you know, my colleague megan murray is doing a trial looking at bcg vaccine, which is a tb vaccine thatlion kids every year. it kind of boosts your immune system and protects you from lung disease and other things. it could be that a nonspecific vaccine might help. to jump back to the uv light for a second, my colleague who's been doing this for 40 years has actually mapped out what would be needed for a walmart or a home depot or a target, and it's very, very doable to make some of these places safer. >> irwin, what's your take on it? >> well, my take is unfortunately there's a lot of unknowns here including let's start with the issue of the antibodies, and you know, the igg and the igm, two different types of antibodies. it's not yet certain that we're going to have efficient testing that will tell you that, yes, you have antibodies but the specific antibodies needed to fight the coronavirus. there's work that needed to be done. the other thing is with uv lighting and other things there's still some question at least in my mind because a big study came out of china a couple of days ag

you for coming and i couldn't think of to better people to talk about this with and charles murray and megan mcardle so let's have a conversation. [applause] >> megan, i'll let you go first i have so much i want to say. not just because my husband is in the acknowledgments. full disclosure, i did not give this book for publication, withhold this for me so i can penalize on but i will read my favorite passage from the book because i think this sums up sort of both the inside and the challenge. of what tim points out. because what the death of diners where i saw this in my mother's hometown. a dunkin' donuts opens up and there's a drive-through and my grandmother got up at 5:30 every morning for decades and went to the diner to gethis toast and eggs, that place is slowly dying off . and he says and tim says losing a diner means losing a meeting place.over the years this would weaken the connections between neighbors and you may say there's nothing keeping neighbors from getting together anyway after they get their breakfast and coffee . nowthey can meet at a park or wherever they want because

all for coming and i couldn't think of to better people to talk about this with than charles murray and megan mcardle live written on these themes a lot. so thank you, guys and let's have a conversation. [applause] [applause] >> maginn, i'll let you go first. >> i have so much on what to say but this book which i loved, not just because my husband is thanked in the acknowledgments. full disclosure, i did not see this book before publication. he withhold it from me so i could penalize on it. i will read my favorite passage from the book because i think this really sums up both the insight in the challenge of what tim points out. talk about the death of diners. i saw this in my mother's home town. the dunkin' donuts opens up there's a drive to and as fast as a grandfather who got up at 5:30 a.m. for decades and decades and went to the diner to get his toast and his eggs, that place is slowly dying off. he says, tim says losing the diner means losing and meeting place. over the years this would weaken the connection between neighbors. you may say there's nothing keeping davis and getting togethe

a few words and then he will be followed with a panel discussion with charles murray known to everybody here and then megan mcardie known as "washington post" columnist with a lot to say on this issue as well. tim is a visiting fellow here at aei an and is also the commentay editor at the washington examiner where he's been a columnist for a while. his previous books are what many of you probably know him for. the big ripoff and that is where he carved out a name for himse himself. it's a deep dive and it's easy for me to say that and you should go out and pick up a copy up on the way out in the hallway. so, he will give us a few remarks followed by this discussion and then we will allow time for engagement with you in the question and answer appeared tanswerappeared to fole here is that you are brief and your question is in the form of a question so without further ado i would like to welcome tim to please come up and give us your thoughts. [applause] >> thank you, ryan and everybody for coming. my name is timothy carney, visiting fellow and also full-time journalist so what i did is try to find out new t