katie: joining us now, megan robson of bnp paribas out and cities richard so got on set. want to start with you richard. let's talk about the cash-strapped, cash is obviously the place to be for well over a year. is it time to get out? >> i think there are some real attractive yield opportunities out there in credit. it is hard to pick the right time to move into those. i would say that this is not a bad time to move into whether, depending on your risk appetite if you want to stay with something more high-quality or lesser quality, you gain a distant station --gain a decent return today. if we believe rates are going to peek and start to slow down it would be a good time to move in and take advantage of that. it is impossible, i wish i could pick, figure out the exact right time. if i could i probably would not be sitting here, i would be on a beach somewhere. it feels like an attractive time to move into credit in one way, shape or form. katie: i hear timing in the market is tricky. what is your risk appetite? >> from our side, we are positioning for decompression. we t