. >> meg jacobs, it's really a pleasure to get a chance to talk to you here at the carter center. i -- and also welcome the audience that's come out tonight to listen to our conversation. meg jacobs is the author of "panic at the pump: the energy crisis and the transformation of american politics in the 1970s." meg is a, teaches history and public affairs at princeton. you've written -- this is your third or fourth book? >> something like that. >> something like that? you wrote a book i was interested in because we're going to be talking about conservatives, liberals, but one of them is -- you were the co-author of account gives -- "conservatives in power: the reagan years, 1981-1989." okay, interesting. >> okay. >> we're going to talk a bit about conservative politics and liberal politics, for that matter, too tonight. let's start with this, if we can. >> okay. >> and you correct me. you have a thesis for this book, and i'll let you describe it, obviously. but, essentially, what you argue in this book is that the two energy crises of the '70s -- '73, '79 -- >> yeah. >> -- essenti