so miss meeker also claims that america's enormous dent, deficit, it's more like a time bomb tickingnd ticking away and that could eventually derail our best and brightest innovations. do you agree with that? >> i do. i'll give you a simple analogy. apple started in a garage. okay? and what's happened though is we don't hear those stories anymore. the entrepreneurial spirit has been lost. i'll tell you, technology is actually still just in a bigger garage. it's just been opened. the door really hasn't been opened and allowed to go the 100 miles an hour. think about it in terms of what's held it back. what does it need to really grow? i'll be simple. it needs financing, it needs lending. it needs banks. where am i going with this? the banks can't. tarp set them back. overregulation really is setting them back. and that industry for us, 'cause it's not just manufacturing won't be a catalyst, it's technology. >> arthel: and miss meeker, to continue, she said in order to fix the debt problem, the u.s. would need to take radical steps. she's saying such as cutting medicare benefits by 53%