it is all of the megadata that is keeping us safer. i agree about civil liberties. >> let me go back to rich. return on investment, there a proof that it is safer? >> i give the benefit to the doubt to the people in the trenches looking at terrorist threats that are coming through. here is another factor, the u.s. is a letiggous society. no.for initiating lawsuit an companies like google has tens of biions onhe balance. it is a magnet for frivolous lawsuits if people sue google. >> i think that is right. but look, we have to be carel here. sabrina said it is no proof it did good. can you say that if you want to disbelieve what the nsa is saying. i am not teing you you are wrong calling then liars but you know what, mbe it has ved. >> steve, let me ask you this though. if a guy like snowden can get access to a lot of sensitive information, isn't that a problem? >> we have fraud in election and so get rid of election. you deal with specific problems and abuse asasks that's what e congressional hearings are for and find out if this thing

testify on something, and they are just not -- there's nothing that's necessary about -- you call it megadata, the idea that you have to go through all this stuff to find something you should have intelligence on a particular person. >> dana, is it silly if you look at the plots they claim they foiled. >> claimed is the word. >> exactly, i agree. >> i don't understand -- >> the number is 50. do you believe they have foiled these plots? >> yes. >> you look at the plots they foiled, there's no greeks on there, no italians, no swedes, and investors daily said they're not monitoring mosques. what are we doing with all of the data if we don't go after the right people. >> i believe general alexander. i think on the advisory board piece, there's one that exists, it is called united states congress. all the members of congress that didn't go to the briefing the other day because they were too busy, not one that went into the briefing has come out, said holy cow, your fourth amendment rights have been totally -- that's not happened by the people that have been informed about it. i believe -- i have n

whether megadata is the violation that it is. >> the connections of phone number to another phone numbers happening since 9/11 anyway. >> stephanie: yeah that's what bill maher said. we'll get that sound clip if we can. fifty-eight minutes after the hour. right back with rolonda watts and more as we continue on the "stephanie miller show." ♪ ♪ >> stephanie: all right. hour number three, current tv land, jacki schechner? >> yes. >> stephanie: good morning. >> good morning. >> stephanie: we were talking about the bankers and such with charlie pierce, and why does this never happen to us. banker nods off on a keyboard and accidentally makes customer a millionaire. >> the closest i get is my cat stepping on the keyboard making that tweet sound. >> stephanie: a court in germany was asked to rule on a case of a banker who reportedly fell asleep on a keyboard and transferred millions to one lucky customer. when we screw up -- i'm just saying the bank screwed up. so what. >> so what is the ruling? >> stephanie: he had to give the money back. little guy never wins. here she is jacki schechner. >>

interpretation of the patriot act, if we allow the government to have the right to collect even the megadata, as they call it, on each and every one of us , that is a violation of the spirit of our constitution and i would submit you to a violation of the constitution itself. i for one cherish our liberties and in that balancing act that every government must face between security and liberty, i say we side on liberty. because we can never make society completely safe. the only way a government can guarantee you complete safety, ladies and gentlemen, is if they assign each and every one of us a padded room to live in. we are only allowed out in the sun a certain amount of times so that we don't end up getting skin cancer. they determine what we eat, they determine what we breathe, they determine what we do. that is not a society that i choose to live in. nor one which i will stand idly by and allow it slowly to creep in on us. and while i don't think anybody in the administration would want to go that far, anyone who argues that we must have all of this information in order to be secure forg