let me go back to meg strickler and many people have commented on this seven women and five men and whether somehow that would play a role in this verdict, because you have got more women on this jury than men. what are you saying? >> i do think that women are more administratively oriented and detail-oriented and in this case, there are a lot of details missing so it helps the defense that there is a lot of women on there, and the negative for defense is that women are mothers and some of them have children, and when ever you have a child, and you see a 2-year-old, you think, oh, my gosh, how could you ever mistreat a 2-year-old, they can barely talk and just out of diapers and they are so precious, how can you hurt them? so it goes both ways. detail oriented which helps the defense, but i think that they are more for the prosecution, and again, they are death-qualified so that the whole jury is more prosecutorially oriented in this case. we will see in a few minutes. >> yes. let me bring back savannah guthrie, and what are you thinking is the most compelling and strongest thing we have he

and in orlando, meg strickler. carl, let me start with you. marcia clark came out this morning on the prosecution side of the o.j. case and said this verdict is far more shocking. as somebody who worked on the o.j. case, where do you stand on the comparisons? >> well, i understand the verdict. but it probably was based on three reasons. the foundation of any murder case is typically finding a cause of death and a manner of death. and here there was no real hard evidence to prove those two points which made it very difficult for the second point and that was the decision of the prosecution to charge this as a first-degree murder case, a death penalty case. so the jurors had to be comfortable about their decision, given this was the most serious sanction that could be imposed. >> were you shocked by this verdict? were you shocked by it? >> oh, i was surprised like much of america. but i wasn't there, like the jury was, to listen to all the questions and all the answers and to examine all the evidence. so it's hard for me to second-guess what the

. >>> we have jonathan spillborg and meg strickler and let's talk about the decision to do almost two hours total of rebuttal this morning, and you were with me all day yesterday jonah, and you and your panel predicted something short and emotional and to the point, and it was not brief. what did you any? >> well, i think that the prosecution did something that they weren't able to pull off in the trial. they had to rebut this accident theory, and they did a really good job of doing that on closing argument. don't know how appropriate it was, but i think that it is going to be effective, because that is the crux, and the accident is the crux of the defense case, and they undermined it today. >> susan, a tacit admission that the defense had made some strides in suggesting that george anthony and casey anthony were in fact covering up an accidental drowning. >> i think they had to rebut what the defense put forward, but the drane-burdick statement was brilliant. >> let's listen in, because jose baez is asking for a mistrial which is something that typically happens. >> and asking for th

they listened to the evidence >> meg strickler, thank you. >>> up next, we'll get back to politics andppened when mitt romney and jon huntsman crossed path on the fourth of july parade in new hampshire. can you stand the excitement? that's next on the sideshow. you're watching "hardball" on msnbc. 8gg@ú >>> back to "hardball" and now to the "sideshow" return of the know nothings. foreign policy experience. who needs it? here ' 2012 hopeful herman cain, never held elective office, yet on the "today" show show. >> and i'm already talking to national security people. former intelligence people. talking to former generals and people in the military, to begin to develop ideas about how i would deal with those crises that we're in. you don't need foreign policy experience to know who your friends are and who your enemies are and you don't need foreign policy experience to know that you don't tell your enemy what your next move is. >> what you don't know won't hurt you, we're getting what i don't know won't hurt you. it's preposterous, but maybe in this environment, mildly sellable. remember,

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