ls and oranges it's one large ppo network. >> please continue. that was the highlight of the advantages and disadvantages of both plans, in the appendix we provided a sample of the id cards making the point that general medicare is primary they would have to show their medicare id card as well as blue shield card and they would following that particular slide have a separate prescription drug card so it is different from a service experience level today different id cards it's not a delegated model the payment isn't today like it is today the $25 koe payment at the point of service they will get a pill this is not a bill from blue shield so that is different today. >> also on page one of this here in-network services under out-of-pocket maximum the new in network would be 6005 and the new one is 2,000. that is quite a jump. >> yes it is the jump. >> i thought it would be the opposite for blue shield 65 +. that's a huge jump. >> yes. >> >> $4,000 >> with work with our pr